Recommendations please...

Le Rack

I have huge white gloves they're so cool! Everyone is always afraid of them but they're actually fairly light.

dudara

You take a few days off from boards, and whe you come back, you find that threads started on one topic have grown legs and wandered off in many directions, but never the original one.

I own a pait of kwons, or TKD shoes, which I wear during warm-up, and maybe during training if the hall is really dirty. There is no point in doing the warm-up in bare feet as the running etc can damage your joints as we all well know. Being a ladyee, my feet are sometimes cut from new shoes, so I wear runners then in the interest of hygiene.

If your feet are bleeding, or very raw, then ask to train in runners. I've found however, that the flatter the runners, the better. Using padded sole runners, as you might for jogging, means that the ankle doesn't rotate and move as it should in TKD. So flat soles are best when you have to train in runners.

But try to train barefoot whenever you can. It's not so much as to develop hard-soled feet, as that TKD is designed to be performed barefoot, and less strain is placed on the joints when barefoot.

my two cents

Le Rack

as that TKD is designed to be performed barefoot, and less strain is placed on the joints when barefoot.

See I been saying that all along! Among other things but that!

Roper

Le Rack wrote:

TKD is designed to be performed barefoot, and less strain is placed on the joints when barefoot.

Explain how please, this seems to be contrary to science.

Le Rack

the sole of the shoe will slip and your foot with it, twisting your ankle and causing damage.

wearing shoes training does damage to your joints, wearing socks causes you to slip and slide,

how does training in shoes damage your joints? do basket ball players, footballers etc all damage their joints just by using footwear?
Again, it damages your ankles.

entirely disrupting your centre of gravity and balance, when you throw a kick at all, your foot slips, even just a fraction, the friction caused between your foot slipping and the shoe causes the shoe to bend or slip itself and itsorta folds, its hard to explain without a visual, but yeah the shoe slips and does your ankle severe damage, the extent of the damage will depend on the intensity of the kick and the degree of the slip.

all quotes from me.

Dyr

tkd science is as awesome as tkd history

you might wanna check out all those savate guys who are crippled from training in their shoes.

just FYI racky, one of the problems of training barefoot is that the achilles tendon is stretched more as our heels are generally an inch or so off the ground in shoes, thus it is more prone to strain. Another problem you might be aware of is that the impact of running on hard surfaces is detrimental to your joints. I'm no doctor, nor do i play one on TV, but i'm pretty certainy that bouncy TKD thing is even more detrimental on hard surfaces. (Colm "dr nick" O Reilly needs to bust out some awesome sports science with regards to this)

I still have dead skin on my heels from training on hard mats years ago, and one of my heels still aches like a mother***r if I stand around too long, probably some bone damage there. Exercising barefoot on a hard surface is for suckers. don't be a sucker. Your feet are important, you have to stand on them for your entire life, take care of them

pma-ire

Bambi wrote:

Exercising barefoot on a hard surface is for suckers.

If we had suckers then we could train on the ceiling

But I think that training in footwear is dangerous to you due to spinning kicks and the grip catching the ground.

But everyone should do some training in footwear to get a feeling for it.

dudara

pma-ire wrote:

But I think that training in footwear is dangerous to you due to spinning kicks and the grip catching the ground.

Exactly. Movements like spinning kicks are hard to perform in shoes, but easy in barefeet.

dudara

Bambi wrote:

Another problem you might be aware of is that the impact of running on hard surfaces is detrimental to your joints. I'm no doctor, nor do i play one on TV, but i'm pretty certainy that bouncy TKD thing is even more detrimental on hard surfaces.

Doing the "sine wave" in TKD is not really comparable to running. When running, you're impacting upon the ground with your whole body weight, in a very fast motion. In TKD floor movements, you're really only just stepping up and down the floor, not slamming into it.

My rule when training is shoes for warm-up, when running and other stuff is involved, and then shoes off for the traditional stuff and sparring.

loz

dudara wrote:

you're really only just stepping up and down the floor,

Typical of girls sparing.

Exactly. Movements like spinning kicks are hard to perform in shoes, but easy in barefeet.

Absolute tosh.

Clive

I've done plenty of different martial arts in shoes, and it's no problem as long as you either (A) know what you're doing or (B) will listen to someone who know's what they're doing.

Proper fitting shoes and common sense work wonders.

I've seen beginners kickboxing classes with 300+ people, so if there was a good chance of damage, I'd say I'd have seen it there.

Le Rack

loz wrote:

Typical of girls sparing.

I'd love to know what girls you see sparring!
We bash eachother around. When I started training I wasn't allowed fight other girls, and even still the fellas are wary of me. I was at a competition and was the only girl in my section so my coach convinced the judges to let me in with the fellas, took a lot of convincing but I was happier to do that!

Millionaire

I wear shoes...but sure ya be better off blasting the ol shins in! lol not more flicky kicks....I am converted....me teacher in shins is gettin me there

pma-ire

loz wrote:

Absolute tosh.

Spinning kicks are messy in footwear!

Thats why they are not practical for real altercations!!

loz

pma-ire wrote:

Spinning kicks are messy in footwear!

Thats why they are not practical for real altercations!!

LOL. Post of the year.

So Spinning kicks are not practical in real altercations only because of the shoe issue - and not the fact most real altercations - exchanges would be in other ranges ?

classic !

dudara

Loz, if you'd read my post, the full quote was

In TKD floor movements, you're really only just stepping up and down the floor, not slamming into it.

Did I mention sparring?

loz

dudara wrote:

Did I mention sparring?

It's quite a part of training at my school - an involves feet being on the floor,

dont you spar ?

dudara

I said floor movements, as in the traditional movements.

Sparring is a different story, but is of course performed barefoot.

Le Rack

loz wrote:

Your photo explains all.

You must really have some issues of your own if you have to take them out on other people.

pma-ire

loz wrote:

LOL. Post of the year.

So Spinning kicks are not practical in real altercations only because of the shoe issue - and not the fact most real altercations - exchanges would be in other ranges ?

classic !

No! Did I say only becasue of the shoe issue??

But if you want to get into whats practical or not in a real altercation I would be glad to go through it with you!!

As you obviously require help clearing up some issues that you have??

loz

pma-ire wrote:

No! Did I say only becasue of the shoe issue??

But if you want to get into whats practical or not in a real altercation I would be glad to go through it with you!!

As you obviously require help clearing up some issues that you have??

pma-ire wrote:

Spinning kicks are messy in footwear!

Thats why they are not practical for real altercations!!

Erm yes i think you did,

Come up to the meet in december and we can discuss further ?

dashX

When I was in the Scouts and did alot of hikeing, I used to harden the skin on my feet by rubbing them with Meths.

Cabelo

Good stuff that man ^

Also, I train barefoot all the time, only way to go for me, tonnes of the stuff I do would be murderour with footwear.

But I will say this, I do practice outside classes as often as I can wearing me boots. It's a practical thing and it forces peeps to get used to the sheer amount of weight you can get behind a leg while kicking. None of this flicky tkd kick stuff for me. DRIVE through peeps, barefoot or not it's the same to me in a class but I'd damn well want to be sure of the forces involved if I were to kick someone, wouldn't everyone else?

Anyway, to sum up; Barefoot in class but find your feet in shoes later on. It's purely practical.

loz

Cabelo wrote:

flicky tkd kick stuff

Not sure which kicks you mean as flicky ? - assume youv'e only seen points fights

Watch a few continous rounds it may change your mind as to being flicky...

pma-ire

loz wrote:

Erm yes i think you did,

Do you see the word "only" in that comment??

loz wrote:

Come up to the meet in december and we can discuss further ?

I'd love to be able to take off on such journey's. But I have a busy family life.

What are you even on about anyway? Do you think that spinning kicks are practical in that enviroment or not?

I don't have to prove myself to anyone man!

I hope you don't have to either?

Le Rack

He's evidently got something to prove since he's so harsh to everyone, who's comments he doesn't like.

Cabelo

Actually I like Loz's balls to the wall attitude. I personally think there are only two spinning kicks in the world at all useful in any kind of real situation... one of them aims at the knees sideways and the other is decidedly weird. I'll show anyone who wants to see at the meet but either way; as a rule they're not very practical at all and the man (or Le Rack) who says otherwise will get a nice thrusty side kick in the spine for their troubles.

Loz, I did indeed mean in point sparring. My point is that many peeps only learn the point sparring methods now, which is sad and ineffective. Moo. I've seen more heavy contact stuff but never outside the land of televised competition.

loz

pma-ire wrote:

What are you even on about anyway? Do you think that spinning kicks are practical in that enviroment or not?

I don't have to prove myself to anyone man!

I hope you don't have to either?

I dont think they're practical ever - never mind in a real life environment.

They should be reserved for breaking or demos.

I've nothing to prove - and I dont immagine you do either... but im always willing to learn new things so its a shame you can't come up in dec.

loz

Le Rack wrote:

He's evidently got something to prove since he's so harsh to everyone, who's comments he doesn't like.

Anyone who has ever met me would vouch otherwise im sure.. several members of the forum have me me......

maybe you best stay in the Cookoo's Nest ?

loz

Cabelo wrote:

Loz, I did indeed mean in point sparring. My point is that many peeps only learn the point sparring methods now, which is sad and ineffective. Moo. I've seen more heavy contact stuff but never outside the land of televised competition.

Thought so .. I never saw the point ( no pun ) in points sparing, although there is obviously good speed in delivery of technique, one never needs to have any power - in fact having power could get you disqualified.


I'm with AIMAA TKD at the moment, but im from a WTF ( Olympic Style if your not sure ) background - and thats full contact. What you may have seen on the TV during last summer in greece may look flicky - but its really not - as any other WTF fighter here will tell you. - Those chest protectors arn't worn for fashion reasons !

pma-ire

loz wrote:

I dont think they're practical ever - never mind in a real life environment.

They should be reserved for breaking or demos.

It seems that I have you wrong man! It can be hard to work out the tone or intent in typed passages at times

loz wrote:

I've nothing to prove - and I dont immagine you do either... but im always willing to learn new things so its a shame you can't come up in dec.

Thats always healthy!

I hope to get to one at some stage?????

Or even get one started in Cork to cover us poor guys in the sticks

grosser

It was used to train the Korean Special Forces, yes, they were trained by Grandmaster Cho, the founder of my association, TKD itself has been around for a long long time, do you not learn your theory? There is a huge amount about the history in the student handbook. The shoes you speak of, are a very different thing to the shoes we get here for walking on the mats and that, the shoes that you're thinking of are like ballet poms, if anything but even at that it's not an accurate description.

hello,there! the term taekwon-do did not exist officially until 1955.
all respect to master cho,but who made him grandmaster?he only went as far 5/6 th degree in itf taekwon-do.
what grade are you if you dont mind me asking?

Le Rack

I assume that's targetted at me.. sorry I just don't fully remember that quote.. but yeah, he's grandaster because he is the founder of AIMAA, and the highest degree belt in that association, he may not be the best in the world or anything but he is very highly regarded and sought after as an expert in martial arts, I'm a high brown myself.

dudara

What's a high brown? I'm just not used to that system

For comparison, we (INTA/ITF TKD) go white, yellow, green, blue, red and black. In between are tags, or tips. For instance, if you were green belt, then your next grade would be blue tag, then blue belt.

Cabelo

Me neither, I'm hellah confused. It this boards meet yoke is going on in december I might be a green and yellow by then. THAT MEANS NOTHING TO ANYONE HERE AT ALL!

YAY!

pma-ire

dudara wrote:

What's a high brown? I'm just not used to that system

For comparison, we (INTA/ITF TKD) go white, yellow, green, blue, red and black. In between are tags, or tips. For instance, if you were green belt, then your next grade would be blue tag, then blue belt.

Older schools of TKD used the Brown Belt as they were using the Shotokan Belt rank system.

The Red belt was a break away bt later schools.

I use the brwon belt now.

Le Rack

heh....
okay with us it's white, yellow, orange, green, purple, blue, brown, high brown, red, high red, black and then the different degrees of black.