Ireland/seedings for Euro 2008

Necronomicon · 11-10-2005 7:46pm #1

I was watching Sky Sports News when they mentioned that England's game against Poland is still important in terms of the draw for Euro 2008, because if England top the group they could become top seedings.
This got me wondering about Ireland's situation; we can still top the group, finish second, third or fourth. What implications would those positions have on us? What about the fact that we've dropped places in the world rankings, does that have any effect?
I know first priority is tomorrow night and getting to the World Cup, but I was curious about this.

Roddy23 · 11-10-2005 7:53pm

I read somewhere today that if we fail to even make the playoffs, in the next seedings we will be drawn from the 4thgroup. This would have dire ramifications, as then are chance of been drawn with 3 teams who are ranked better then us in Europe would go up, and we would most definately be drawn in much tougher groups. :eek:

Vokes · 11-10-2005 8:02pm

I think we're 4th seeds for Euro 08, regardless of where we finish in our group now.

eirebhoy · 11-10-2005 10:30pm

I'll do the seedings up after tomorrow's match but if we win we'll most likely be 3rd seeds. Top 2 qualify automatically with no playoffs.

Serbian · 11-10-2005 10:40pm

eirebhoy wrote:

Top 2 qualify automatically with no playoffs.

I think that's a much better system personally, and I hope they adopt something similar for the next World Cup Qualifying campaign.

Pigman II · 11-10-2005 10:50pm

Serbian wrote:

I think that's a much better system personally, and I hope they adopt something similar for the next World Cup Qualifying campaign.

No I think he's just saying 'the two best runners up in UEFA tommorow will qualify automatically for WC2006'

But yes I agree with you. I think the play-offs are a terrible idea and should be scrapped asap. Especially considering teams are required to already play 10-12 just to even get to that stage! Groups should be reorganised so that the top 2 qualify automatically.

Vokes · 11-10-2005 10:58pm

Pigman II wrote:

No I think he's just saying 'the two best runners up in UEFA tommorow will qualify automatically for WC2006'

Actually, i think he does mean the top 2 from each Euro qualifier group will qualify for Euro 08. There'll be enough teams to have equal size groups.

Pigman II · 11-10-2005 11:00pm

SofaKing wrote:

Actually, i think he does mean the top 2 from each Euro qualifier group will qualify for Euro 08. There'll be enough teams to have equal size groups.

Really? Ok fair enough. That good news to me anyway.

Pigman II · 11-10-2005 11:03pm

Yeah you're right. Seven qualifying groups. Six groups of seven teams and one of eight teams. That should be fun!

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/euro/Format/index.html

MisterAnarchy · 12-10-2005 11:00pm

There are only 7 groups so 4th seeds isnt as bad as it was in the past.
Thats teams 22-28 in Europe.

eirebhoy · 13-10-2005 10:34am

[U][B]European Champs		World Cup 2006[/B][/U]		
		[B]Team	Played	Points	Played	Points	Avg Points[/B]
1	[B]A[/B]	Greece	8	18	12	21	1.95
2	[B]A[/B]	Holland	8	19	12	32	2.55
3	[B]A[/B]	England	8	20	10	25	2.5
4	[B]A[/B]	Portug.			12	30	2.5
5	[B]A[/B]	Czech	8	22	12	27	2.45
6	[B]A[/B]	France	8	24	10	20	2.444444444
7	[B]A[/B]	Sweden	8	17	10	24	2.277777778
8	[B]B[/B]	Germany	8	18			2.25
9	[B]B[/B]	Croatia	8	16	10	24	2.222222222
10	[B]B[/B]	Italy	8	17	10	23	2.222222222
11	[B]B[/B]	Turkey	8	19	12	23	2.1
12	[B]B[/B]	Poland	8	13	10	24	2.055555556
13	[B]B[/B]	Spain	8	17	10	20	2.055555556
14	[B]B[/B]	Romania	8	14	12	25	1.95
15	[B]C[/B]	Serbia	8	12	10	22	1.888888889
16	[B]C[/B]	Russia	8	14	12	23	1.85
17	[B]C[/B]	Denmark	8	15	12	22	1.85
18		[I]Swiss	8	15	10	18	1.833333333[/I]
19	[B]C[/B]	Bulgar.	8	17	10	15	1.777777778
20	[B]C[/B]	Norway	8	14	10	18	1.777777778
21	[B]C[/B]	Ukraine	8	10	12	25	1.75
22	[B]C[/B]	Slovak.	8	10	12	23	1.65
23	[B]D[/B]	Bosnia	8	13	10	16	1.611111111
24	[B]D[/B]	Belgium	8	16	10	12	1.555555556
25	[B]D[/B]	[B]Ireland[/B]	8	11	10	17	1.555555556
26	[B]D[/B]	Latvia	8	16	12	15	1.55
27	[B]D[/B]	Scotl.	8	14	10	13	1.5
28	[B]D[/B]	Israel	8	9	10	18	1.5
29	[B]D[/B]	Sloven.	8	14	10	12	1.444444444
30	[B]E[/B]	Hungary	8	11	10	14	1.388888889
31		[I]Austria	8	9	10	15	1.333333333[/I]
32	[B]E[/B]	Finland	8	10	12	16	1.3
33	[B]E[/B]	Estonia	8	8	12	17	1.25
34	[B]E[/B]	Wales	8	13	10	8	1.166666667
35	[B]E[/B]	Lithua.	8	10	10	10	1.111111111
36	[B]E[/B]	Albania	8	8	12	13	1.05
37	[B]E[/B]	Iceland	8	13	10	4	0.944444444
38	[B]F[/B]	Georgia	8	7	12	10	0.85
39	[B]F[/B]	Maced.	8	6	12	9	0.75
40	[B]F[/B]	Belarus	8	3	10	10	0.722222222
41	[B]F[/B]	Armenia	8	7	12	7	0.7
42	[B]F[/B]	Cyprus	8	8	10	4	0.666666667
43	[B]F[/B]	N.Irel	8	3	10	9	0.666666667
44	[B]F[/B]	Moldova	8	6	10	5	0.611111111
45		Liecht.	8	1	12	8	0.45
46		Azerb.	8	4	10	3	0.388888889
47		Andorra	8	0	12	5	0.25
48		Malta	8	1	10	3	0.222222222
49		Faroes	8	1	10	1	0.111111111
50		Kazakh.			12	1	0.083333333
51		Luxemb.	8	0	12	0	0
52		San M.	8	0	10	0	0

redspider · 13-10-2005 11:06am

eirebhoy wrote:

25 D Ireland 8 11 10 17 1.555555556
27 D Scotl. 8 14 10 13 1.5
28 D Israel 8 9 10 18 1.5

Thanks for that table eirebhoy. Thats a fair enough reflection. We are about 25th best in Europe at the moment and at the same level as Scotland and Israel. Here's hoping for a lucky draw with the likes of Germany (A) perhaps, who seem to be in decline, Greece (B), who's victory at Euro 2004 is still absolutely remarkable and a team that also seems in decline, and maybe Slovakia are the easiest from the C-level.

All in all, qualifying for Euro2008 will be more difficult if we are seeded 4th, and our aim will be at least to finish with enough points to warrant going back up to the 3rd rung. That should mean all-out attack in most games as a win and a loss is better than two draws.

redspider

Guy:Incognito · 13-10-2005 11:29am

Whens the draw for 2008?

Pigman II · 13-10-2005 11:31am

Damn! And I was so looking forward to drawing Switzerland again! I'm sure we'd have beaten them this time round :rolleyes: I guess they can let out a collective sigh of relief and thank their lucky stars that they're hosts.

eirebhoy · 13-10-2005 11:51am

Actually, Greece may be top seeds. Anyone know?

Pigman II · 13-10-2005 11:54am

eirebhoy wrote:

Actually, Greece may be top seeds. Anyone know?

They are.

The reigning European champions will always be seeded

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/euro/Format/index.html

eirebhoy · 13-10-2005 11:57am

Pigman II wrote:

They are.

http://www.uefa.com/competitions/euro/Format/index.html

Cheers, edited.

Jonny Arson · 13-10-2005 11:59am

Ireland could get a group of.....

Holland
Italy
Serbia/Montenegro
Republic of Ireland
Austria
Belarus
Liechtenstien

:eek:

Pigman II · 13-10-2005 12:01pm

Zane from MTV2 wrote:

Ireland could get a group of.....

Holland
Italy
Serbia/Montenegro
Republic of Ireland
Austria
Belarus

What are you worried about ....

Liechtenstien

:eek:

.... that's four points outta six in the bag straight away.

Jonny Arson · 13-10-2005 12:04pm

Liechtenstien out of the basement teams are the best. They've come on leaps and bounds in the past couple of years considering they have a population of 30,000 and only a few teams.

Remember 1995? 0-0 ring a bell?

Pigman II · 13-10-2005 12:07pm

I don't know why I bother sometimes. I really don't. Draupnir help me out here please!

Juan Pablo · 13-10-2005 12:33pm

So Greece dont automatically qualify as winners? Judging by their most recent qualification campaign, they will struggle to qualify for the Euro's in 2008. Would this be the first instance whereby a defending champion won't actually be able to defend? (Similar to the Pool I suppose, although after much moaning the rules were changed to suit them, could something similar happen for Nick and his mates were they to fail to qualify?)

Its a sorry situation for Ireland, as I left Landsdowne last night I pondered when we will ever be in a major championship again, being 4th seeds in a qualification group doesn't really inspire much confidance.

por · 13-10-2005 12:56pm

Juan Pablo wrote:

So Greece dont automatically qualify as winners? Judging by their most recent qualification campaign, they will struggle to qualify for the Euro's in 2008. Would this be the first instance whereby a defending champion won't actually be able to defend? (Similar to the Pool I suppose, although after much moaning the rules were changed to suit them, could something similar happen for Nick and his mates were they to fail to qualify?)

Its a sorry situation for Ireland, as I left Landsdowne last night I pondered when we will ever be in a major championship again, being 4th seeds in a qualification group doesn't really inspire much confidance.

Automatic qualification for defending European Champions has been aboloshised for at least 20 years !!!.
It's also gone for the World Cup since this campaign, Brazil had to qulaify this time

Guy:Incognito · 13-10-2005 12:58pm

Juan Pablo wrote:

So Greece dont automatically qualify as winners? Judging by their most recent qualification campaign, they will struggle to qualify for the Euro's in 2008. Would this be the first instance whereby a defending champion won't actually be able to defend? (Similar to the Pool I suppose, although after much moaning the rules were changed to suit them, could something similar happen for Nick and his mates were they to fail to qualify?)

Its a sorry situation for Ireland, as I left Landsdowne last night I pondered when we will ever be in a major championship again, being 4th seeds in a qualification group doesn't really inspire much confidance.

The rules were changed to suit the winners of the WC and EC btw. No country wants to play two years of friendlies before a major championships, you cant prepare properly.

Pigman II · 13-10-2005 2:07pm

Stekelly wrote:

The rules were changed to suit the winners of the WC and EC btw. No country wants to play two years of friendlies before a major championships, you cant prepare properly.

There has never been automatic qualification for the EC champs.

therecklessone · 13-10-2005 5:07pm

Zane from MTV2 wrote:

Liechtenstien out of the basement teams are the best. They've come on leaps and bounds in the past couple of years considering they have a population of 30,000 and only a few teams.

Remember 1995? 0-0 ring a bell?

They were 1-0 against Portugal IN Portugal last Saturday for much of the 1st half, and only lost 2-1 with the winning goal scored in the last 10 minutes.

therecklessone · 13-10-2005 5:09pm

We will be destroyed...

Big Ears · 13-10-2005 5:16pm

therecklessone wrote:

They were 1-0 against Portugal IN Portugal last Saturday for much of the 1st half, and only lost 2-1 with the winning goal scored in the last 10 minutes.

Id still rather them over Azerbaijan and Kazakstan .

Bulgaria is the worst team of the 3rd seeds not Slovakia .

Greece
Romania/Poland
Bulgaria
Ireland
Iceland
Armenia
San Marino

Is about as easy as it gets in a 7 team group .

sceptre · 13-10-2005 5:53pm

Juan Pablo wrote:

Would this be the first instance whereby a defending champion won't actually be able to defend?

France weren't there in 88.

Pepe LeFrits · 13-10-2005 6:40pm

Zane from MTV2 wrote:

Liechtenstien out of the basement teams are the best. They've come on leaps and bounds in the past couple of years considering they have a population of 30,000 and only a few teams.

Remember 1995? 0-0 ring a bell?

LOL

Those seedings should gaurantee that the team regains its underdog status for a while!

Pigman II · 14-10-2005 9:33am

Stekelly wrote:

Whens the draw for 2008?

27/1/06

Serbian · 14-10-2005 10:33am

kaids wrote:

Those seedings should gaurantee that the team regains its underdog status for a while!

Yeah, it's a bit of a disaster, but what can you do? If we have a new manager by then, then I think we might be able to get the results that push us back into the C bracket, but I can't really see us qualifying unless we are very lucky in the draw.

Ireland/seedings for Euro 2008

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