Supporting Metallica - Am i the last one left?

Mr. Brownstone

Metallica are true living legends. They may have lost their way on certain things and made some mistakes but in a career that spans over 20years and counting, it's expected. They've been top of the pile in metal since 'Puppets' and people have always waited for the slightest thing to criticise them over.
Like the Simpsons thing they're just joining a long list of musicians to appear on one of the worlds most loved T.V shows like Aerosmith, Smashing Pumpkins, the Stones and many more.
They're music has always evolved on each album which I think is excellent as it keeps expanding their sound. It also makes it hard to find two 'Tallica albums that sound the same(bare the Load sessions) which differs them from most of the metal pack.
Metallica wil alsosurpass ''flavour of the month'' trends and bands Like ''Hair rock'', ''Grunge'', ''Brit-Pop''. Most bands will not be remembered in 20years never mind still be around.
Metallica have more than earned respect from every musician,music fan and especially metal fans.
Next time some thinks about slagging them of they should think about the first time they heard the intro riff to 'Seek and destroy' or the bass solo from 'Orion' or the excitement that fills the metal world when a Metallica album is on the brink of been released.

And all you Metallica critics who bad mouth the band 'METAL UP YOUR ASS'!

John

Mr. Brownstone wrote:

Metallica are true living legends. They may have lost their way on certain things and made some mistakes but in a career that spans over 20years and counting, it's expected. They've been top of the pile in metal since 'Puppets' and people have always waited for the slightest thing to criticise them over.

I don't call a slew of awful recordings "the slightest thing". What about Iron Maiden, Motorhead, King Crimson and The Melvins? They've all been going at least for 20 years (many more for most of them) and they have kept far more artistic integrity than Metallica. They all rock as hard as they used to without pandering to fads (St Anger could have been written by any second rate nu metal band).

They're music has always evolved on each album which I think is excellent as it keeps expanding their sound. It also makes it hard to find two 'Tallica albums that sound the same(bare the Load sessions) which differs them from most of the metal pack.

Yes it did change, not hugely significantly and not always for the best.

Metallica wil alsosurpass ''flavour of the month'' trends and bands Like ''Hair rock'', ''Grunge'', ''Brit-Pop''. Most bands will not be remembered in 20years never mind still be around.

Of course they will, that's the very nature of fad bands, they are just a fad. And it's sad that Metallica have shat on their own legacy. Instead of bowing out gracefully they have chosen to continue and have shown themselves up.

Metallica have more than earned respect from every musician,music fan and especially metal fans.

Metallica up as far as Load deserve respect. After that (and barring S&M as I said earlier) they lost all respect from me. I'd much rather listen to bands that are pushing the boundaries and keeping things fresh like Mastodon, Neurosis, SunnO))), Khanate, Opeth and Fantomas.

Necronomicon

Early Metallica albums are still among my favourite. I find the new stuff listenable to be honest...I might be swayed by the fact that they blew me away live, and I do think they are still up there with the best of them in terms of putting on a show. I find that songs you think are 'alright' become unreal when you're having one hell of a time in a huge crowd with a brilliant atmosphere.

Doctor J wrote:

Honestly, this year I've seen Mastodon and Nevermore who I respect greatly and look forward to seeing again in the years to come.

Unfortunately it was Mastodon's performance that got me really into Mastodon, so I can't even remember their setlist Wish I could go back and see them but be at this stage of loving them. Ah well, they most certainly have a long, fruitful career ahead of them, can't wait to see them again.

tj-music.com

Motley Crue wrote:

im sick and tired of people slagging metallica, im absolutely pissed off about the amount of abuse this band takes.QUOTE]

I sympathy with you in so many ways. Being the "last KISS fan alive", I believe, I can tell you that KISS is at least taking the same amount of abuse if not worse.

I don't know enough about Metallica to really know the state they are in at the moment but you're dead right: If someone doesn't like the band, **** off, and leave the real fans alone.

I am going to see KISS/Alice Cooper Drummer Eric Singer in the UK in November (www.kissexpo.co.uk) and I am sure there will be a full house.

Metallica still has a following and "nothing else matters".

pbsuxok1znja4r

I actually really like both Load and Reload, and the Black album is by far my favourite. There's always one, eh? The vocals on RTL and KEA weren't the best, IMO, and vocals matter quite a lot to me. Hetfield remains my favourite vocalist of all time, even after St. Anger. I believe the only reason that St. Anger was salvaged into anything any way listenable was because of Bob Rock. St. anger could have been so so much worse than it was. I mean, did you hear them rehearsing that "Temptation" song that James came up with? Awful, really awful stuff. St. Anger was still better than your average metal record, but hopefully Kirk will be playing some lead guitar next time 'round.
Metallica have had my support for 6 years now, and it will take alot more than (IMO) one sub-par album to change that. Still the best metal band around.

Motley Crue

I agree with the good Doctor totally that there needs to be more tollerance and acceptance of new acts, because there are great new acts out there. the only problem is the fact that everyone keeps telling you the new acts are going to be the next metallica, and sometimes they even say it themselves (trivium and BFMV both said in interviews in Metal Hammer that they were the next metallica) and this just ruins a bands credibility straight away. they may have the music, and the **** to back it up, but most really decent good bands that became legends like Metallica, Slayer, Anthrax, Faith No More, Alice in Chains, Guns N Roses, Motley Crue, Van Halen, REM and the list is endless. Most of those bands started off playing covers in some dive of a place for **** money, and nobody taught they would do anything, except themselves!

Trivium may aspire to be the next metallica, but VERY FEW bands with that amount of hype surrounding their early recordings ever had a successful carrer for 20 yrs afterwards. The Rolling Stones did, Metallica didnt, the Beatles did, Guns N Roses didnt etc etc

Doctor J

Motley Crue wrote:

VERY FEW bands with that amount of hype surrounding their early recordings ever had a successful carrer for 20 yrs afterwards

Spot on. In fairness though, Metallica didn't really have a lot of hype (in a mainstream media sense) until prior to the release of the Black album. They were allowed to develop as a band outside of intense media scrutiny. I feel sorry for any new band who are touted as the "next big thing" so early in their career as it usually ends in tears shortly afterwards.

And any band who says "we're the next..." just gets scratched out of my list, self-belief is essential but arrogance at such an early stage is unforgiveable.

blastman

OLDYELLAR wrote:

I think I got more respect for Lars after that actually.

Fair enough, I think it sounded he was reciting something the record company PR guy was feeding him and I despised him for it.

Don't get me wrong, I liked the music and had bought pretty much all the albums up to St. Anger, seen them live, etc. I just felt that there were better ways to address the Napster issue. So they lost my money anyway. I know they won't notice, but why give someone your money when they think you're a thief?

Motley Crue

I had a taught about this all the other day, and ive been wondering something thats gonna kill me. What if metallica NEVER wanted to be as popular as they were when the black album came out. Cliff Burton said in his last interview that he never wished to be overly famous, and he said this was the universal feeling of the band. When Burton died, they picked a younger bass player from a relatively unknown band when they could have auditioned for months and taken their time. When they released the black album, they became HUGE, and that has carried them through the past 14 years. However, in Lars interview with Metal Hammer back in March, he said that he likes the fact hes not so famous that he cant go down to the local shops, or take the dog for a walk. he likes the fact that, really, a lot of people either dont know, dont care or dont give a **** that hes lars ulrich of metallica.

what im wondering is, did metallica ever want to be as famous as they were?

cournioni

Doctor J wrote:

Worms. Can of. Opening.

Indeed.

merlinsmerryman and BrokenArrow... I don't really want to waste either my time or your own by arguing, but just look into Metallica's history with Megadeth's Dave Mustaine, you'll see what I mean.

Undergod

I like Metallica for the most part. Lars is a tool. I don't just mean the Napster thing, but he does come across as a jackass in most things I've seen.

I don't like Black Album(overproduced) or Load much, but I think Reload is a great album, even it is differnt from their roots. S&M could have been better but I think it still stands as evdience to the great epic sound they are capable of.
St.Anger was, of course, a bloody abomination. I'd rather they break up now while they have some integrity left than release another St.Anger.

christophicus

I dont slag them and i never liked them ,they just didnt appeal to me.

pyure

loved em for years, still do but probally not as much
st anger sounds more like a hetfield solo record than a metallica one, but thats just me.
haven't been bothered to get either cunning stunts or some kind of monster.

would still buy a new studio record tho
but then again im still looking forward to the new guns and roses record.

projectmayhem

i wouldn't say i hate metallica or anything but i have a strong disliking for them. the whole napster thing left a sour taste in my mouth. it probably would have washed away had st.anger been good. but we all know, it was a stinker with 2 moderately audable tunes

Sarky

Pretty much what Doctor J said. I loved S&M, and I still have a soft spot for a couple of tunes off Load and Reload, but what they've been at recently I just cannot listen to. St. Anger is an auditory abortion, pure and simple. I adore most of their earlier stuff, and regularly listen to it, but a new album is going to have to work harder for me to buy it.

paulmartin

I can understand why people critisice metallica's latest stuff, but what annoys me is critisicm of the black album. For me its at least as good as mop or rtl. enter sandman, nothing else matters and the unforgiven are three of my favourite songs ever, a trio of songs up there with anything any other band has produced on one album. The album was the first to feature all four members writing and recording together and thus produced some of Kirk Hammett's greatest moments, the riff to enter sandman (one of the greatest riffs of all time) and my favourite solo ever in the unforgiven. Sad but true was another great song, and songs like wherever I may roam and of wolf and man were at least worthwhile. The lyrics aren't near as good as before, the album probably could have been compressed to 8 or 9 songs like all the previous albums and there is some filler, but rtl also had a couple of duds, although MOP is totally consistent and that's why i think its their best, but the black album is still brilliant. I certainly don't believe it was a sellout album. What, should an incredible song like Nothing Else Matters be left out because it's too quiet for some fans? It was a spontaneous tune that Hetfield wrote, it wasn't like"ok, lets write a full power ballad". I don't think the intention was just to sell more records. On ATJL, they had brought everything Metallica were about to its most extreme level, and i think they realised they had brought it as far as they could. A riff like Enter Sandman might not have worked on the kind of songs they had been doing before.

It wasn't me!

The riff to Enter Sandman gets very irritating, very fast.

cournioni

Most of the riffs on that album in general are very irritating.

Duggy747

Metallica are one of my favourite bands, they defined the trail of greatness left by Black Sabbath, Zeppelin and Deep Purple and moulded it into a wee thing called........Metal. Metallica created ****ing great riffs, superb solos and just all round music that made you proud to be a man and a metal-lover. I don't like this crap were people say ****e like "Metallica were ****e but I love their ST.Anger album" (Okay, you're opinion dosen't count here band-wagon boy.) For anyone into Metal or Rock you AT LEAST have to have the respect for what Metallica did for music. I was turned off Metallica when Load showed it's face, didn't like one song on that album et all! Reload was, meh. I liked the S&M album cuz some of the songs went bloody brilliant with the orcesthra (For Whom The Bells Toll especially, perfect if you were a God destroying a planet) St.Anger I was disappointed a bit but at least it was step in the right direction. The problem with that album was that the song were too raw and the choice of drums Lars chose were a monstrosity though 2 or 3 songs are actually alright on it. But, for me Master Of Puppets and Kill 'Em All are my favourite albums. Metallica were the greatest metal band ever, I'm just sad at the direction they took. (10 years ago the crap they talked about in interviews would put the ****s up ya! Lars on about how great Oasis are? Saying they don't want to be called metal!?! Cor!!) Hopefully they can recitify something if they let Kirk back on his solo's where he belongs, he's cack at singing. As the for Napster tripe, truley disappointed in that. Christ, there's Lars up his own arse again. Anywho, long live Metallica, I'll always stand by them (They only reason I picked up the guitar)

cournioni

Duggy747 wrote:

For anyone into Metal or Rock you AT LEAST have to have the respect for what Metallica did for music.

Why? Because they stole songs from other musicians? Because they decided to sue Napster, something that was bringing music to people all over the world? I seem to remember that the exchange of demo tapes was how Metallica and other bands in the thrash scene was how these guys made their names.

I'm sorry but I can't bring myself to say that I respect them. I can hardly even listen to them any more. I find as people say "what they have done for metal" repulsive to say the least.

Duggy747

I seem to remember that the exchange of demo tapes was how Metallica and other bands in the thrash scene was how these guys made their names.

I agree with you completely, I think any band that has a big agenda with MP3's and begin sueing their own fans are idiotic bastardz. Like you said it's kinda funny considering they used to throw their bootlegs out to people after a live show. I don't like Lars and James is like his bitch, but I don't think they can be faulted on the music they produced during the 80's, main reason I'm playing the guitar. Anyways, have has a different taste in music especially in metal, you don't have to like them.
Anywho what do you mean they stole songs from other people?

cournioni

Duggy747 wrote:

Anywho what do you mean they stole songs from other people?

There was a number of songs on K'EA (four I think), two songs on RTL and maybe one song on MOP that were written by Dave Mustaine of Megadeth. Most of which are partly written by him I must say but there is one song that was written by him in full and that was The Four Horsemen. Hetfield just changed the lyrics. Check out Mechanix by Megadeth if you want an example of this.

Mustaine told Metallica not to use his songs, but they went ahead and recorded them anyway.

SirLemonhead

Don't forget Hugh Tanner! wrote or co-wrote a few songs on Kill Em All...Hit the lights for one I think, motorbreath too?

senordingdong

Nah, you're not alone.

There was about 35,000 of us at each of the gigs, so rest easy, yeah?

paulmartin

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Most of the riffs on that album in general are very irritating.

It wasn't me! wrote:

The riff to Enter Sandman gets very irritating, very fast

Just because a riff hasn't got a million palm-muted e's doesn't make it irritating. I would much rather listen to enter sandman or sad but true than fight fire with fire

Bartonprince

i saw em twice, once live in earls court in london for the release of lead, and once there about a year ago in the RDS... they kicked the hole's off everyone both times. I have moved on in my musical taste to say the least.. but hearing "One" still makes the hair stand up on my neck!!!

Somnus

i saw them in the RDS aswell, dont like them as much now but they still put on a decent show

cournioni

paulmartin wrote:

Just because a riff hasn't got a million palm-muted e's doesn't make it irritating. I would much rather listen to enter sandman or sad but true than fight fire with fire

That is your opinion. I find them very irritating.

It wasn't me!

Fight Fire With Fire is an outstanding song! It kicks the hole off Enter Sandman!

fro46_2

hey i think they're great even thought i'm not a fan. I don't have any of their albums , but what i hear on the radio sounds good.