Rooney Red Card

whiskeyman

This is how it looked to me.

Great player, but still has to calm it.

Chardee MacDennis

rooney may be talented but he is an isiot and a scumbag.and its very possible he goes on to ruin himself and waste his talent by being so stupid. if i was eriksson, he would be dropped.

ricey

Call_me_al wrote:

rooney may be talented but he is an isiot and a scumbag.and its very possible he goes on to ruin himself and waste his talent by being so stupid. if i was eriksson, he would be dropped.

Like a "scumbag" its as if you know the guy!

Take a chill man or get a life 4 yourself.

PHB

He was bloody right, the ref was nuts in his giving of the yellow cards.
Some fouls by Villareal people were nuts, and they weren't booked.
Thats what Rooney was so pissed about, and what I was so pissed about.
Hence why he clapped the ref.

To call him a scumbag is really saying alot about yourself.


p.s. Erikson can't drop him, he has been Englands best preformer for quite some time.

Rollo Tamasi

PHB wrote:

To call him a scumbag is really saying alot about yourself.

But he is a scumbag

AARRRGH

Indeed. He is a scumbag. <MOD EDIT>Do not post allegations without links to your original sources</MOD EDIT>. What more evidence do you need?

MrJoeSoap

Haven't seen the incident but if you clap the referee, especially that close to his face, you deserve it.

Reminds me of when Fabrice Fernandes was booked for recreating the dive of an opposition player to show the referee he had made the wrong decision. I couldn't stop laughing.

masterK

Did anybody attempt to lip read what Ferguson said to Rooney as he was walking off, I'm nearly certain he called him a 'w**ker'.

TheMonster

isn't there not something in the charter about "personal abuse" and I believe it also relates to attacks on players

Outbursts of personal abuse/racism etc, be it directed at other board members or at groups of fans or sports personalities people will not be tolerated

Stupid thing to do - he will learn from it. Fergie would have given him a roasting as United were starting to dominate at the time and looked more like winning it. Do think Villareal got away with some attrocious tackles which lead to a lot of frustration.

TheMonster

masterK wrote:

Did anybody attempt to lip read what Ferguson said to Rooney as he was walking off, I'm nearly certain he called him a 'w**ker'.

didn't see it but would imagine thats fairly mild to what he would have said to him in the dressing room.

homerjay2005

TheMonster wrote:

didn't see it but would imagine thats fairly mild to what he would have said to him in the dressing room.

im sure if rooney did say w****r, then this was aimed at the ref....fergie said after the game that he did not know why rooney had been sent off until he saw it on replay, so i doubt fergie was in any position to say anything harsh to rooney when he was walking off....that ref is a prat anyway, same ref that sent off beckham in the world cup, he likes to make his name with big players doesnt he, what will his report say, "i sent him off for applauding me" ? i wonder

Necronomicon

dublindude wrote:

Indeed. He is a scumbag. Sure he beats up his girlfriend. What more evidence do you need?

Evidence of that for one thing.

homerjay2005

id put my house on it that rooney has never laid a finger on his girlfriend, rooney is another mark hughes in the making,a fiery character that gives his all on the field, a quite lad off it..

talla

Rooney may not be the most intelligent of people but as has been pointed out, several people in this thread have breached the charter. Also if some someone posts an allegation like he bneats up his girlfriend, post a link to the original source otherwise boards.ie will be in trouble.

Call_Me_Al banned for a week
Dublindude bnned for a week
Rollo Tamasi banned for a week
All for breaking the charter.



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Banned for sponsoring Rollo Tamasi and Call_Me_Al.
Cannot find any access request for dublindude over the last 2 months.

Guy:Incognito

homerjay2005 wrote:

im sure if rooney did say w****r, then this was aimed at the ref....fergie said after the game that he did not know why rooney had been sent off until he saw it on replay, so i doubt fergie was in any position to say anything harsh to rooney when he was walking off....that ref is a prat anyway, same ref that sent off beckham in the world cup, he likes to make his name with big players doesnt he, what will his report say, "i sent him off for applauding me" ? i wonder

He was dead right to send him off. Its nots like Rooney was applauding him for being a good ref, he was taking the piss. Go into work and do that to your boss and see how long you last. Beckham was right to go, he kicked simeone. He might not have kicked him hard but he kicked him off the ball nonetheless, and you cant just go around kicking players off the ball because you're in a mood.


Bottom line, Rooney was sent off for being a petulant child and taking the piss. Oh and its not like it got him a straight red, it was a yellow, and a deserved one a that. A yellow is a yellow, he just happened to have been booked before. He's going to havbve to cop on, he was being a child in the england game. Theres plety of other players his age in the league who dotn do the things he did. Its not even somthing that, taken away from his game, will make him a worse player. Keane and Cantona had tempers and were firey but that was part of ttheir games, Rooney just a child.

yop

He was stupid for what he did, he dived in on the first challenge, the 2nd was a daft challenge, not sure but maybe the ref booked him for persistent fouling but it has to be said that he let go a lot of over the top tackles.

He is young and has to learn, Keane was the same and he has calmed a lot.

Well done Talla, soccer boards is beginning to go down hill once more with the likes of these guys on board.

Lemlin

Rooney is going to have to learn. He's already caused alot of controversey this season and he needs to learn that he's going to be constantly under the spotlight. Just look at the fuss that his goal celebration at Newcastle caused - do you think the same reaction would of occured if David Connolly had done that at Wigan?

He was lucky not to get sent off against Northern Ireland last week and now he has this week. If he doesn't sort himself out, players are going to set out to wind him up and get him sent off.

The Muppet

yop wrote:

Well done Talla, soccer boards is beginning to go down hill once more with the likes of these guys on board.

Seconded.


Rooney was silly to do what he did bit as I posted last night he is only 19 and is living in a goldfish bowl. He is bound to make mistakes like a lot guys his age do. THeres no need to crucify the guy as I assume he will be in this mornings tabloids. That sort of pressure must be tough to cope with.

talla

With regards to the red card, it was deserved, extremely silly. I'm also kind of glad it happened as well because hes been getting away with it in the premiership for too long as the referee's are way too lenient.

whiskeyman

Whoa, I didnt think this thread was going to explode in such a fashion.
Rooney is no role model gentleman, but you cant call him a "scumbag".
Let me guess, anyone who makes this assumption is getting their info from the high class journalism of the tabloid? Enough said really...

What you have to admit is the man has talent.
Remember a certain Mr Keane in his earlier years? A lot of the same allegations come to mind... looks at him now! Probably one of the most respected players in world football.
Rooney is young... he's got a temper and he needs to control it. He's got the tag and refs are always going to be looking at him more than any other player, so he has to watch it.

He will not go off the rails as some others have said... the game is too big and too professional now. Perhaps in the 80s, but not now. Such a player would be looked after.
He's a valueable asset of a company, and they'll do all they can to help him.
He'll continue to be one of the world best strikes for years to come yet.

(Maybe I better point out, I'm not a Man Utd Fan (actually Sheff Wed), but I respect great skill and talent when I see it.

Just thinking... is soccer the only sport where the officials get such a hard time?
Ok, now and again in tennis we get an "outburst", but no foul language can be used and the player can be severly punished the more it goes on.
I thought FIFA or UEFA had instructed refs to be a lot tougher this year?

Kingp35

The Muppet wrote:

Rooney was silly to do what he did bit as I posted last night he is only 19 and is living in a goldfish bowl. He is bound to make mistakes like a lot guys his age do. THeres no need to crucify the guy as I assume he will be in this mornings tabloids. That sort of pressure must be tough to cope with.

Please point out the other 19 year olds in the Premiership who get sent off as much as Rooney or lose the head as much as Rooney?

He deserved to go simple as that. There is no excuse for what he did and he needs to grow up sooner rather than later

TheMonster

Kingp35 wrote:

Please point out the other 19 year olds in the Premiership who get sent off as much as Rooney or lose the head as much as Rooney?

He deserved to go simple as that. There is no excuse for what he did and he needs to grow up sooner rather than later

Any other 19s that are Englands best player and have their every move scrutined by the tabloids - no didn't think so.

Lemlin

Any other 19s that are Englands best player and have their every move scrutined by the tabloids - no didn't think so.

Michael Owen coped well with it. He's a completely different type of player but he was the same age as Rooney when he came onto the scene.

sharkman

Stekelly wrote:

He was dead right to send him off. Its nots like Rooney was applauding him for being a good ref, he was taking the piss. Go into work and do that to your boss and see how long you last. Beckham was right to go, he kicked simeone. He might not have kicked him hard but he kicked him off the ball nonetheless, and you cant just go around kicking players off the ball because you're in a mood.


Bottom line, Rooney was sent off for being a petulant child and taking the piss. Oh and its not like it got him a straight red, it was a yellow, and a deserved one a that. A yellow is a yellow, he just happened to have been booked before. He's going to havbve to cop on, he was being a child in the england game. Theres plety of other players his age in the league who dotn do the things he did. Its not even somthing that, taken away from his game, will make him a worse player. Keane and Cantona had tempers and were firey but that was part of ttheir games, Rooney just a child.

I agree , and it's a pity he is such a hot head . He has real talent but it is lost when he behaves the way he does . The press should be admiring his skill and not his childish behavior ..

But he only has himself to blame for that , perhaps Sir Alex will eventually whip him into shape . I think the fines the club imposes for that kind of behavior are not enough , 500 quid is nothing to him .

Perhaps Soccer Boot Camp is the next reality TV show we should see !!!

cournioni

masterK wrote:

Did anybody attempt to lip read what Ferguson said to Rooney as he was walking off, I'm nearly certain he called him a 'w**ker'.

He rolled his eyes up to the sky and said "wanker" to Rooney. It was aimed at the ref.

I can't understand why people are calling Rooney a scumbag though. It's not like he broke anyones legs or anything. He gave the referee an ironic clap which he deserved for not pulling up a Villareal player for an earlier challenge on Scholes that lead up to Rooney getting the yellow card.

Big Nelly

You can say all you want about Rooney but he is 19 years old and he will learn because as seen already he has learned alot since fergie got hold of him....it was a yellow after all....not a straight red like Van Persie who nearly beheaded the guy!! everyone here seems to wait to jump on Rooney's back as soon as he does anything and as seen Talla had done well to get rid of a few of these people!! you have to admit he is a great footballer already but is still young and has that street vibe still around where you hit out first talk later!!!!


Best point was made on Sky Sports they mentioned at least Rooney can learn but what about Vieira for Juventus????? this so called man was sent off 10 times in PL and some of them where very serious with long bans and again gets sent off for Juventus! you would think at this stage he would have learnt!! but no!!!

Rooney did something childish but he is a teenager after all!!! Vieira was sent off for spitting and so on and nobody mentions anything about that!! what about his atitude in most of the Man Utd games???? dont start complaining about Rooney because he done something stupid.....look at the real villians in the game!!

Kingp35

PORNAPSTER wrote:

I can't understand why people are calling Rooney a scumbag though. It's not like he broke anyones legs or anything. He gave the referee an ironic clap which he deserved for not pulling up a Villareal player for an earlier challenge on Scholes that lead up to Rooney getting the yellow card.

he deserved? Are you trying to justify what Rooney did? there is no justification in it at all. You cant do those sort of things and Rooney knows this, he deserved to be sent off its as simple as that. Do you agree?

TheMonstor wrote:

Any other 19s that are Englands best player and have their every move scrutined by the tabloids - no didn't think so.

The tabloids would have nothing bad to write about Rooney if he doesnt do the things he does. My point is that no other young player in the premiership acts the way Rooney does or gets sent off as much. I understand he is scrutinised by the press but really that is no excuse. It has been the same for a few years now and always the same thing is said that he is only a young guy. He has been around long enough to have learned by now and yes Michael Owen is a perfect example of how someone who is scrutinised by the press at such a young age should act

cournioni

Lemlin wrote:

Michael Owen coped well with it. He's a completely different type of player but he was the same age as Rooney when he came onto the scene.

The hype and the press around Owen was nothing compared to what Rooney and his girlfriend are getting at the moment, Lemlin. I think the Beckham's would be a better comparison, except Beckham didn't really start getting it until he was engaged to Posh, and he was 24 at the time. Rooney is only 19 going on 20.

TheMonster

Kingp35 wrote:

The tabloids would have nothing bad to write about Rooney if he doesnt do the things he does. My point is that no other young player in the premiership acts the way Rooney does or gets sent off as much. I understand he is scrutinised by the press but really that is no excuse. It has been the same for a few years now and always the same thing is said that he is only a young guy. He has been around long enough to have learned by now and yes Michael Owen is a perfect example of how someone who is scrutinised by the press at such a young age should act

Owen was the darling of the press - they didn't react to him in the same way as they do Rooney.

cournioni

Kingp35 wrote:

he deserved? Are you trying to justify what Rooney did? there is no justification in it at all. You cant do those sort of things and Rooney knows this, he deserved to be sent off its as simple as that. Do you agree?

No I am not, what Rooney did was stupid. But it would have been avoided if the referee had given a free for what was a stonewall free kick on Scholes. That is what caused Rooney to lose his cool.

Thanx 4 The Fish

Because Owen never gave them the opportunity to, he worked hard, was a proffessional and didn't go around acting like a petulant child. What age was Owen when he score that goal against Argentin BTW ? You know the one, voted second best one in the WC ever ? Was it 18 ?

So Rooney has an anger management problem and yet it is the refs fault that he got sent off. Will he react like that next time something unfair happens ? Is it that is innate sense of justice makes him the avenging angel for the whole united team ? Will he do the same to the ref if he misses one of Rooneys bad challenges on somebody and then gives a free to United for something else ?

Keyzer

Extremely talented and gifted footballer.
However, he behaves like a petulant child. He almost got himself sent off against Northern Ireland for that same childish outburts...

I have seen a clip of the incident this morning and he deserved to go.
Ferguson has also refused to defend him, which says something about the lad, given Ferguson usually stands by his players.

If he doesn't sort it out and tone down he's gonna end up with a lot of suspensions...

Necronomicon

Fergie said he'll cut these types of things out of his game as he matures.....while I don't think he'll keep doing stupid things like he did last night, it's not as if he'll completely change character. He has a fiery personality, he always will. This probably won't be his last suspension, but I'm sure all the things he'll continue to bring to United will far outweigh them.

The Muppet

Kingp35 wrote:

he deserved? Are you trying to justify what Rooney did? there is no justification in it at all. You cant do those sort of things and Rooney knows this, he deserved to be sent off its as simple as that. Do you agree?

Get a grip would you. He ironically clapped the ref for a bad decision, He didn't lamp him. It's a passionate game .

_blank_

I've just seen the incident in which Rooney was sent off. Nothing more, nothing less. It was idiotic what he did, and no amount of "the papers give him a hard time" or "the ref should have given a free earlier, so he lost his cool" is going to wash. He was foolish, simple as.

Gileadi

he was just giving the ref some rope to hang him with

if he hadnt acted the prat he wouldnt have been sent off,its funny though that this happened about a week after this incident

http://latestgoals.net/upload/06409cmp2j58.zip

Kingp35

The Muppet wrote:

Get a grip would you. He ironically clapped the ref for a bad decision, He didn't lamp him. It's a passionate game .

I was simply pointing out the fact that he deserved to go. i felt some people here were saying that Rooney was justified in clapping the referee simply because he failed to give Man Utd some free kicks earlier in the game.

cournioni

Thanx 4 The Fish wrote:

Because Owen never gave them the opportunity to, he worked hard, was a proffessional and didn't go around acting like a petulant child. What age was Owen when he score that goal against Argentin BTW ? You know the one, voted second best one in the WC ever ? Was it 18 ?

So Rooney has an anger management problem and yet it is the refs fault that he got sent off. Will he react like that next time something unfair happens ? Is it that is innate sense of justice makes him the avenging angel for the whole united team ? Will he do the same to the ref if he misses one of Rooneys bad challenges on somebody and then gives a free to United for something else ?

As Dunphy pointed out, nice guys always come second. And that is exactly why Owen has never won anything more than Mickey Mouse trophies.

Oh yeah, Rooney gives an ironic clap and he has an anger management problem. Good attempt at putting the ABU shine on your post T4TF... He tried to win the ball back after he felt an injustice had been done. He mistimed his challenge and the referee rightfully gave him a yellow card for the challenge, while Rooney tried to point out the bad challenge on Scholes a few seconds before hand and he then gave him a ironic clap when he didn't listen. Oh yeah, United should throw him into a mental home for clapping at a ref. :rolleyes:

sharkman

PORNAPSTER wrote:

No I am not, what Rooney did was stupid. But it would have been avoided if the referee had given a free for what was a stonewall free kick on Scholes. That is what caused Rooney to lose his cool.

Exactly ... He lost his cool ...Again.

And it his fault , No One Else ..

You can not lay the blame anywher but on poor poor Wayne !

Dcully

LOL Porn ,you do put in some effort to defend any Man u player in any thread here dont you.
How in Gods name can you even attempt to defend Rooney this time is beyond me.

Necronomicon

How many red cards has there been in the Premiership so far this season? Now, each of those probably got a 1-minute analysis on saturday night on match of the day. But because this is Wayne Rooney, turn on the tv or pick up a newspaper this morning and it's plastered all over the place. It was a red card. Nothing more, nothing less. It's not as if it was an on-field stabbing.

Thanx 4 The Fish

Do you have to actually spend alot of time thinking of different ways to try and defend any Man United player who deos wrong ? He was wrong, stupid and got sent off. There was no suggestion, apart from yours, that he deserves to be sent to an institution but he does get wound up very easily and people will take advantage of it if they know that they can, missing him for a couple of games now too, is he good enough at United that you would ba happy to have him play one game out of every three ? Sitting out two out of those three through Red cards ? It is a bit far fetched but if everybody thinks that they can get a rise out of rooney then they will do it and if he is again as UTTERLY STUPID as he was last night then he will get sent off every time, and goopd luck to him I say, there is no need for him to change, he is a hot blooded young player who has won No major trophies and costs his team games, I can see a long and fruitful career ahead for him...

yop

Please point out the other 19 year olds in the Premiership who get sent off as much as Rooney

Since you know so much about Rooneys career, tell us how many times he has been sent off, then tell us how many 19 year olds play full time in the PL.

A Leeds man talking about dirty players!! thats a first when you consider Leeds invented the term!

Kingp35

yop wrote:

A Leeds man talking about dirty players!! thats a first when you consider Leeds invented the term!

Who exactly invented it?

BaZmO*

Gileadi wrote:

http://latestgoals.net/upload/06409cmp2j58.zip

Ha ha, that's hilarious. But it does illustrate the point that you can't get away with that sort of thing in today's game.

I actually can't believe this this thread has gone on for so long. The fact of the matter is, everybody knows what he done was wrong, Fergie himself even said so. There is absolutely no justification for what he done even if Scholes was fouled beforehand or Collette was pictured in Heat magazine the day before having the fat sucked out of her belly. That's the modern game. You disrespect the ref, you get punished.

Fair enough that he's under a ridiculous amount of pressure from the media (something I wouldn't care too much for myself) but I think I could live with it if I had STG£100K being lodged in my bank account every week for my troubles.

The most annoying thing last night, as a Utd. fan, was the fact that we actually looked like we would've knicked the win if he hadn't of been sen off.

B.

Dempsey

Wayne Rooney = Paul Gascoigne II

With the media hype and the way he's being played out of positon. Its goin to happen all over again. Talented Youngster but he does awfully stupid things for a footballer. You mock the referee, who do ya think is going to win?

The Muppet

LOL @ the " You can't defend Rooneys Actions " Armchair Brigade , They've obviously never played competitive sport.

MrJoeSoap

It was just Rooney getting annoyed, trying to show he was immune to punishment, getting sent off and sulking. Of course you can defend it, say he is young, needs to mature etc...

Fact is, you can't deny it was stupid.

Guy:Incognito

The Muppet wrote:

LOL @ the " You can't defend Rooneys Actions " Armchair Brigade , They've obviously never played competitive sport.

Or maybe they didnt do anything so stupid and immature while playing professional sport.

yop

Anyone who tries to defend it are blinkered, he has bags of talent but what he gained in talent he obviously lacks in brain power, he has been sent of once in the PL, how this be seen as someone who is a dirty player is laughable, he plays on the line, he tackles on the line, he is lucky not to have crossed that line more than once.

He deserved to get sent off last nite, if he learns from it fair enough, players get sent off big deal, the difference between him and any other is that he is one of the best young players in the PL if not Europe.

Won't be the last time he will be in the headlines.

Guy:Incognito

yop wrote:

Anyone who tries to defend it are blinkered, he has bags of talent but what he gained in talent he obviously lacks in brain power, he has been sent of once in the PL, how this be seen as someone who is a dirty player is laughable, he plays on the line, he tackles on the line, he is lucky not to have crossed that line more than once.

He deserved to get sent off last nite, if he learns from it fair enough, players get sent off big deal, the difference between him and any other is that he is one of the best young players in the PL if not Europe.

Won't be the last time he will be in the headlines.

Does he not have the same amount of yellows as goals in his career or something like that?