Should I give my flatmate the money...?

LegacyUser

The cancellation of the direct debit does not mean that the service with the ISP is being cancelled...did you not think after a few months and the service not being cut off that maybe something was amiss??

AARRRGH

bruachain wrote:

The cancellation of the direct debit does not mean that the service with the ISP is being cancelled...did you not think after a few months and the service not being cut off that maybe something was amiss??

Of course something was amiss... but this is IBB, remember? (if you don't know, IBB are quite the joke.)

It seemed very obvious to me that the problem was on IBB's end (a **** up by them) considering no money was leaving my flatmates account.

Pigman II

I disagree with the people here who neatly apportion all the blame to him under 'you used it, you pay for it!' mantra. He clearly asked the flatmate to cancel the DD and she never did. It must be remembered that whether he had used it or never used it there still would have been a debit of €35 (or woteva) occuring every month.

IMHO the only blame that can be apportioned to him is that he didn't ever investigage as to 'if', 'why' and 'how' he was still getting 'free' service from IBB, but that is all water under the bridge now.

One question I'd ask dublindude is 'was this flatmate made fully aware that IBB was still available in your flat and you were using it 'free' over the past nine months or so'?

If she was not then I believe that you are at least 50% to blame (and should pay at least 50%), if she was aware what was going on then I think all the responsibility moves back onto her and she can pay the lot.

BlitzKrieg

Seriously why would someone tell me a direct debit has been cancelled and no money has been taken from their account, when the opposite is in fact true???

Are you sure that is where the fault was. Maybe she did cancel the Direct Debit, but as people have said it was the wrong approach to cancel the broadband and it is in fact irish broadband pushing the bill to the person who used the broadband

shellby

dublindude wrote:

But your taxi analogy is not quite fair - the ending should be where your friend says, "Oh I thought you were paying? I have no money." And then you have to pay. Fair or not?

what i actually meant was that i used the taxi on my own, my friend didn't use the service therfore should not have to pay for it
............ sound familiar?

AARRRGH

Pigman II wrote:

It must be remembered that whether he had used it or never used it there still would have been a debit of €35 (or woteva) occuring every month.

Indeed. Thanks for pointing that out.

Pigman II wrote:

One question I'd ask dublindude is 'was this flatmate actually aware that IBB was still available in your flat and you were using it 'free' over the past nine months or so'?

If so then I believe that you are both equally blame each and should pay 50% each.

Yes, she is aware it is here, and she has used it the odd time.

BlitzKrieg wrote:

Are you sure that is where the fault was. Maybe she did cancel the Direct Debit, but as people have said it was the wrong approach to cancel the broadband and it is in fact irish broadband pushing the bill to the person who used the broadband

Yes, she defo didn't cancel it. She admitted it to me when she finally decided to have a look at her bank statement...

edanto

dublindude wrote:

she has used it the odd time.

That puts a slightly different slant on it - there's no doubt that the bill should be shared.

AARRRGH

shellby wrote:

what i actually meant was that i used the taxi on my own, my friend didn't use the service therfore should not have to pay for it
............ sound familiar?

Not quite with you. But there's a big difference between €15 and €500...

skywalker

Fysh wrote:

Now. If you have a separate wireless connection that's free - why would you bother carrying on using the IBB account,

Id like to hear your answer to this too. Id be leaning towards 50/50.

Pigman II

dublindude wrote:

Yes, she is aware it is here, and she has used it the odd time.



Yes, she defo didn't cancel it. She admitted it to me when she finally decided to have a look at her bank statement...

Sorry, I changed my blame% verdict after you quoted it. So let me reiterate IMHO the fact that she didn't cancel the DD was also fully aware of this 'free' IBB was being provided (and actually even used it the odd time herself) would lead me to conclude that she was fully aware of this potiential situation and was 100% her fault for not investigating & dealing with the matter.

Bottom line is I WOULD NOT pay it under those circumstances. However if I was you I might give her a nominal amount towards it (10%) as a gesture of goodwill but as she was the one who f'd up so she can deal with the consequences as far as I am concerned.

shellby

Pigman II wrote:

I disagree with the people here who neatly apportion all the blame to him under 'you used it, you pay for it!' mantra. He clearly asked the flatmate to cancel the DD and she never did. It must be remembered that whether he had used it or never used it there still would have been a debit of €35 (or woteva) occuring every month.

this was and is his bill, he accepted the responsibility of paying the broadband when he moved in - nobody forced it on him and if they did then he might be able to defend himself - therefore assuming he took it on of his own free will ensuring that the bill was cancelled (the DD aswell as with the ISP) is his responsibility

now we all love when we fing a €20.00 note on the ground - but if you went back to your house to find your mate upset because she had just lost her last score and it had to do her till pay day would you keep the one u had found. granted it mightn't be her money but would you keep knowing that it might be

essentially thats what dublindude has done he taught he was getting something for free - turns out that he wasn't and all at the expense of his flat mate and now knowing that (remember there was doubt above none here) that he has been spending her money he should return it

i wouldn't sign or commit to a contract without reading it - if i did the consequences would be my own fault, if the OP took on the responsibilities of a contract without fully understanding it then the consequences are indeed his making

MicraBoy

Are you sure that is where the fault was. Maybe she did cancel the Direct Debit, but as people have said it was the wrong approach to cancel the broadband and it is in fact irish broadband pushing the bill to the person who used the broadband

In fairness he has said on numerous occasions that the Swiss guy (whose name the account was in) asked IBB to remove the equipment and they wouldn't. This sounds to me like the account was cancelled correctly with IBB, who then continued to charge the account incorrectly. If that is the case, the female flatmate has made a right royal screw up.

I would say she is completely responsible for paying the bill, except for the fact that he then went and used the service so morally he should contribute to it. Legally no one is going to come after him (i.e. IBB or the bank) for the money. On the other hand he would probably need to find a new place to live if he doesnt cough up!

I'm a bit suspicious of dublindude though. Why in the name of God would you have to ask your flatmate to cancel the DD (the arrangment was nothing to do with you) unless you had said in the first place that you might use the BB connection, and then changed your mind? If thats the case you are definitely obliged to ensure the DD was cancelled, and should again contribute to the cost.

AARRRGH

Shellby I don't think you've read my posts. If you read what I've written you'll see it's not my bill. It had nothing to do with me when I moved in. I've just used it the odd time.

skywalker yes I have another internet connection. The reason I use the IBB one the odd time is because the connection for it is in my bedroom (handy when I'm hungover etc.)

shellby

dublindude wrote:

Yes, she defo didn't cancel it. She admitted it to me when she finally decided to have a look at her bank statement...

oh the plot thickens........ case 50/50

the bill was still your responsibility and you both used it

but shame on her for lying............ the lesson her is your money is your own don't let someone else handle your financial matters

AARRRGH

MicraBoy wrote:

I'm a bit suspicious of dublindude though. Why in the name of God would you have to ask your flatmate to cancel the DD (the arrangment was nothing to do with you) unless you had said in the first place that you might use the BB connection, and then changed your mind? If thats the case you are definitely obliged to ensure the DD was cancelled, and should again contribute to the cost.

When I moved in I knew the IBB was still working, but should not actually be working.

I also knew my flatmate is the most useless person in the world - that is why I asked her to cancel the direct debit (I was trying to take control of the situation and stop her from potentially paying IBB.)

From the responses I've seen here, I think the reasonable thing to do is if we split the bill. She's paying half because she ****ed up, and I'm paying half because I have actually used the connection.

Still very annoying though.

Zombrex

Dublindue I am still completely confused about how you were using the internet account but had no idea you were using the internet account

dublindude wrote:

It seemed very obvious to me that the problem was on IBB's end (a **** up by them) considering no money was leaving my flatmates account.

It wasn't a "free" connection, you knew she was paying for it at the start, you knew she was dopey about cancelling things. Are you telling us that you just assumed IBB were being stupid enough to leave on your internet connection even though they weren't getting any money for it? Sorry mate, but that is your mistake.

Either way you were stealing an internet connection from your flatmate or from Irish Broadband. And now it is time to pay up.

dublindude wrote:

Basically, if everything was done right, there should have been no internet connection the day I moved into the flat.

And by the fact that there was an internet connection was blind obvious slap in the face with a wet fish evidence that the direct debit had not been cancelled, that the IBB account was still open and that someone was paying for it. Trust me, IBB don't give away free internet accounts. As soon as you told her to u weren't paying for the IBB connection you should never have gone near it again, and I can't understand why you did given this quote...

dublindude wrote:

I get internet access for free. There is no way I would ever have considered using the IBB connection if I had of known my flatmate was too lazy to check her bank statement

I don't get this at all If you get internet access for free (from where? you have two internet connections in the flat?) then why were you ever going near the IBB internet connection at all?

It sounds like you made a very dumb assumption (that IBB were giving you free internet that you could use as much as you liked and no one was paying for it) and now it is time to take responsibility for the internet usage you used.

If you really thought that IBB had make a massive cock up you should have gone straight to your flat mate and told her that internet was still one and that she needed to check that they were not taking money. DD are notorious for continuing after you supposeable cancel them. More importantly you should have clarified with her that you were not using it and would not be paying for it at all. After that she would have been on her own.

Your flat mate is dumb for not cancelling the account and DD, but you are equally dumb for believing that IBB were giving you a free account

AARRRGH

Wicknight wrote:

It wasn't a "free" connection, you knew she was paying for it at the start, you knew she was dopey about cancelling things. Are you telling us that you just assumed IBB were being stupid enough to leave on your internet connection even though they weren't getting any money for it? Sorry mate, but that is your mistake.

No I didn't know she was paying for it. She told me she wasn't. She told me she's never paid for it in the two years it's been in the flat (turns out she's full of ****.)

Do a search for IBB on the internet. You will see they really are that stupid!! Seriously, ask any IBB user...

Wicknight wrote:

Either way you were stealing an internet connection from your flatmate or from Irish Broadband. And now it is time to pay up.

... I'm not stealing anything. The connection should not be here.

If someone leaves a DVD in your flat by mistake, and you watch it while you wait for them to come back and take it away, are you stealing the DVD?
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Wicknight wrote:

And by the fact that there was an internet connection was blind obvious slap in the face with a wet fish evidence that the direct debit had not been cancelled, that the IBB account was still open and that someone was paying for it.

But she told me repeatedly that the direct debit was cancelled and they were taking no money from her account! What else can I do? Ring her bank and ask???

Wicknight wrote:

I don't get this at all If you get internet access for free (from where? you have two internet connections in the flat?) then why were you ever going near the IBB internet connection at all?

From a previous post I mentioned the IBB connection is in my bedroom so it's handy when I'm hungover etc.

Wicknight wrote:

If you really thought that IBB had make a massive cock up you should have gone straight to your flat mate and told her that internet was still one and that she needed to check that they were not taking money.

Again, I have already said I did this many, many times...

Wicknight wrote:

Your flat mate is dumb for not cancelling the account and DD, but you are equally dumb for believing that IBB were giving you a free account

Do you work for IBB? Ring their support/sales and see how retarded they are...

the_syco

Lets see...

Before you moved in, she had the BB account under her name. You moved in, and told her that she was to cancel it, but didn't. Now she has to pay for her mistake. Let her.

/edit
But you used it. If you used it, you would know it was still there. You speak of crap of "how would I know if she hadn't cancelled it". Well, you were using it. Thats proof enough.

You should have not used it, or when you did, you should have ensured she cancelled it afterwards. It sounds to me like you made a half-hearted attempt to get it cancelled, and then though it as "free" BB, and continued to use it, for your own purpose's.

MicraBoy

I also knew my flatmate is the most useless person in the world - that is why I asked her to cancel the direct debit (I was trying to take control of the situation and stop her from potentially paying IBB.)

That'll learn ya to stick your oar in where it's not wanted!

Assuming the connection was closed by the Swiss bandit. The first thing you should do is get her to cancel the DD. Then get her to write to IBB and say she wants all the money back as the account was closed since he left. They may not even check it was being used over the period if they have a letter from the Swiss guy asking to close the account, thinking they have messed up not cancelling the DD. I'd unplug the connection right now PERMANENTLY!

If you and her arent prepared to do that, its time to drop the pants and bend over. You're about to be screwed. :eek:

SparkyLarks

Here's my take on the situation.

The swiss guy should have cancelled the connection properly.
i.e. got confirmation from IBB that it was cancelled. This can be hard to do sometimes but not impossible.

Your flatmate should have cancelled the service as it was coming out of her account, She should also have told you that money was still comming out every month.

You shouldn;t have used the account. when you knew it was still active , you should have either called up IBB to cancel and gotten confirmataion that it was cancelled. Or you should have told your flatmate. Look that's still working, have cancelled your Direct Debit??

There are so many times here where a call/letter/fax to IBB would have saved all the hassle.

The fact that you both used the service, I think you both should pay for it. come to some arangement with your flatmate.

The fact that you have a free connection anyway doesn;t exeronate you, if your too lazy to go to your bedroom then you have to pay for what you use. The fact IBB didn;t collect their equipment( this only applies if it was cancelled already ) doesn;t matter either. You could have put it in a box and not used it. You could have dropped it into IBB. You could have posted it to them( and them send them an Invoice for postage and packaging)




By the way have you cancelled the IBB connection??

skywalker

How did it end up that you were in any way responsible for the connection if it was supposed to be gone before you moved in? like was it shared out between everyone in the flat (is it just the 2 of you?), Im just wondering how it was up to you to get her to cancel it?

WhiteWashMan

im still of the opinion that the OP used the internet connection, knew it was still there, didnt really check anything, and was content to continue using it even though was fully aware that there may come a day when a bill arrived.

sounds like at the moment pigman and dubdude are just trying to pat each other onthe back and blame someone else for dubdudes silliness.

AARRRGH

skywalker wrote:

How did it end up that you were in any way responsible for the connection if it was supposed to be gone before you moved in? like was it shared out between everyone in the flat (is it just the 2 of you?), Im just wondering how it was up to you to get her to cancel it?

Simply because I use it a bit (she does use it the odd time, but it rare tbh.)

And obviously I've known there's a problem ("free internet"), and as the house techie, I guess the internet connection is my responsibility.

But yes, you are indeed correct that I am not quite responsible for the connection (legally, I could tell her to go **** herself and there's nothing anyone could do.)

I have decided to try to work out some kind of 50/50 arrangement with her. Might be difficult...

Blub2k4

You would not be involved at all if you had not been using it.
Wny would you bother to use it at all if you have a free account already, are you sidestepping a limit on another account or possibly using an account in someone elses name for stuff you dont want to be connected to, excuse the suspicion but I see no other reasons.
If no one at all had used it then there would have been a case to put to IBB that it was unused, check the logs, in that case you could have fallen back on the "but I told you to take the equipment away" routine, in this case you dont get that privilege.
Your usage of the service has also disallowed the flatmate from saying that it wasn's used and therefore wont be paid, so it is quite squarely your fault that she was billed or at least cant get out of paying for the period.
Thick she may be but doesn't sound malicious.

<edit> I just saw that she did use it from time to time for the period, that changes things, if she knew that you were also using it then you both thought you were getting something for nothing and that doesn't happen too often, 50:50 sounds fair.

Pigman II

WhiteWashMan wrote:

sounds like at the moment pigman and dubdude are just trying to pat each other onthe back and blame someone else for dubdudes silliness.

I might agree with you except duddude has stated clearly that the flatmate didn't cancel the DD and could see full well that IBB was still being provided all this time. If anyone was being silly here it was her.

Anything he did regarding ibb usage only served to highlight this problem rather than contribute to it.

AARRRGH

WhiteWashMan wrote:

im still of the opinion that the OP used the internet connection, knew it was still there, didnt really check anything, and was content to continue using it even though was fully aware that there may come a day when a bill arrived.

sounds like at the moment pigman and dubdude are just trying to pat each other onthe back and blame someone else for dubdudes silliness.

No, I disagree. I DID check a lot of things -

Is the direct debit cancelled? Yes
Are they taking money from you? No
Is the internet connection cancelled? Yes
Did you sign a new contract with them? No
Are IBB retards? Yes
Is this a free internet connection because IBB won't remove their equipment? Yes

My actions were reasonable. Had I of know that payment was still being made, this situation would never have arisen.

REMEMBER: Whether I used the internet connection or not, this problem would still be here!

nobodythere

Obviously if you kept on using it you already knew she didn't cancel it... Maybe you're just looking for an excuse for her to foot the bill so you could have free BB for the year? Not that she ain't a jackass for not cancelling it...

AARRRGH

grasshopa wrote:

Obviously if you kept on using it you already knew she didn't cancel it...

Seriously, seriously... I was told it was cancelled by the Swiss guy (old flatmate) and her.

Really, at no stage have I been thinking to myself, "I know they HAVEN'T cancelled this connection, and I know I am going to get a big bill in 9 months."

As I have said, I have free internet. I don't need the IBB connection.

skywalker

dublindude wrote:

Simply because I use it a bit (she does use it the odd time, but it rare tbh.)

And obviously I've known there's a problem ("free internet"), and as the house techie, I guess the internet connection is my responsibility.

But yes, you are indeed correct that I am not quite responsible for the connection (legally, I could tell her to go **** herself and there's nothing anyone could do.)

I have decided to try to work out some kind of 50/50 arrangement with her. Might be difficult...

Tbh its looking more like you dont need to pay as much (if anything at all) as people are saying around here. She used it herself & it was in her name. The fact that she didnt cancel the DD when you asked her to doesnt seem relevant as it doesnt seem like it was your responsibility either way.

What is she asking of you now? that you pay the whole thing? that seems quite rich considering it was her connection & she was using it. To use the tv analogy, Its seems to me more like you watching her tv, it was her responsibility to make sure the ntl was paid/not paid as it was in her name.

AARRRGH

skywalker wrote:

What is she asking of you now? that you pay the whole thing? that seems quite rich considering it was her connection & she was using it. To use the tv analogy, Its seems to me more like you watching her tv, it was her responsibility to make sure the ntl was paid/not paid as it was in her name.

Yes, she left the bill for me. €500!

As I was saying easlier, she doesn't think she should have to pay for anything (when I moved in she wasn't paying any rent, she STILL has not paid for the ESB which is now a very, very large bill, got the phone cut off due to not paying, and never paid NTL.)

It's not that she's cheap. She's just... not quite with it. I'd even go as far as saying there's something wrong with her...

But that's besides the point. I'm going to pay half. Not all of it. We are both to blame (although I do think more her than me.)

Thanks for all the advice

Zombrex

dublindude wrote:

Is this a free internet connection because IBB won't remove their equipment? Yes

If you actually did ask her that, then I am completely on your side in this.

If she told you it was free and gave u permission to use it on that basis, then she has no right to ask you for money after the fact. You were going on the information she gave you. She made the assumption that it was free internet, that was her mistake.

If on the other hand, you assumed it was free and used it based on that assumption then you do owe her money because that was your mistake.

So, just to clarify, did she tell you directly that the account was definitly cancelled but she was still getting FREE internet connection?

SouperComputer

IMO you "owe" her nothing.

That said, you took a gamble by using the connection and hoping it wasnt being billed for whatever reason.

You lost the gamble and you should contribute to the connection, thats my €0.02, if it was me, I would say 20%.

If the bill is in her name, its her ultimate responsibility.

AARRRGH

Wicknight wrote:

So, just to clarify, did she tell you directly that the account was definitly cancelled but she was still getting FREE internet connection?

The Swiss guy told me it was cancelled (she did too, but I trust the Swiss guy more.)

She told me it was free and has always been free (by "free" I mean no money has ever left her account. This is actually completely untrue. They have always taken payment from her.)

Retardtastic.

LegacyUser

PM sent to Dublindude?

martyFarty

I can completely understand how you might expect that IBB screwed up and were giving you free broadband. The house I'm living in now, we've had free NTL (in bedrooms too) since we moved in a year ago, and not a single bill has arrived to the house. I odn't consider this stealing, as some people on this thread might suggest. I go home, turn on the TV, there's cable there so I watch it. Who wouldn't. If someone gave me a bill for a years worth of cable that I never asked for, no way in hell would I pay for it, even though I did watch it every day.

I suppose the difference with you DublinDude is that your flatmate is getting screwed. I say give her nothing, the stupid bich

AARRRGH

bruachain wrote:

PM sent to Dublindude?

Thanks IBB guy.

Why do you want to know those details?

LegacyUser

'Cause then I'll get a dude I know who works in there to see if/why it was never taken out...:D

AARRRGH

bruachain wrote:

'Cause then I'll get a dude I know who works in there to see if/why it was never taken out...:D

Your cover has been blown!!!

OK, I'm off to work. This thread can be closed now. Thanks for the advice.

Zombrex

dublindude wrote:

She told me it was free and has always been free (by "free" I mean no money has ever left her account. This is actually completely untrue. They have always taken payment from her.)

Retardtastic.

In that case, apologies, I am on your side.

She told you u had free BB in your flat due to IBB messing up, she assumed IBB had f**ked up.

Now, it might have been a bit naieve for you to believe that, but like you said who are u to question her after you have checked with her. She gave u permission to use the "free" internet u had in the house, and she was the one dealing with IBB and had decide it was free in the first place.

Using the example you used above, if she game back from Xtra-vision and said the DVD she rented could be kept for 9 months, u might do "umm I'm not sure about that?", but then if she said "no really it can" and you keep it for 9 months, that is her fault, she should pay the late fee.

So, again apologies mate, didn't understand the situation.

I though you had assumed it was free and used it on the basis of that assumption, which would have made the mistake yours. But if she had assumed it was free, told you it was, and then you used it, she has to take responsiblity for the mistake she made. I don't think you owe her anything, she told u it was free she can't then turn around and ask for a load of money for it.

Now I supposed u could help her out with it, but really it was her fault, and I think she should realise that.

LegacyUser

dublindude wrote:

Your cover has been blown!!!

OK, I'm off to work. This thread can be closed now. Thanks for the advice.

Not me mate, wrong guy

Sounds to me like the Swiss dude left you high and dry, and no-one bothered to nip it in the bud, so you/your flatemate got burned with a bill. Wouldve been interesting to find out the other side of the story though....

jester77

You say you asked her to cancel the DD and she said she did. You then asked if money was being taken from her a/c and she said "no"! Fair enough. At this point if the money was been taken from her a/c then that's her problem. She should have been onto IBB sorting that out as she knew the Swiss lad had cancelled the sub.

Are you telling the full story though? Why would she expect you to pay the whole bill of €500, especially as you said she used it occasionally?? Surely she doesn't think she can get a free ride so to speak!

Anyway, going by what you said it is her problem, she should know what money is leaving her account. But at the same time you still used the service. If you only used it a small bit like you said then you should give her some cash to reflect that, maybe 1 or 2 months the price of the monthly IBB sub! However if you have been using it quite a bit then I think it's only fair to go 50/50 on it.

Plus you need to sort her out. Why is she not paying bills, I assume you are giving her the cash for them. You should get her to set them up as direct debits on her account. I'd be worried about what is happening to your share of the bill money, you will be left in the dark some night and internet connections will be the least of your worries!

0utshined

From what you've told us here she's brought it on herself and learned a life lesson, albeit an expensive one. I'm not following the reasoning of the people who think you should pay the full bill. If you had been told beforehand it would cost you then I doubt you'd have been using that connection. She f*cked up and should have made sure there was no money coming out of the account.

You say you've used it which is fine but that was when you believed there was no cost to you for it. If she'd told you after a month or two that there was a problem and you were being charged to use it I'm sure you would have grumbled, paid it and stopped using it. But she left it for 9 months . To come along and expect you to pay €500 to clean up her mess is a bit rich, you're not her parent. She is solely responsible for the bill IMO but in the interests of harmony in the household I'd split it with her and be very wary of any transactions in the future involving you, her and money.

tbh

having read that post, I've changed my mind - what outshined said.

Caimin

egan007

dublindude wrote:

Well, she's a complete retard and it's her fault. But I do feel a bit bad that she got billed.

But then again, I knew something like this would happen... You'd be amazed how bad this girl is at doing the basic things in life.

For example, she used to pay the rent from her account. It turns out she just never bothered to pay the rent. She doesn't seem to think this was a big deal. Also, she doesn't seem to think she should have to pay the rent for the months which she didn't pay it. This is not because she is cheap. There is simply something wrong with her brain. Of course, I now pay the rent, and have to force her to give me the money every month...

So not cancelling the DD is to be expected of her. BUT! If I had of know she did not cancel the direct debit I would have taken action. She should not have told me it was cancelled! This bill should not exist!!

You describe her as a retard and you let her look after your[b/] business?

You said you have more than one internet connection
- you obviously know what you are doing so you knew the service was on.

If you were using the BB they you must surely of know it was on
but you left it to a 'retard' to turn it off for you?

You got burned now you are trying to shift the blame....

She should of cancelled it - you should of checked...

Cabaal

dublindude wrote:

Seriously, seriously... I was told it was cancelled by the Swiss guy (old flatmate) and her.

Really, at no stage have I been thinking to myself, "I know they HAVEN'T cancelled this connection, and I know I am going to get a big bill in 9 months."

As I have said, I have free internet. I don't need the IBB connection.

Thats great and you keep saying that, however you kept using it fromt time to time, if you did'ent use it and you packed away all the equipment then when IBB came to charge you you'd have a case against them.

- Account was canceled (apparently, but is'ent such a thing done in writing near the end of a contract?)
- I believed DD was canceled
- LOOK no usage on the account

However you tried to abuse the system & calling IBB retards its not a valid excuse,

A good example here is:

- Somebody gets a PSTN line installed by Eircom in my flat
- I then tell that person to cancel it, they say its been canceled
- Even though I've been told its been canceled I find its still active
- I continue to use the PSTN line for Calls to India, USA etc etc
- Eircom bill me for all these calls/line rental
- I go crying about the charges and try to blame the person who I asked to cancel the line, dispite the fact I knew right well it wasn't

Now lets review this, ask loads of people on boards and they'll tell you eircom are a bunch of muppets. However I was still in the wrong for using a service that I knew right well was active even though it was supposed to be canceled.
The fault is 100% mine, UNLESS after I asked the person to cancel it I find its active and I make attempts to resolve the matter (contacting eircom etc)
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This is not something you tried from what I've seen.

AARRRGH

Cabaal wrote:

Thats great and you keep saying that, however you kept using it fromt time to time, if you did'ent use it and you packed away all the equipment then when IBB came to charge you you'd have a case against them.

- Account was canceled (apparently, but is'ent such a thing done in writing near the end of a contract?)
- I believed DD was canceled
- LOOK no usage on the account

However you tried to abuse the system & calling IBB retards its not a valid excuse,

I'm pretty sure LEGALLY I am not in the wrong. No agreement, no contract...

As a previous poster said, regardless of me using the account or not, they would have been taking the money.

And as another poster said, if you moved into a house where there was NTL but no agreement/bill, would you honestly pay NTL when they came looking for money in 9 months? Of course not...

jesus_thats_gre

dublindude wrote:

The problem really is a **** up between old swiss flatmate, current flatmate and IBB. But I'm stuck in the middle somehow...

You are stuck in the middle because you consistently used the service over the dipsuted period..

I have read the remainder of the thread and have come around to your way of thinking slighly more.. TBH, I would just pay half to save the argument..

jesus_thats_gre

dublindude wrote:

And as another poster said, if you moved into a house where there was NTL but no agreement/bill, would you honestly pay NTL when they came looking for money in 9 months? Of course not...

You would be billed by NTL if they had the appropriate mechanims in place to trace your usage. They do not know you are watching it. IBB on the other hand, do know you have used it and will be able to provide proof to that effect..

You used it, thus you are partially responsible.. You can argue it all you want and provide as many example to defend yourself but you knew you were chancing your arm and you have been called on it..

astrofool

tbf to the OP, anyone who lives out there in the big wide world will know that when something gets cancelled, it often doesn't get "cancelled", and that people will still use the service unless it has been removed properly. My brother worked at debt collecting for NTL, and all of them would keep on using the free cable, and not pay a thing, often, even when cancelled, the most NTL do is pull the coax out, leaving people free to plug it back in.

I also had IrishWisp (another wireless BB provider) a couple of years ago, the service was never great (couldn't get dsl at the time), and they went out of business before the contract was up, but the connection was left up for another 2 months before it went off air altogether. They never bothered picking up the equipment either.

Cabaal

dublindude, nice that you commented on the first half of my post, but why are you not replying about the second half?