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Babble

Meclor wrote:

Also the Ruger 10/22 appears to be a very popular semi and it has many modification options. Although people I've seen mixed reviews from people saying it ain't all that, right out of the box.

I was told that semi's are slightly less accurate due to the action, but I'd be willing to sacrifice that for the option of firing off a few rounds in quick succession, when the urge over comes me. Then again there is something draws me to the bolt action cz

I'd tend to agree with the 10/22 not being the most accurate out of the box but there is a mind boggling array of aftermarket stuff for it.
My current favorite shooting is to head out to a secluded gravel pit with my 10/22 and 1500 rounds of ammo and 25 round magazines and massacre some rubbish. The barrel gets almost too hot to touch. But were only shooting it at maybe 25 yards so accuracy is not a concern, for accuracy and semi autoI've got one of these on order http://www.rhinelandarms.com/ the R22

Rew

Iv shot the CZ and its a lovely rifle I was looking at one of their full bores as well.

Iv seen some lovely heavy barrled .22 semi auto 10/22's that id love to try out.

Umiq88

Meclor wrote:

I'm back again with some starter questions on rifle selection

This will be my first rifle, intended for casual target & silhouette shooting and a bit of plinking thrown in.

Given that my choice is to go either with either a .22 bolt action or semi auto.
I'm not to keen on the single shot, but i know you can get single shot adapter for some guns if the need arises

I've been looking at the CZ 452 Style .22lr,

I like the look of it......is about as much I know about it, but I've read good reviews about the CZ 452 in terms of price and accuracy. Would you agree?

Also the Ruger 10/22 appears to be a very popular semi and it has many modification options. Although people I've seen mixed reviews from people saying it ain't all that, right out of the box.

I was told that semi's are slightly less accurate due to the action, but I'd be willing to sacrifice that for the option of firing off a few rounds in quick succession, when the urge over comes me. Then again there is something draws me to the bolt action cz


Does a semi as a first rifle pose a greater chance of refusal when getting a license, or does it matter?
Is a 5 round mag is the maximum allowed?
Do either of these seem like a good option for a beginner
Do you have any idea of the price of these in Ireland? I've seen good prices in england and the US but I fear the rip-off Republic prices.
What's the story with left handed guns? And are they more expensive

What is the advantage of a heavier barrel, more stable?
What is the max/min barrel lenght allowed in Ireland
Are there rules on customizing, barrels length/sytle, stock etc? I see some people have totally changed the guns to look like something else altogeher.Is that frowned upon by Guards.

Do you have the name of a few medium scopes, in and around the 150 to 200 euro mark. I won't be needing anything better for a while i reckon.

I'll answer what i can

bolt action is more accurate and can be reloaded easy enough its will also keep your ammo prices down while its not expensive it does add up when shooting targets i tend to leave out the mag and use one at a time

cz are a great gun and great value for money if i wasnt using it for hunting id get the black stock and stainless barrel i think its the style version

no nothing about 10/22 is the round bigger than .22lr more accurate range etc??

the fact that its a .22lr means it will be dead easy to licence

10 mag magazine is the biggest

great gun for begineer because it doesnt have a flat tradjectory it makes you much more aware of the rise and drop of the bullet which will make you a much more accurate shooter when it comes to bigger bores

i paid €300 for a second hand .22wmr so expect to pay around that

left hand guns i havent seen you might have to get it imported id try it you first i know a few lefties who have no problem shootin on a right handed gun but the cz gun is so common it souldnt be a problem id try it out first

heavier barrel means that you can shoot more rounds through it without it heating also the weight gives better pointability and main cusion a bit of recoil although nothin to worry bout on a .22lr

dunno about barrel lengths but the longer the more accurate

not sure on the regulations but if your getting a silencer or whatever it has to be put on the cert if you mean adjusting the comb height or the lenght it doesnt matter (as far as i know)

for a .22wmr theres no need to go mad on the scope 4x40 would be the all around favourite i have a variable 3-9x40 which is very common and the extra magnification is handy anything over x12 is overkill mines a hawke never had any problems with it common enough the quaility good for money scopes are brushnell, simmons and tasco its not to important with a .22 your only shooting at up to 90yards spend around €100 nothing over €150 ebay's a grand place to pick them up watch who your buying off though you want it packed reasonable well they wouldnt break easily though

things to look out for are mildot and the likes can be handy for marking where a bullet hits so you can shoot at greater distances

jaycee

no nothing about 10/22 is the round bigger than .22lr more accurate range etc??

10/22 refers to a Ruger semi auto /self loading rifle of that name.
The ammo it uses is a plain ordinary .22lr . Some can be a little picky about the ammo you use in them as it needs to reliably operate the auto - bolt to load the next round.

At a guess I think since it has to use a little of the gas pressure from the fired round to do this it is even more picky about using subsonic ammo it's also very important to keep any self loading rifle really clean as otherwise it gets gummed up and fails to operate properly.

Sparks

jaycee wrote:

10/22 refers to a Ruger semi auto /self loading rifle of that name.

Exceedingly popular little semi; also exceedingly awful as a rifle straight out of the box. Hence the entire industry dedicated to aftermarket parts; new triggers, new barrells, new stocks, new sights...
Me, I'm sort of wondering why you don't just buy a working rifle to begin with, but I'm a cantankerous sod some of the time

Babble

Sparks wrote:

Exceedingly popular little semi; also exceedingly awful as a rifle straight out of the box. Hence the entire industry dedicated to aftermarket parts; new triggers, new barrells, new stocks, new sights...
Me, I'm sort of wondering why you don't just buy a working rifle to begin with, but I'm a cantankerous sod some of the time

exceedingly awful might be a little strong They do work great out of the box depending on what you want out of it. Coke Cans beware!! They make a great project gun if you just pick up a cheaper one. When I get my R22 I'll start muckin around with the 10/22 I have.
I know guys who clean theirs every 2000 rounds "whether it needs its or not":eek:

Sparks

Babble wrote:

I know guys who clean theirs every 2000 rounds "whether it needs its or not":eek:

Well, don't go laughing at that so fast - there's a school of thought in smallboreland that says that you clean your bore as little as possible so as not to disturb the wax deposits laid down on the lands in the rifle barrel by the rounds, which would have an effect on group size. And you do have to put a few rounds back down the barrel to get the groups back to where they were pre-cleaning, so there's some truth in it.

Umiq88

i'd clean my gun after every time i use it if im out hunting and fire 10shots or even none it keeps the finish lookin well on the gun keeps it working well and its safer its takes 5secs to clean it run wire yoke down the barrell then a slighlty oiled mop and remove all oil from barrell then wipe down the outsite and the bolt or any other parts with an oily rag easy as that gun will last a lifetime shotgun i have is 30 years old and is working as well as the day my father bought it and aint looking to shabby either as you'll see from the pic i posted

civdef

While not cleaning the barrel of a single-shot or bolt-action 22lr at frequent intervals isn't that much of a problem - you won't get far with that approach using a semi - the amouth of crap that builds up in the receiver has to be seen to be believed.

That said, without dissassembling the action, a few blasts of WD40 and something like a toothbrush can clear a lot of it away.

Babble

Sparks wrote:

there's a school of thought in smallboreland that says that you clean your bore as little as possible so as not to disturb the wax deposits laid down on the lands in the rifle barrel by the rounds, which would have an effect on group size.

There is a lot of different advise regarding how you treat you barrels, the other advise I hear a lot about is "How to correctly break in your new barrel"
After every shot you run your brush through the barrel to stop the copper filling up the micro pores in the metal until the barrel wears in and seals it self, and just as many people who say its rubbish :rolleyes:

civdef

That's more for fullbore rifles Babble, rimfires generally don't use jacketed bullets, so no copper fouling.