New Irish Political Party

Nevada

I Had A Dream

Would be interesting to discuss policies for a new Irish political party with a right/nationalist perspective.

Issues to put to the electorate would be a smashing of the asylum racket, keeping all those seeking asylum in one place at a reduced cost to all of us.

Protecting irish jobs and offering our people a referendum on continuing with the EU.

Financially encouraging irish families to have more children and fully subsidizing childcare.

Controlling immigration from eastern Europe, and abolishing the RTE tv licence.

Offer 3 candidates in each constituency 1,2,3. We would have such a victory of representation that would remove all trace of FF/FG/PD/SF/LAB from Dail Eireann.

We retake our parliament and our country spreading wealth to all 5 our million citizens.

This New, rich and equitable Ireland might even turn the heads of our Unionist brothers and sisters, Comrades all

Meh

Nevada wrote:

Protecting irish jobs and offering our people a referendum on continuing with the EU.

We retake our parliament and our country spreading wealth to all 5 our million citizens.

If you're going to leave the EU and reintroduce 1950s-style policies like economic protectionism then there's not going to be much wealth to spread around.

magpie

If this new National Bocialist party will scrap Council Housing, do away with Trade Unions and suppress the Catholic Church you've got my vote.

Sponge Bob

Call It the piss off party so that when I answer the door to them (by accident) and say piss off the answer is "Yes" with a smile .

otherwise meet Áine from Ennis for a tete a tete

Sarsfield

Organisations like that crop up all the time. The immigration control/God squad types. (and TV licence???)

They never get anywhere because ordinary people aren't interested in extremism. They also realise how insane these fantasies are. Ireland's wealth and success is hugely dependant on EU membership and immigration.

Generally, the smaller the country, the more important it is to be an integral part of the international community, for social and trade reasons.

billy the squid

Nevada wrote:

I Had A Dream

Would be interesting to discuss policies for a new Irish political party with a right/nationalist perspective.

Issues to put to the electorate would be a smashing of the asylum racket, keeping all those seeking asylum in one place at a reduced cost to all of us.

Making the assylum process would be more efficient than locking people up in concentration camps. but this new right wing party of yours would become like every other party and just keep the status quo once they realise the inefficiencies of the current system keeps people in cushy well paid positions.

Protecting irish jobs and offering our people a referendum on continuing with the EU.

Also you might want to consider the posibility that if we were to add taxes to foreign products those countries would more-than-likely reciprocate, try selling stuff to other countries then.

While there are employers who employers who will only employ foreign nationals because they will work for less, there are employers who will only employ foreign nationals because, a) irish people expect to be paid too much which the employer cannot afford or b) Irish people are lazy.

Financially encouraging irish families to have more children and fully subsidizing childcare.

It is hard enough to get irish people to work for what employers are paying now, can you imagine how hard it would be if you were to increase taxes to pay for all of this?

Controlling immigration from eastern Europe, and abolishing the RTE tv licence.

What is so different about the people from Eastern Europe of today and the Irish of the 1970? We were not to slow to take money from Europe when we needed it, we can't just tell europe to **** off now that they need our assistance. that would be just rude, and would make us a pariah state with governments and potential tourists alike.

Offer 3 candidates in each constituency 1,2,3. We would have such a victory of representation that would remove all trace of FF/FG/PD/SF/LAB from Dail Eireann.

What colour shirts would your bootboys wear?

We retake our parliament and our country spreading wealth to all 5 our million citizens.

I doubt very much that the country would be interested in going back to the days of Franco/Hitler/Musolini. In order to take back this country you would neet a mandate and a hell of a lot of (insert colour) shirts to do it.

This New, rich and equitable Ireland might even turn the heads of our Unionist brothers and sisters, Comrades all

They might roll their eyes but head turning is a little ambitious.

landser

don't we have the PD's for this sort of thing.

either way you can have my vote. i don't agree with everything you say, but, then again, there is never 100% consensus in any party e.g. the Tv Licence. Call it the Irish Party

Irl is awash with social democratic parties and leftist ideology, it'd be nice to have another party of the right.

Magpie, do you honestly feel that the catholic church still has such power that it needs to be supressed? the church has no longer any power in this country; we now all pray to the currency almighty: for good or ill, this is the case imo. If you just want them supressed because you don't agree with their dictats, then presumably you want to do away with all religion: imagine it, it's easy if you try.

Sarsfield, the irish aren;t interested in extremism??? so, Sinn Fein are a figment of my imagination then, and IRA is the Irish Ramblers Association? It is unlikely that such a party ould ever get into power, even in a coalition, yet as we've seen from the fringe left, that does not mean that their voices would not be heard and that they would not have an influence on policy

tim3115

While there are employers who employers who will only employ foreign nationals because they will work for less, there are employers who will only employ foreign nationals because, a) irish people expect to be paid too much which the employer cannot afford or b) Irish people are lazy.

Eh, look at what the Isle of Man have achieved. I know it's tiny in comparasion, but the facts are there. And quit using the old 'Irish people are lazy' talk. Irish people cannot afford to take jobs that offer crap money to them. Eastern Europeans love to that this little opportunity as they will be only here temporarily. That's where the country is so wrong that it's just shameful.

tim3115

Sinn Fein are a figment of my imagination then, and IRA is the Irish Ramblers Association? It is unlikely that such a party ould ever get into power, even in a coalition, yet as we've seen from the fringe left, that does not mean that their voices would not be heard and that they would not have an influence on policy

SF advocate immigration which just baffles me. I'm pretty sure they'll have nothing to do with Ireland, ever.

tim3115

I doubt very much that the country would be interested in going back to the days of Franco/Hitler/Musolini. In order to take back this country you would neet a mandate and a hell of a lot of (insert colour) shirts to do it.

You'd be surprised at how many people would like to go back to those days. It's just that in today's world, people are afraid to speak out. I've looked at many documentaries, and there are a good few German's who admitted that life was great back in the days of the reich.

billy the squid

tim3115 wrote:

You'd be surprised at how many people would like to go back to those days. It's just that in today's world, people are afraid to speak out. I've looked at many documentaries, and there are a good few German's who admitted that life was great back in the days of the reich.

how many of them were jewish?

Irish people cannot afford to take jobs that offer crap money to them. Eastern Europeans love to that this little opportunity as they will be only here temporarily. That's where the country is so wrong that it's just shameful.

Foreign nationals pay the same rents, taxes and bills as us when they are here, if they can manage on lower wages then why can we not?

Not everyone starts in a cushy well paid job, most people started their careers in low paid jobs until they gained enough experience and training and then move on to better paying jobs. so saying that foreign nationals come here for a few months and then move on is a bit of a cop out. all irish people would have to do is start off in the lower paying jobs and then move on to better paying jobs, but no, they want to go straight into the better paying jobs straight away.

Sarsfield

landser wrote:

Sarsfield, the irish aren;t interested in extremism??? so, Sinn Fein are a figment of my imagination then,

And they're moving steadily towards the mainstream

landser wrote:

and IRA is the Irish Ramblers Association?

That's pretty much all they can do since last weekend - their old activities being somewhat curtailed by decommissioning

Both examples making my point that the number of extremists is dwindling and as a nation we're very much 'steady-as-she-goes'. The reason? Success! We have money now. And with that (and liberalism) have the freedom to enjoy our lives as we choose. Extremism is for those who want things to change greatly and quickly. The marginalised and disenfranchised. These are reducing in numbers (although sadly the level of marginalisation has increased in terms of the gap between rich and poor). The marginalised will possibly move towards the extremes but they will be fewer and fewer. Not only that, but half will move towards the left (Joe Higgins & SF) and only half will move to the right (immigration control). So the level of support for the OPs proposal would be minimal.

bonkey

That's where the country is so wrong that it's just shameful.

Given that Ireland is still ticking along at more-or-less Full Employment, exactly what is shameful? That we're not paying these immigrants full whack to work the jobs that we don't have the population to fill if they weren't working them?

You're saying that you think it would be better if the cost of living for Irish people went up by paying these immigrants more?

Or...I know...we could get rid of the immigrants (what with them coming over here, stealing our jobs & women etc)...which would leave us with staffing shortages and higher prices because the Irish who did work them would still demand higher salaries.

SF advocate immigration which just baffles me.

In Ireland's current economic situation, there isn't a single economic reason to oppose immigration. I can't understand how it baffles you that SF aren't basing their stance on some sort of xenophobic reasoning, but are rather taking a pragmatic view of whats best for the country with this issue.

Or is it that they're looking at economics instead of some old starry-eyed vision of virgins dancing at the crossroads by moonlight when deciding our future that baffles you?

jc

tim3115

how many of them were jewish?

None? I know it's hard to believe this, but they are actually a minority group. Surprise, surprise.

Foreign nationals pay the same rents, taxes and bills as us when they are here, if they can manage on lower wages then why can we not?

Pay the same rents? Many cases show where there are more people living in houses than there should be, making use of any space they can find. Say they do pay the same etc, they don't suffer the same as Irish people as the Irish stay here, live here for good. They're the ones that are affected long term.

so saying that foreign nationals come here for a few months and then move on is a bit of a cop out.

You mean it's the truth.

whats best for the country

As they see it, not everyone views the world like that you know. As I mentioned earlier, Isle of Man try their utmost to get Manx working. Why it isn't done here, I don't know.

Sarsfield

tim3115 wrote:

None? I know it's hard to believe this, but they are actually a minority group. Surprise, surprise.

So it's not immigration you have a problem with, it's minorities?

What about Irish minorities? Travellers, Protestants, black Irish?

billy the squid

tim3115 wrote:

None? I know it's hard to believe this, but they are actually a minority group. Surprise, surprise.

Or perhaps their experience of the reich wasn't very pleasant living in places like Awshwitz and seeing their family members being gasses and experinmentted on and all. oh and spare me the revisionist speel.

Pay the same rents? Many cases show where there are more people living in houses than there should be, making use of any space they can find.

and how does them sharing houses affect you. students share houses so what.

Say they do pay the same etc, they don't suffer the same as Irish people as the Irish stay here, live here for good. They're the ones that are affected long term.

All the more reason for them to get up off their arse and find a job. start at the bottom and work their way up. Do you think that eastern european people, which now alot of them share the same status as us as EU citezens, just walk into cushy jobs when they go home.

You mean it's the truth.

no its a cop out. if it were the truth i would have said it was the truth. I didnt.

As they see it, not everyone views the world like that you know. As I mentioned earlier, Isle of Man try their utmost to get Manx working. Why it isn't done here, I don't know.

It has been tried here. FAS schemes, the back to work scheme, massive tax incentives for overseas employers to come here and give us employment. there is always going to be that group at the bottom of the barrel who, no matter what you do, will never work for the same rates that non-nationals are willing to work for.. we have reached that area of the barrel and need labour forces from elswhere.

These people are the ones who will come in looking for "a letter for the dole to say they are looking for work" and then bitch about a black face behind the counter in a shop on tuesday.

Meh

tim3115 wrote:

Pay the same rents? Many cases show where there are more people living in houses than there should be, making use of any space they can find. Say they do pay the same etc, they don't suffer the same as Irish people as the Irish stay here, live here for good. They're the ones that are affected long term.

So what's your problem with this? If a bunch of Polish lads over from Gdansk to earn a few euros want to sleep four to a room, it's no skin off my nose.

seedot

I Had A Dream

And what a dream

Would be interesting to discuss policies for a new Irish political party with a right/nationalist perspective.

would indeed

Issues to put to the electorate would be a smashing of the asylum racket, keeping all those seeking asylum in one place at a reduced cost to all of us.

Open borders would smash the asylum racket. It would also have the lowest cost. But it is in danger of being equitable, increasing assimilation and wealth on the island. Concentration camps are far preferable.

Protecting irish jobs and offering our people a referendum on continuing with the EU.

Because if they're not pure Irish jobs, we don't want them. Get away with your EU driven economic growth and EU funded infrastructure.

Financially encouraging irish families to have more children and fully subsidizing childcare.

Brave new world style mass rearing of children can allow us to reclaim our major export markets that worked so well from the foundations of the state - people and cows.

Controlling immigration from eastern Europe, and abolishing the RTE tv licence.

The TV license is of course part of the multiculturalist plot to destroy Ireland. Look at the name on the front of your TV - Toshiba, Hitachi, Phillips - all foreign names. All communication should be via a network of shebeens and carried out through the medium of fiddle music. As for those east europeans - have you seen their women? How can any Irish Cailin hope to compete with that lot dancing at the crossroads.

Offer 3 candidates in each constituency 1,2,3. We would have such a victory of representation that would remove all trace of FF/FG/PD/SF/LAB from Dail Eireann.

Is this some type of covert green party plot? Environmentalism is another foreign import I'll have you know. And what about the five seat constituencies - who knows who might get in if we don't offer a fuller slate.

We retake our parliament and our country spreading wealth to all 5 our million citizens.

As long as I'm one of the 5, I agree fully.

This New, rich and equitable Ireland might even turn the heads of our Unionist brothers and sisters, Comrades all

United in A strange and unique Use of Capital letters

tim3115

Do you think that eastern european people, which now alot of them share the same status as us as EU citezens, just walk into cushy jobs when they go home.

They probably set up some ATM scam.

If a bunch of Polish lads over from Gdansk to earn a few euros want to sleep four to a room, it's no skin off my nose.

And that's where the problem lies. That's why Ireland is of more benefit to people thousands of miles away than our own blood here. You not think it should be the other way round?

seeing their family members being gasses and experinmentted on and all. oh and spare me the revisionist speel.

Oh and spare me your inaccuracies.

billy the squid

tim3115 wrote:

They probably set up some ATM scam.

A sweeping generalisation if ever I saw one.

So you believe that only foreigners are responsible for crime in ireland. now who is being inaccurate. names such as The General, The Viper, The Monk The Westies, spring to mind, and that is just Dublin.

And that's where the problem lies. That's why Ireland is of more benefit to people thousands of miles away than our own blood here. You not think it should be the other way round?

It was the other way around 20 years ago, Countries thousands of miles away being of benifit to the irish. Can you tell me which time period has seen the country better off, the 1980s or today.

Oh and spare me your inaccuracies.

i suggest you google "final soloution" and "nazis" then come back and tell me who is inaccurate.

Sarsfield

tim3115 wrote:

And that's where the problem lies. That's why Ireland is of more benefit to people thousands of miles away than our own blood here. You not think it should be the other way round?

Yes, I think you should move to Gdansk

Meh

tim3115 wrote:

And that's where the problem lies. That's why Ireland is of more benefit to people thousands of miles away than our own blood here. You not think it should be the other way round?

Not sure what you mean here, "it should be the other way round". You want me to move to Gdansk and share a room with three other Irish blokes?

oscarBravo

tim3115 wrote:

That's why Ireland is of more benefit to people thousands of miles away than our own blood here.

My blood is fine, thanks.

rsynnott

"I am not a racialist, but, and zis is a BIG but, die National Bocialist Party says..."

tim3115 wrote:

You'd be surprised at how many people would like to go back to those days. It's just that in today's world, people are afraid to speak out. I've looked at many documentaries, and there are a good few German's who admitted that life was great back in the days of the reich.

Ah, I see I was correct.

tim3115 wrote:

None? I know it's hard to believe this, but they are actually a minority group. Surprise, surprise.

That makes murder acceptable, yes? Amazing. And what about gay people, communists, minority races?

tim3115 wrote:

Oh and spare me your inaccuracies.

Sorry, what? Are you a holocaust denier?

I think you'd better head back over to stormforce.

tim3115

That makes murder acceptable, yes? Amazing.

What are you on about? We were talking about the people who were interviewed. You really have to read the whole thing to understand it. Sit back down there..

And what about gay people, communists, minority races?

What about them?

Sorry, what? Are you a holocaust denier?

I wasn't the one who brought up Hitler and co, billy did. Are you trying to lay something on me here? What exactly are you trying to 'prove'? History says that the holocaust concerned Jews, what have Jews got to do with this thread?

It was the other way around 20 years ago, Countries thousands of miles away being of benifit to the irish. Can you tell me which time period has seen the country better off, the 1980s or today.

Are you looking to the future at all?

Anyways, self determination etc

AndyWarhol

magpie wrote:

If this new National Bocialist party will scrap Council Housing, do away with Trade Unions and suppress the Catholic Church you've got my vote.

Why would you want to suppress the Catholic Church?

black_jack

tim3115 wrote:

What are you on about? We were talking about the people who were interviewed. You really have to read the whole thing to understand it. Sit back down there..

People, interviewed, whut, seriously? Where?

What about them?

That maybe the millions dead, might not as you claim, look back fondly on the reich. Saying, some people might have liked the reich is like saying hey some people like North Korea, if you poll only the family and cohorts of Kim Jung Sung.

I wasn't the one who brought up Hitler and co, billy did. Are you trying to lay something on me here? What exactly are you trying to 'prove'? History says that the holocaust concerned Jews, what have Jews got to do with this thread?

You're the one who said many people liked the reich, billy merely wryly pointed out how many of those people were jewish?

Are you looking to the future at all?

Anyways, self determination etc

What self determination etc? what on earth are you on about.

rsynnott

AndyWarhol wrote:

Why would you want to suppress the Catholic Church?

Because it eats babies, naturally.

Although I'm not keen on the church and certainly think it should have no involvement with the state, I would be against suppressing it.

And who is that on your avatar, btw? I don't recall.

rsynnott

black_jack wrote:

That maybe the millions dead, might not as you claim, look back fondly on the reich. Saying, some people might have liked the reich is like saying hey some people like North Korea, if you poll only the family and cohorts of Kim Jung Sung.


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And, of course, connoisseurs of ugly architecture and really deep subways.

AndyWarhol

rsynnott wrote:

Because it eats babies, naturally.

Well if anything, they protect babies. Liberals like you would prefer to kill off the unborn if it suited.

rsynnott wrote:

Although I'm not keen on the church and certainly think it should have no involvement with the state, I would be against suppressing it.

One has to remember where 'the state' comes from; it has its basis in a christian moral framework that has very christian-like laws that are very unlike the states that have evolved in the middle east for example. The relationship between church and state is a complex one and you can't just have the idealised utopia that is a clean church-state decoupling. These days we all seem to have our own moral set, but in general, these morals are all very similar to a 'Christian doctrine'.

rsynnott wrote:

And who is that on your avatar, btw? I don't recall.

It's the grim reaper. We're all going to die one day you know.

Souless

AndyWarhol wrote:

Well if anything, they protect babies. Liberals like you would prefer to kill off the unborn if it suited.


One has to remember where 'the state' comes from; it has its basis in a christian moral framework that has very christian-like laws that are very unlike the states that have evolved in the middle east for example. The relationship between church and state is a complex one and you can't just have the idealised utopia that is a clean church-state decoupling. These days we all seem to have our own moral set, but in general, these morals are all very similar to a 'Christian doctrine'.

Sorry is it just me or does the French state seem to work just fine even though the church and state affairs were seperated many years ago...Not sure of the exact date Im afriad but it was around the end of the 19th century and the begining of the 20th ie (1880-1905)

Anyway with that said im not against the church. I Believe that they certainly have the right to practice their beliefs with out being condemned or banned, even if I disagree with alot of them.

As for the comment you made about abortions this isnt a thread that has anything to do with that it is a politics thread.