Sickening anti-American attitudes

AARRRGH · 03-09-2005 4:37pm

Zildjian Ryan wrote:

There's no apostrophe in IQs. :rolleyes:

Thanks for that. Great way to save face.

AndyWarhol · 03-09-2005 4:38pm

Zildjian Ryan wrote:

There's no apostrophe in IQs. :rolleyes:

Oh dear, yet another debate stopper pedantic Pete. This is an internet forum for heaven's sake, it's not as if we're all writing to the Queen.

Laguna · 03-09-2005 4:38pm

Well Gerry Ryan was on the radio the other day going on about why no one seemed to be that bothered about the New Orleans situation, I feel he made a grave misassumption about the majority of people, no one gives a **** about anyone outside their immediate life. You all remember when Frank Lampard & Joh Terry were in the **** on September the 12th in a New York bar when they spouted off about how they didn't give a **** about America... The average human psyche never fails to disappoint me

Laguna · 03-09-2005 4:39pm

Zildjian Ryan wrote:

There's no apostrophe in IQs. :rolleyes:

To get really pedantic, there's no plural for the term IQ

Zildjian Ryan · 03-09-2005 4:44pm

dublindude wrote:

Thanks for that. Great way to save face.

I was just nonchalantly pointing out the humour in your statement. You were speaking of intelligence and made a fool of yourself. Suck it up, you child.

AARRRGH · 03-09-2005 4:46pm

Zildjian Ryan wrote:

I was just nonchalantly pointing out the humour in your statement. You were speaking of intelligence and made a fool of yourself. Suck it up, you child.

????

What is going on here?

You are choosing to misquote me on very sensitive topics and somehow I am the one in the wrong?

Zildjian Ryan · 03-09-2005 4:49pm

dublindude wrote:

????

What is going on here?

You are choosing to misquote me on very sensitive topics and somehow I am the one in the wrong?

I apologize.

AndyWarhol · 03-09-2005 4:53pm

Zildjian Ryan wrote:

I apologize.

Ah ha ha! Pedantic Pete catches himself out. What institute educated you MATE, that you could possibly spell apologise in such a way?

We still use the Queen's english over here.

Zildjian Ryan · 03-09-2005 5:00pm

AndyWarhol wrote:

Ah ha ha! Pedantic Pete catches himself out. What institute educated you MATE, that you could possibly spell apoligise in such a way?

We still use the Queen's english over here.

Oh man. You have no idea how big of a tool you just made of yourself right there.

Cambridge University Dictionary:

Apologize, [Show phonetics]verb
to tell someone that you are sorry for having done something that has caused them inconvenience or unhappiness:
I must apologize to Isobel for my lateness.
Trains may be subject to delay on the northern line - we apologize for any inconvenience caused.
She apologized profusely for having to leave at 3.30 p.m.

You idiot. No more derailing of the thread please.

AARRRGH · 03-09-2005 5:06pm

Zildjian Ryan wrote:

Oh man. You have no idea how big of a tool you just made of yourself right there.

No, I think you are the one making the tool of yourself. Just accept you misquoted me and we shall move on. There's no point arguing about it anymore (i.e. we're going no where.)

Amazotheamazing · 03-09-2005 5:09pm

Sorry Andy, I was referring to Dublin dude, but as the IRA don't represent Ireland, neither do the Arab terrorists represent Muslims.

Dublindude, correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to think 9/11 was part justified by American foreigh policy, I don't. Al Quaida could have attacked military bases or even state buildings, the twin towers for the most part being neither. Similary the IRA (or the LVF) could have stuck to similar targets, neither did.

Zildjian Ryan · 03-09-2005 5:17pm

dublindude wrote:

No, I think you are the one making the tool of yourself. Just accept you misquoted me and we shall move on. There's no point arguing about it anymore (i.e. we're going no where.)

I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to Andy.

ExoduS 18.11 · 03-09-2005 5:26pm

dublindude wrote:

Look: I know you see nice American movies with pretty white people with shiny white teeth. But this is not the real America, OK?

How many times have you visited the US ?

Dave! · 03-09-2005 5:35pm

Amazotheamazing wrote:

Dublindude, correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to think 9/11 was part justified by American foreigh policy, I don't. Al Quaida could have attacked military bases or even state buildings, the twin towers for the most part being neither. Similary the IRA (or the LVF) could have stuck to similar targets, neither did.

Exactly, so both groups are f*cking scumbags in my books.

nesf · 03-09-2005 6:47pm

Zildjian Ryan wrote:

Oh man. You have no idea how big of a tool you just made of yourself right there.

Cambridge University Dictionary:

Apologize, [Show phonetics]verb
to tell someone that you are sorry for having done something that has caused them inconvenience or unhappiness:
I must apologize to Isobel for my lateness.
Trains may be subject to delay on the northern line - we apologize for any inconvenience caused.
She apologized profusely for having to leave at 3.30 p.m.

You idiot. No more derailing of the thread please.

Apologize is the American English Spelling.

Apologise is the British variant. (going from my Merriam Websters which I've handy)

Anyways back on topic and play nice people.

Fence · 03-09-2005 7:02pm

dublindude wrote:

And I never said it is OK to kill civilians. Why do you keep saying I said that? Will you stop putting these words in my mouth please?

I think the problem is that you said something to the effect that the US deserved the Sept-11 attacks. Deserved them, as in something that all those traders did meant that this terrorism was okay.

You may not have meant it, but it implied that it was somehow acceptable.

Yook · 03-09-2005 7:20pm

Zildjian Ryan wrote:

Oh man. You have no idea how big of a tool you just made of yourself right there.

Cambridge University Dictionary:

Apologize, [Show phonetics]verb
to tell someone that you are sorry for having done something that has caused them inconvenience or unhappiness:
I must apologize to Isobel for my lateness.
Trains may be subject to delay on the northern line - we apologize for any inconvenience caused.
She apologized profusely for having to leave at 3.30 p.m.

You idiot. No more derailing of the thread please.

PWNED

Yook · 03-09-2005 7:21pm

EDIT: didn't mean to post this.

Mr.Nice Guy · 03-09-2005 7:23pm

Fence wrote:

I think the problem is that you said something to the effect that the US deserved the Sept-11 attacks. Deserved them, as in something that all those traders did meant that this terrorism was okay.

You may not have meant it, but it implied that it was somehow acceptable.

Actually I think it comes from his post today at 15:42pm. I'm not sure what that was about.

jonny68 · 03-09-2005 7:34pm

I have every respect for normal Americans it's Bush and his Goverment who i despise.

Prior Of Taize · 03-09-2005 7:40pm

I just cannot care about people who have so little self respect for themselves that they let 60% of their ENTIRE population become overweight...

this is the most retarded thread i have ever read. there was a racism thread only a few weeks ago.

Mr.Nice Guy · 03-09-2005 7:53pm

Prior Of Taize wrote:

america has done some good things...i dont hate their government...i just dont give a ****. i just hate people who have so little self respect for themselves that they let 60% of their ENTIRE population become overweight...

Who let 60% of the population become overweight? The government? But I thought you said you don't hate them?

Prior Of Taize wrote:

so instead of getting up on your high horse and praising america and bashing american haters why dont you look at the other side of the coin and see that america is the most militarily active country in the history of mankind and that they have killed more people and had more full scale wars than any other country in the past 100 years.

The country you are bashing played a pivotal role in defeating Nazism along with the Soviets,the Brits and the other Allies. Their military has helped in situations such as Kosovo in recent times. You've overlooked that though...

Prior Of Taize wrote:

get off your throne you gimp.

Insults reflect poorly on you. Be a good lad and read up on what 'ad hominem' attacks are. Cheers.

Prior Of Taize wrote:

"americans" is not the same as "america"....personally i cant stand americans....nothing against america...

Find any excuse to justify your anti-American views. Whatever helps you sleep at night. However I suspect you would take offence at people who criticise Irish people but not Ireland which is essentially your warped view.

Prior Of Taize wrote:

they havent exactly been making friends with a lot of people recently...i mean look at the kyoto agreement in its original form..one of the most industrial countries on this planet decides that it doesnt want to limit its emissions...even though we all have to deal with their sh!t spewing all over the globe...sounds fair eh?

But didn't you say "personally i cant stand americans....nothing against america..." yet the Kyoto agreement is to do with the government and you earlier said "i dont hate their government".

You're a bigot and a hypocrite rolled up into one. I'm impressed.

Mr.Nice Guy · 03-09-2005 7:54pm

Hey Prior of Taize, why did you edit your earlier comments?

Guilt?

nesf · 03-09-2005 7:56pm

Don't be so combative. This is a topic that people can get worked up about. Being combative will just provoke people. This isn't a good thing.

Mr.Nice Guy · 03-09-2005 7:59pm

nesf wrote:

Don't be so combative. This is a topic that people can get worked up about. Being combative will just provoke people. This isn't a good thing.

Sorry. He called me a gimp and it winded me up.

Dempsey · 03-09-2005 8:01pm

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

The country you are bashing played a pivotal role in defeating Nazism along with the Soviets,the Brits and the other Allies. Their military has helped in situations such as Kosovo in recent times. You've overlooked that though...

Yea but they invaded Iraq without UN approval, found no WMD's(the reason they invaded) and now their occupation of Iraq is causing havoc. You've overlooked that though...

Mr.Nice Guy · 03-09-2005 8:05pm

Dempsey wrote:

Yea but they invaded Iraq without UN approval, found no WMD's(the reason they invaded) and now their occupation of Iraq is causing havoc. You've overlooked that though...

They found one WMD - Saddam Hussein.

No more torture rooms or mass graves. That vile human being is locked away.

You've overlooked something yourself, eh?

fly_agaric · 03-09-2005 8:07pm

dublindude wrote:

Lol this is hilarious. Gotta be trolling! Or drunk! Please don't let this be for real...

What about all the revolting comments about "the US" "deserving" the disaster in different places on this board!
Or you just implying that Sept. 11th was deserved...
I really, really hope that they are sick jokes or people "trolling"! :mad:

Why don't you try and remember who it is that actually does the dying and the suffering in these disasters. It is not George Bush, it's not Dick Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld et al.

Dempsey · 03-09-2005 8:08pm

How many Iraqi civilians have been killed because of U.S. Occupation? How many children?

Laguna · 03-09-2005 8:11pm

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

They found one WMD - Saddam Hussein.

No more torture rooms or mass graves. That vile human being is locked away.

You've overlooked something yourself, eh?

Mr Nice Guy, you started a thread on this topic but refuse to take on board anyone elses opinion. Not everyone views America in quite the same rose tinted view you do. Before you reply with a scathing attack on me, I'd like to say you're entitled to your opinion on America, as am I, as is Dempsey, as is everyone..

Rantorama · 03-09-2005 8:11pm

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

They found one WMD - Saddam Hussein.

That vile human being is locked away.

?

The same vile human that they armed in the 1980's.

fly_agaric · 03-09-2005 8:12pm

dublindude wrote:

Think for a second.

America is always telling the middle east that democracy is great, that in a democracy the government truely represents the people. So using that logic, the governments actions is the peoples actions. So attacking the people is the same as attacking the government.

Comprende?

Congratulations. You are well on your way to becoming a successful terrorist!
(edit: I see I was a bit late with this, repeating what others had said - please ignore).

Mr.Nice Guy · 03-09-2005 8:12pm

Dempsey wrote:

How many Iraqi civilians have been killed because of U.S. Occupation? How many children?

I don't think there are known figures. There is much controversy on the matter. I do know that in a poll conducted before the war, most Iraqis welcomed the invasion.

I also know that it was insurgents who beheaded Ken Bigley and murdered Irish-born citizen Margaret Hassan, not Americans.

Mr.Nice Guy · 03-09-2005 8:16pm

Laguna wrote:

Mr Nice Guy, you started a thread on this topic but refuse to take on board anyone elses opinion. Not everyone views America in quite the same rose tinted view you do. Before you reply with a scathing attack on me, I'd like to say you're entitled to your opinion on America, as am I, as is Dempsey, as is everyone..

I take on board the opinions of others. I wouldn't have expected a difference of opinion though on a non-political thread which merely stated that the American people and the nation should not be on the end of abuse over anger at the American administration. Apparently bigotry can be justified though.

I knew of course that such views were to be expected.

As for a scathing attack on yourself, I will not do anything of the sort. As you say, we're all entitled to our opinions. Perhaps now though so too are the Iraqis and we all know what country to thank for that, don't we?

djmarkus · 03-09-2005 8:17pm

Just because they where deaths that where in the press because they where westerners makes them more important than the 0000's of muslims executed by americans?

You my friend are the biggot

Mr.Nice Guy · 03-09-2005 8:18pm

djmarkus wrote:

Just because they where deaths that where in the press because they where westerners makes them more important than the 0000's of muslims executed by americans?

You my friend are the biggot

You my friend are delusional. Seeing things that were never said.

What does the truth matter though, eh?

djmarkus · 03-09-2005 8:21pm

so how many Iraqi people have been executed by the Americans? And what justification do you give for the invasion? Coz bush was running a bit low on oil?

Dempsey · 03-09-2005 8:23pm

Rantorama wrote:

The same vile human that they armed in the 1980's.

I think it was...AMAZING ISNT IT, and wasn't it over Oil? :eek:

Rantorama · 03-09-2005 8:26pm

Dempsey wrote:

I think it was...AMAZING ISNT IT, and wasn't it over Oil? :eek:

Yeah, war is Shell.

Mr.Nice Guy · 03-09-2005 8:27pm

djmarkus wrote:

so how many Iraqi people have been executed by the Americans? And what justification do you give for the invasion? Coz bush was running a bit low on oil?

What? No acknowledgement that your previous remark towards me was both wrong and ignorant? Show some respect for crying out loud.

djmarkus wrote:

so how many Iraqi people have been executed by the Americans?

I'm not aware of the Americans 'executing' anybody. As far as I know they are imprisoning POWs. I know the insurgents have executed people alright, including an Irish-born aid worker.

djmarkus wrote:

And what justification do you give for the invasion?

Me personally? The removal of an evil, vicious dictator in Saddam Hussein was, in my eyes, warranted and also the chance of freedom, justice and democracy for the people of Iraq who have been oppressed for so long.

djmarkus wrote:

Coz bush was running a bit low on oil?

The oil argument is spurious in my eyes.

djmarkus · 03-09-2005 8:31pm

god, i may aswell be talkin to bush himself, infact i might get some answers that are a bit more in touch with reality.

Mr.Nice Guy · 03-09-2005 8:32pm

Dempsey wrote:

I think it was...AMAZING ISNT IT, and wasn't it over Oil? :eek:

From WorldNetDaily:

We have no right to attack Saddam because our aid made him powerful and he once functioned as our ally.

Not true, and not even vaguely relevant. During the Cold War, Iraq was a client state of the Soviet Union, not the United States, and Saddam has always been outspoken in his Marxist, anti-Western fulminations. It's true that the U.S. foreign-policy establishment tilted toward Iraq in its bloody war against Iran, but only because the Islamic fanaticism of the Iranians represented a more direct, immediate danger to the United States. Suggesting that fleeting cooperation some 20 years ago means that we have no right to oppose Iraq today makes no sense whatever. We provided massive military and financial support to Stalin during his desperate battle against Hitler. Does that mean that we had no moral right to oppose the aggressive designs of the Soviet Union when it turned against us within months of the conclusion of the world war?

D'oh!

Mr.Nice Guy · 03-09-2005 8:34pm

djmarkus wrote:

god, i may aswell be talkin to bush himself, infact i might get some answers that are a bit more in touch with reality.

Definition of ad hominem:

"An ad hominem argument, also known as argumentum ad hominem (Latin, literally "argument to the man"), is a logical fallacy that involves replying to an argument or assertion by addressing the person presenting the argument or assertion rather than the argument itself or an argument pointing out an inconsistency between a view expressed by an individual and the remainder of his or her beliefs."

Dempsey · 03-09-2005 8:35pm

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

The oil argument is spurious in my eyes.

There is a World Oil Shortage, Iraq has a load of Oil.

djmarkus · 03-09-2005 8:36pm

Thats nice, Anyway i dont think people on boards are anti-american, more like anti-bush, like 49% of the american population.

Laguna · 03-09-2005 8:39pm

I reckon all this arguing should be settled by a mammoth session of Street Fighter Alpha EX round my house with a bag of Dutch Gold..

Dempsey · 03-09-2005 8:40pm

Im sure I could find a reliable media report to contradict that quote from WorldNetDaily. But I wouldn't have to google so hard.

Mr.Nice Guy · 03-09-2005 8:47pm

Dempsey wrote:

Im sure I could find a reliable media report to contradict that quote from WorldNetDaily. But I wouldn't have to google so hard.

I'm sure you could. But I acknowledged earlier that there is much controversy on the whole issue.

Yook · 03-09-2005 8:55pm

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

They found one WMD - Saddam Hussein.

No more torture rooms or mass graves. That vile human being is locked away.

You've overlooked something yourself, eh?

Please don't listen to this crap! I used to live in America and believe me, the people aren't this Bias. I bet you believe everything they TELL you on Fox. This guy would give you reason to dislike to american people even more.

I wonder when the amount of innocent iraqies murdered by the American Army will reach the number murdered by Saddam, they have no place there. I disagree with the government not the people.

You are defeating the point this thread was trying to make!

Dempsey · 03-09-2005 8:57pm

Mr.Nice Guy wrote:

I'm sure you could. But I acknowledged earlier that there is much controversy on the whole issue.

If its controversial, why are you using it as a point in your arguement/opinion?

But can you see why people have a negitive opinion on the U.S., the New Orleans disaster and their slow response in helping people who are dropping dead because Bush is pissing about with politics, Bill Clinton fundraisers and not doing what should be done

Sickening anti-American attitudes

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