IBB Network in the worst state yet

nadir

Ive noticed that the IBB network seems to have been having serious trouble this week. Im getting loads of arp requests.

22:01:36.735350 arp who-has DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie (ec:c5:00:50:b4:66) tell 62.231.60.226
22:01:45.882331 arp who-has DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie (00:05:85:da:fc:dc) tell 62.231.60.217
22:01:50.250246 arp who-has 62.231.60.208 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:50.612698 arp who-has 62.231.60.253 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:51.036752 arp who-has 62.231.60.208 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:51.336152 arp who-has 62.231.60.253 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:51.934882 arp who-has 62.231.60.208 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:51.936806 arp who-has 62.231.60.253 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:52.535833 arp who-has 62.231.60.253 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:52.635848 arp who-has 62.231.60.208 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:52.688636 arp who-has 62.231.60.196 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:52.689182 arp who-has 62.231.60.204 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:52.689731 arp who-has 62.231.60.209 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:52.689731 arp who-has 62.231.60.207 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:52.690891 arp who-has 62.231.60.211 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:52.691257 arp who-has 62.231.60.233 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:52.691624 arp who-has 62.231.60.247 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:52.695725 arp who-has 62.231.60.195 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:52.696019 arp who-has 62.231.60.194 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:52.696366 arp who-has 62.231.60.224 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:52.696873 arp who-has 62.231.60.225 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:52.697209 arp who-has 62.231.60.246 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:52.699162 arp who-has 62.231.60.231 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:53.235809 arp who-has 62.231.60.208 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:53.335320 arp who-has 62.231.60.204 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:53.335820 arp who-has 62.231.60.209 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:53.336663 arp who-has 62.231.60.225 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:53.336968 arp who-has 62.231.60.246 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:53.435059 arp who-has 62.231.60.253 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:53.436981 arp who-has 62.231.60.196 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:53.437317 arp who-has 62.231.60.194 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:53.438049 arp who-has 62.231.60.224 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:53.535728 arp who-has 62.231.60.247 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:53.536293 arp who-has 62.231.60.195 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:53.634934 arp who-has 62.231.60.211 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:53.635697 arp who-has 62.231.60.233 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:53.636033 arp who-has 62.231.60.231 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:54.039022 arp who-has 62.231.60.225 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:54.039945 arp who-has 62.231.60.246 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:01:54.134764 arp who-has 62.231.60.204 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:02:11.086018 arp who-has 62.231.60.223 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie
22:02:12.036018 arp who-has 62.231.60.223 tell DN04-fe-1-3-1-160-guinness.irishbroadband.ie

thats just a random minute : surely I shouldnt be getting these.
Also it seems crazy using arptables and/or altering my ip, or setting up a virtual ip interface on my machine, I can recieve other people packets, I tried this last night and I was getting someone elses torrents.
Shouldnt they protect against this.

Mutant_Fruit

Whats an arp packet? And could that be why some people's connections are really slow? Could their connection be saturated by "arp" packets?

Makaveli

If that's the case it might explain why over the last two days my connection is next to unusable.

syklops

I have learnt there's no point in arguing with an idiot- he'll
bring you down to his level, and then beat you with experience.

nadir

ARP is Address Resolution Protocol,

so it's fairly self explanatory, it's for mapping mac addresses against IP's.

it's layer 2 of the OSI model (Data Link Layer)

One would think however that the routing system would have learnt which mac address corresponds to which IP, and would only need to send arp 'who is' requests to new ip's or to someone who had changed their mac address.
Now considering most people dont know what a mac address is and hardly know how to change it coupled with the fact that we have static IP's one is left wondering why IBB feel they need to ask us where the machines on their network are.
I mean how the hell are we supposed to know what mac address everyone else is using, or why should we care.

clearz

nadir wrote:

ARP is Address Resolution Protocol,

so it's fairly self explanatory, it's for mapping mac addresses against IP's.

it's layer 2 of the OSI model (Data Link Layer)

One would think however that the routing system would have learnt which mac address corresponds to which IP, and would only need to send arp 'who is' requests to new ip's or to someone who had changed their mac address.
Now considering most people dont know what a mac address is and hardly know how to change it coupled with the fact that we have static IP's one is left wondering why IBB feel they need to ask us where the machines on their network are.
I mean how the hell are we supposed to know what mac address everyone else is using, or why should we care.

Someone has been reading his networking notes.

[V3]

How do you check the arp packet?

Sponge Bob

its not really a packet

syklops

IBB has two packages.

Breeze = Static IP addressing.
Ripwave = Configuration via DHCP.

DHCP + ARP = Very good friends.

vinks

[V3] wrote:

How do you check the arp packet?

if you use a *nix like OS you just use tcpdump, dunno what you can use under windows to look at arp packets, maybe etherreal or something like that has been ported to windows

syklops

Yes ethereal has been ported. Even has a nice GUI. You can download it from www.ethereal.com.

you could also use windump which is like tcpdump but its for windows.

spooky donkey

In order for IBB to upgrade their net work they have to order parts in from Israil. This is why it takes them weeks and months to upgrade their nets. if you have problems ye will be waiting weeks for a net upgrade. Im 3 weeks in and was asked to wait another week.

arcane99

I have noticed that the routing of the traffic internally on their network has changed in the past 2 days. see attached But the service is still dire @ 41 kbps.

It still seems to be the gw.ibis is causing major hassle.

nadir

You may have just been moved to another cell, or the routing system, just found a better / or worse way to go.

Red Alert

why the hell are they using Israeli kit - i'm sure it's grand stuff, but networking hardware is fairly common. I'm sure they could even get Cisco stuff quicker.

If you want to mess around like above you need to put your NIC into promiscuous mode, and have your computer (or server doing ICS) connected straight to the broadband.

pete

something very odd happened just after midnight there

Downstream 2433 Kbps (304.1 KB/sec) 2627 Kbps (inc. overheads)
Upstream 3993 Kbps (499.1 KB/sec) 4312 Kbps (inc. overheads)

thats on a 2mb/2mb breeze connection....

ran it twice & got similar results. just before that, irishisptest was reporting a 3mb upload.....

back to "normal" now... ie very broken.

sisyphus

In order for IBB to upgrade their net work they have to order parts in from Israil. This is why it takes them weeks and months to upgrade their nets. if you have problems ye will be waiting weeks for a net upgrade. Im 3 weeks in and was asked to wait another week.

Ah yes, and here's another spurious fact for everyone to take as gospel:

Last week, 16 Irish fighter planes manned by 4 dogs, two sheep, and 10 horny priests launched an all-out offensive attack on the sovereign nation of Durka-Durka-Stan. In all, 26,000 Islamic fundamentalists are reported as being killed, with a further 10,000 Carlow holiday'ers (Is that a word?!!) thought to have been seriously injured in the attack. Reuters is reporting that Irish Broadband were the sole master-minds behind this savage onslaught. The revered journalist Durka Durka Mohammed Jihad is quoted as saying, "Those Irish Broadband infidels. They come to my home and kill my family. They even kill my Dog and his family! They even make me watch all 11 seasons of Married With Children!! Those bastards!!"
Jihad, one of the many affected citizens of the IBB onslaught, is currently seeking legal advice in an effort to strike at the IBB conglomerate. He and his faithful brothers from the "ComReg Association For Disgruntled Customer" seem to be fighting an uphill battle however, as IBB have reportedly signed the infamous defense attorney Johnnie Cochran as their chief legal advisor in this case. Cochran, who will be payed directly from the coffers of ongoing IBB sufferers, is quoted as saying: "This is a black vs. white issue. My client is being discriminated against solely because of their God-given right to make money off the bcks of the meek, and this simply will not stand!"
The case is currently on trial in the Durka-Durkastani capital, Mohammedesh, and is expected to last another 6 months before a verdict will be reached....................[.............]..............

In other news today [............]..............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



See what I'm driving at??!!

aaronc

nadir wrote:

ARP is Address Resolution Protocol,

so it's fairly self explanatory, it's for mapping mac addresses against IP's.

it's layer 2 of the OSI model (Data Link Layer)

ARP is Layer 3. Ethernet etc. are Layer 2 protocols.

Aaron

spooky donkey

pete wrote:

something very odd happened just after midnight there



thats on a 2mb/2mb breeze connection....

ran it twice & got similar results. just before that, irishisptest was reporting a 3mb upload.....

back to "normal" now... ie very broken.

You wernt running torrents with 2 machines on a network were you. With one machine seeding a file and another leeching it? Ive seen those speeds only in those conditions. Its a good way to get yer raitos up real high!

Zab

Ping statistics for 82.195.136.250:
Packets: Sent = 65, Received = 58, Lost = 7 (10% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 27ms, Maximum = 3185ms, Average = 667ms

Been like this for ages for me.

I can't wait to get rid of them.

pete

spooky donkey wrote:

You wernt running torrents with 2 machines on a network were you. With one machine seeding a file and another leeching it? Ive seen those speeds only in those conditions. Its a good way to get yer raitos up real high!

no, that was on http://www.adslguide.org.uk/tools/speedtest.asp

and irishisptest.com too

pete

incidentally

Downstream 93 Kbps (11.6 KB/sec) 100 Kbps (inc. overheads)
Upstream 111 Kbps (13.9 KB/sec) 119 Kbps (inc. overheads)

that's now, albeit tested over a gotomypc remote control connection

Zab

93 Kbps! How I wish!

Downstream 42 Kbps (5.3 KB/sec) 45 Kbps (inc. overheads)
Upstream 9 Kbps (1.1 KB/sec) 9 Kbps (inc. overheads)

Ruffty^

sisyphus wrote:

See what I'm driving at??!!

....Just say; "I don`t think thats right", good lad.

Talisman

I've been experiencing 43~55% packet loss since Monday night/Tuesday morning. Also getting 2kb/s transfer rates - it hasn't been like this since the big outage earlier in the year. Despite evidence to the contrary the Customer Service people I have spoken have insisted that the problem is on my side - Bullsh!t excuse most often repeated: "It's obviously your network cable, that's why you're experiencing packet loss." Only 4 weeks to go on the contract and then IBB is gone for good.

Tracing route to www.l.google.com [64.233.183.104]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1     5 ms     1 ms     1 ms  192.168.1.1
  2    12 ms    14 ms    11 ms  DN16-fe-0-0-1-150-ballymun.irishbroadband.ie [62
.231.57.65]
  3    15 ms    15 ms    20 ms  DN40-fe-0-0-0-344-ballycoolin.irishbroadband.ie
[62.231.52.173]
  4    18 ms    14 ms    16 ms  DN04-fe-1-3-0-352-guinness.irishbroadband.ie [83
.141.117.185]
  5    21 ms    20 ms    18 ms  DN42-as0-0-ibis-access.irishbroadband.ie [62.231
.52.153]
  6    19 ms     *       20 ms  DN42-ae0-13-ibis-gw.irishbroadband.ie [83.141.11
7.45]
  7    34 ms     *     1995 ms  824.ge5-0.mpr1.lhr1.uk.above.net [213.161.79.97]

  8     *     2816 ms     *     213-152-230-99.google.net [213.152.230.99]
  9     *        *        *     Request timed out.
 10    78 ms    45 ms   131 ms  216.239.43.91
 11    46 ms     *       47 ms  216.239.43.92
 12     *       57 ms     *     216.239.43.30
 13    60 ms     *     1071 ms  216.239.43.34
 14  2173 ms     *       77 ms  64.233.183.104

Trace complete.

Ping statistics for 62.231.57.65:
    Packets: Sent = 100, Received = 100, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 4ms, Maximum = 114ms, Average = 15ms

Ping statistics for 62.231.52.173:
    Packets: Sent = 100, Received = 100, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 10ms, Maximum = 368ms, Average = 39ms

Ping statistics for 83.141.117.185:
    Packets: Sent = 100, Received = 100, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 12ms, Maximum = 70ms, Average = 16ms

Ping statistics for 62.231.52.153:
    Packets: Sent = 100, Received = 100, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 12ms, Maximum = 234ms, Average = 19ms

Ping statistics for 83.141.117.45:
    Packets: Sent = 100, Received = 50, Lost = 50 (50% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
    Minimum = 17ms, Maximum = 60ms, Average = 28ms

spooky donkey

Mine is like that for 3 weeks on monday. My contract is almost up also.

Talisman

spooky donkey wrote:

Mine is like that for 3 weeks on monday. My contract is almost up also.

What excuses if any have you been given?

arcane99

Talisman wrote:

What excuses if any have you been given?

Havent heard of anyone who has recieved any contact from IBB except for the usual contention excuse.

arcane99

A thing I have noticed over the past day is that the download speed of torrents have increased.

I have been using http://www.irishisptest.com/ and http://www.testmy.net/ to get my download and connection speed. Never comes in over 100 kbps connection over the 2 weeks and 45 kbps is the norm.

I loaded up my copy of PRTG traffic grapher and started to download using Bitlord torrents and downloading off a reliable ftp server. is downloading at 30kb/s and ftp is downloading at 8Kb/s.
Just looking at the morning graphs and connections were between 200 - 500 kbps.

Now if I go to download a web page, the spped is crap ( took 3 mins to open hotmail) or if I download a file over 1mb over http or ftp, the file will always fail (packetloss?) if using explorer.

IrishISP Test is showing a connection of 40kbps and download of 3 KB/s.

Strange.

Talisman

Try doing a tracert to www.google.com, my guess is everything will go fine until it reaches DN42-ae0-13-ibis-gw.irishbroadband.ie [83.141.117.45], and after that you'll experience major packet loss.

uteotw

Yep 40% packet loss since tuesday on 3 Rock.
Second time this month.