Petition (lets get started!)

BoneCollector

the petition should also have a commitment by everyone on it that they will!! move from eircom to easat as phone users if they to dont comply

And we should be serious about this by giving them 14-30days to repsond favourably
how about someone stand outside the GPO on sat with forms for everyone to sign with the following text amended to the patitiion.....

We the undersigned
authorise to transfare all eircom accounts to esat if a compentative and fair price structure is not introduced 14 days from this date

if there are 1000+ members and eircom users this should be a good enough threat to make them sit up and listen.
Im sure many people here would do a few mins outside the gpo.

MAKE SURE WE HAVE A GREAT! BIG BANNER!
(I will do it from 11:30 =12:30) anyone else

jaarius

i dont think holding them to ransom will give any long term results. i think the petition is a good idea. try to get tehm running in all the ITs, uni's and main streets. get computer depts. involved.


j

Paulw

I agree.

A petition is good, but threats won't help.

Just that we are complaining about totally unfair prices and conditions by Eircom.

NeilF

IrelandOffline should not be seen to endorse one telco over another. This petition would be a marketing campaign for Esat!

IMHO Esat, while not as bad as Eircom, are also responsible for our problems. The way the 2000 were disconnected was nasty and despite saying they are having problems with Eircom I don't think the ODTR is involved yet.

Bard

if they don't comply??? if they don't comply with what?

What's this 'petition' against? Eircom's DSL pricing? Their call prices? What?

I disagree with Eircom's DSL pricing just as strongly as anyone, but the way I show that is helping and being a part of an organisation that strongly and publicly disagrees with it. There's strength in numbers.

Giving ultimatums and threatening to "move to Esat" isn't realistic IMHO. While I have problems with Eircom, I still certainly will not move to Esat for my telephone services.

Interesting plan - but flawed, and I don't think that it should be done - or at least not on IrelandOffline's behalf.

dahamsta

I should also point out that 99.9% of the population of Ireland don't give a flying chuff about DSL - particularly right now when they don't know anyone with it - and the first question they will ask is "What's DSL?".

This issue affects too small a number of people to "take to the people". This has to be taken directly to the telco's, the ISP's and of course the government - the ODTR, the Competition Authority, etc.

If IrelandOffline is going to do a petition at some stage, it should be online, well planned, visibly endorsed by the organisation, and it should be in relation to unmetered access to the Internet. And don't do it with one of those crappy voting booths either, they're just embarassing.

adam

Paulw

True,

this petition should be from the online community and the IT industry.

We just need to get Eircom/ODTR/Esat and the govt to listen to us.

What are the chances of that ????

BoneCollector

okay lets forget the threats and concentrate on the issue to hand.. and that is to make eircom, gov and the ODTR that this package is a a complete insult! and does absolutly nothing to stimulate groth of the online community or services in ireland.

This has to be done!
or where all just chasing our own tails! :mad: :mad:

Paulw

Contact details


For complaints regarding telecommunications operators telecoms@odtr.ie or by fax @ 01-8049680

For Eircom -

adslmarketing@eircom.net
I'm sure there's a better address to complain to

For Govt -

minister@dpe.ie

Anyone got any more addresses to contact ????

:cool:

neverhappen

and complaints@domainregistry.ie to complain about eircom getting adsl.ie.

Below is their generic name regulation, which, IMHO, adsl.ie violates.
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Elaboration on the Generic Name Regulation

The IEDR has no objection, per se, to generic names but only those which in its view would indicate that the name, if registered would infer certain or exclusive rights appertaining to it. The intention is to ensure that no domain holder has an unfair advantage over another. While conceding that every registration, or rejection, requires an individual judgement call the Registry is nonetheless registering those generic applications which, in its view, are sufficiently broad or non-specialised or of insufficient commercial or general interest to the public.

For example, "butterfly.ie" or "excitingfossils.ie" may be acceptable in the view of the IEDR while "irishpubs.ie" or "cheaphomes.ie" are likely to be too narrow & may infer a clear commercial cornering of the commercial market to the general public.

In many instances a compromise has been reached in that the applicant has been prepared to add another logical word, or letters, where appropriate in the requested domain name thus creating a non-generic name. The IEDR Hostmasters are always willing to assist with this.

A long standing, bona fide institute, association or governing body etc. which demonstrably, as far as the general public is concerned, represents the overall interests (but not exclusively the commercial interests) of its members, may have a domain name which could be construed to be in breach of the generic name regulation. The applicant must conclusively substantiate to the IEDR that it represents a body of members who in normal circumstances are in competition with each other. It must also demonstrate that the granting of this domain name would not disadvantage another "rival" group.

Another acceptable category would be a body or association formed for the well being of the general public such as health etc. The decision of the IEDR will be final.

Examples:
Institute of Irish Souvenir Manufacturers & Retailers may qualify for irishsouvenirs.ie
The Irish Mobile Homes Association would not qualify for irishhomes.ie (this could disadvantage other rival groups of Irish home industries) but irishmobilehomes.ie may be acceptable.
The Foundation (as in State sponsored) for Irish Health may qualify for irishhealth.ie
The Association of Irish Pub Owners may qualify for irishpubs.ie

jaarius

Originally posted by NeilF
IrelandOffline should not be seen to endorse one telco over another. This petition would be a marketing campaign for Esat!

IMHO Esat, while not as bad as Eircom, are also responsible for our problems. The way the 2000 were disconnected was nasty and despite saying they are having problems with Eircom I don't think the ODTR is involved yet.

Esat 2000 cut from the NoLimits offer sparked the setup of irelandoffline. didnt it? so saying that we will sign up with esat instead of eircom would not look good.


j

neverhappen

The competition authority www.tca.ie

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Submit a Complaint to the Competition Authority


The only way we can stop anti-competitive behavior in Ireland is to be aware that it is taking place. If you are aware of such behavior we would strongly encourage you to inform us. There are a number of ways to register a complaint. The most common way is via this feedback form, but feel free to contact us:

Via Email to: complaints@tca.ie
Via Phone: 1890 220 224 (intl.:+353-1-8045400)
Via Fax: +353-1-8045401

Or you can send written complaints to:

The Competition Authority,
Parnell House,
14 Parnell Square,
Dublin 1.

If you wish, you can submit an anonymous complaint, but if you do choose to supply us with your details you can be assured that the accused party will not be made aware of your complaint, or that they are under investigation. We will never pass on any of your details to any third party at any time

Bard

Originally posted by jaarius


Esat 2000 cut from the NoLimits offer sparked the setup of irelandoffline. didnt it?

Yes, - that was the main catalyst that went toward the formation of the organisation.

See this page for more info...