Forcing a General Election

rancheros

I want to know, what is The legal way if any for the public to call a general election before the goverment does,

AngelofFire

As far as i know, only the president can dissolve Dail Eireann. The president is the head of the people, so perhaps it would be possible by petitioning her, nontheless it would still be at her discretion.

solice

AngelofFire wrote:

As far as i know, only the president can dissolve Dail Eireann. The president is the head of the people, so perhaps it would be possible by petitioning her, nontheless it would still be at her discretion.

She is a leader without a mandate, no election no mandate just laziness

Zombrex

rancheros wrote:

I want to know, what is The legal way if any for the public to call a general election before the goverment does,

AFAIK anyone in the Dail can call for a no confidence vote on the government, not just member of the government, so while you can't do it directly, your TD can do it on your behalf, he doesn't have to be in government. Of course the government then has to lose the vote of no confidence for a general election to be called.

rancheros

so if you got enough people in your constiuency to pertition a TD on their behalf, he could call for a vote of no confidence??

Stabshauptmann

tbh IMO I think the democratic process would be better served if the government didnt have the say on when a general election would be called. They'd be forced to be on their best behaviour all the time and none of the cheap tricks they tried last time.

SkepticOne

A confidence vote would have to be called soon, before those SSIAs start maturing...

Victor

rancheros wrote:

so if you got enough people in your constiuency to pertition a TD on their behalf, he could call for a vote of no confidence??

But do you still expect the turkeys (:D) to vote for Christmas?

the_syco

rancheros wrote:

I want to know, what is The legal way if any for the public to call a general election before the goverment does,

First you need
SOMEONE TO STAND AGAINST HER!!!eleven
Seriously. There was no real competition last time. If you want her to loose, its helpful having someone to lose to...!

[Jackass]

The coalition has got it's act together now....but Irish people still fall into 2 catagories: The corupt rich middle class who gain from a FF governmet...and the other people who are so incredibly stupid they'll complain about FF durig their whole time in government, fall for their spin and BS at election time...then spend the next few years complaing about them all over again....democracy dosen't work...people are idiots!

Lets over throw the government ourselves!!

Who's with me commrads?

President4Life

AngelofFire wrote:

As far as i know, only the president can dissolve Dail Eireann. The president is the head of the people, so perhaps it would be possible by petitioning her, nontheless it would still be at her discretion.

This power is not normally discretionary. She must dissolve the Dail to call an election if "advised" to do so by the sitting Taoiseach, unless the Taoiseach has lost their majority in the Dail. But she cannot use the dissolution power unless "advised" to by the Taoiseach.

netwhizkid

I'd say there could be some way to impeach them. They have broken the Irish constitution several times since coming into office. I have the distinct feeling that many of our Traitor Fianna Fail and PDs TDs will be regular visitors to the tribunals in the next decade McCraken XVI :rolleyes: . They have huge problems created and despite our massive economic growth and wealth, which wasn't down to them, We just got rich at a time of unprecedented global economic growth, plus were the last rock between Europe and Yank land so obviously we were a obvious choice for foreign investment. Seriously though we are no happier as a nation than in the bleak days of the 80's and early 90's. IMO we were actually better off then, we lived happily and did fcuk all, now we are a nation of unequals the most unequal in the world. We burst our backsides off every day and yet most people are struggling to pay off that credit card from last Christmas.

These traitors have ruined this country and we need a proper centre-left socialist oriented government.

daveirl

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netwhizkid

daveirl wrote:

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My parents and other i have conversed with said that life was much better back then, isn't it all about quality of life ? We have a extremely unequal society and this Fianna Fail - PDs government have destroyed several sectors of Irish life. Before it was safe to walk alone at night, it isn't anymore. We are being ripped off with the highest rates of indirect taxes in the world, We get squat in return harney won't be happy until she privatises the heath system and as for the telecoms sector - stop. Privatisation and right wing politics have ruined Ireland. Wealth isn't everything you know, isn't health more important, If you don't have private health insurance here you are quite likely to die if you need important medical care. The fact we spend several hours every week coobed in our cars to travel a few miles to work is this progress ? Is it ?? as a matter of fact i feel so strongly about this that i am requesting a "Change of Government Forum" in the forums forum.

netwhizkid

netwhizkid wrote:

My parents and other i have conversed with said that life was much better back then, isn't it all about quality of life ?

With respect thats rubbish.The quality of life was so bad in the 80's right up to the early 90's that people were emigrating in droves.

We have a extremely unequal society and this Fianna Fail - PDs government have destroyed several sectors of Irish life.

While I'm not a fan, thats rubbish.

Before it was safe to walk alone at night, it isn't anymore.

It was no picnic in the 80's either I can tell you.

We are being ripped off with the highest rates of indirect taxes in the world, We get squat in return

Every time I hear that I have to ask whats your solution,where do you think the money to run the country is going to come from?

harney won't be happy until she privatises the heath system

Could you point me to the policy of any party that advocates that?

and as for the telecoms sector - stop.

Would you like to know what the telecoms sector was like in the 80's?

Privatisation and right wing politics have ruined Ireland. Wealth isn't everything you know, isn't health more important,

Sure but thats not the governments fault, thats to do with the selfish nature of the human mind, the more one has , the more one wants...

If you don't have private health insurance here you are quite likely to die if you need important medical care.

Mine costs €600 a year, and It's the best value for money €600 I spend out of my earnings.

The fact we spend several hours every week coobed in our cars to travel a few miles to work is this progress ? Is it ?? as a matter of fact i feel so strongly about this that i am requesting a "Change of Government Forum" in the forums forum.

LoL

oscarBravo

netwhizkid wrote:

They have broken the Irish constitution several times since coming into office.

How do you break a constitution?

oscarBravo

netwhizkid wrote:

My parents and other i have conversed with said that life was much better back then, isn't it all about quality of life ?

Ah, the "good old days" syndrome. It's all too easy to wear rose tinted glasses when looking back at the past. If the quality of life was so wonderful, why did my brother and thousands like him have to emigrate to find work? And for those of us who were lucky enough to have jobs back then, the income tax was utterly crippling.

netwhizkid wrote:

Before it was safe to walk alone at night, it isn't anymore.

I walk alone at night all the time.

netwhizkid wrote:

If you don't have private health insurance here you are quite likely to die if you need important medical care.

Whether or not you have private health insurance or need important medical care, you're guaranteed to die.

netwhizkid wrote:

The fact we spend several hours every week coobed in our cars to travel a few miles to work is this progress ?

I don't. I used to. Ah, the good old days...

Nuttzz

netwhizkid wrote:

These traitors have ruined this country and we need a proper centre-left socialist oriented government.

Spend, spend, spend yourself into ruin :rolleyes:

Thankfully an election cant forced from outside the political system, and that's the way it should stay, unless of course you want to see armed northern hooligans running the place...