The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 1)

J C

stevejazzx wrote: »

just spotted this

http://moneyforgod.blogspot.com/

This is an anti-theist site looking for proof of God ......and it is therefore a 'spoof site'.

The two sites identified by Wolfsbane and me are BOTH Evolutionist sites looking for proof of Evolution and abiogenesis by Evolutionists .......and so, they are examples of Evolutionists searching for the truth........

......and failing to find it......yet!!!!:eek::D

J C

Originally Posted by J C
How about a Wolfhound and a Shih Tzu......they are physically incapable of breeding naturally

Wicknight wrote: »

Sweet hairy Moses

Not being able to physically reach your sexual partner does not a definition of a different species make ... if it did half the drunk people out tonight would be "technically" different species :rolleyes:

......impotence is NOT a valid speciation indicator!!!!:D:)


The definition of a species is a group of organisms that are capable of cross-breeding naturally......and BOTH physical and genetic cross-breeding incapacity are valid speciation indicators!!!:D

......so where is my money......I want to endow a Creation Science institution with your Million Dollars!!!:D:)


.....and WHAT is a 'Sweet hairy Moses' when it is at home???:D
.....is it an indicator of impotence......or perhaps ....potency???:D

stevejazzx

J C wrote: »

......and therefore it is a 'spoof site'.

...whats makes you so sure?

J C

Wicknight wrote: »

LOL .. these guys are "leading evolutionists?"

Would that be the accountant then, accountancy famed for it in depth study of biological evolution?

Or the maths guy who works for the DoD?

Or perhaps the guy who owns a computer repair shop?

Quite what these guys are doing with $1 million year is another question...

Have a look here and tell me which of the judges of the 'Origin of Life Prize' is 'the guy who owns a computer repair shop'.......or 'the accountant' to whom you have referred?

http://www.lifeorigin.org/
Freeman J. Dyson, USA, Institute for Advanced Study, Princeton
A. Graham Cairns-Smith, SCOTLAND, University of Glasgow (ret),
Jack W. Szostak, USA, Dept. of Molecular Biology, Massachusetts Gen. Hosp.
Jeffrey Tze-Fei Wong, HONG KONG, Biochem., Hong Kong Univ.of Sci.& Tech.
Charles H. Townes, USA, Physics Dept, University of California at Berkeley
John D. Barrow, U.K., Appl Math & Theor Physics, Cambridge
Pier Luigi Luisi, SWITZERLAND, Institut fur Polymere, ETH-Zurich
Paul Davies, AUSTRALIA, Professor of Physics, Burnside, South Australia
Werner R. Loewenstein, USA, Woods Hole Marine Biological Laboratory
Paul Schimmel, USA, The Scripps Research Institute, Skaggs Institute
Edward O. Wilson, USA, Museum of Comparative Zoology, Harvard
Hyman Hartman, USA, M.I.T.; Inst Adv Stud in Biol, Berkeley
Robert Shapiro, USA, Department of Chemistry, New York University
Guy Ourisson, FRANCE, Pres. Academy of Sciences, Centre de Neurochemie
Christoph Adami, USA, California Institute of Technology
J. Peter Gogarten, USA, Dept.of Molecular & Cell Biology, Univ.of Connecticut
Koichiro Matsuno, JAPAN, Nagoaka Univ.of Technol., Dept.of Bioengineering
Wolfram Thiemann, GERMANY, Biologie/Chemie, Universitat Bremen
Massimo Di Giulio, ITALY, Internat Instit of Genetics & Biophysics, CNR
Ronald R. Breaker, USA, Biology Department, Yale University
Iluis Ribas de Pouplana, USA, TSRI, The Scripps Research Institute
Kenneth H. Nealson, USA, JPL, Geol & Planetary Sciences, Caltech
Noam Lahav, ISRAEL, The Hebrew Univ. of Jerusalem, Faculty of Agriculture
Anthony D. Keefe, USA, Mol Biol, Mass Gen Hosp, Harvard Medical School
George E. Fox, USA, Biochemical & Biophysical Sci, Univ. Houston
Patrick Forterre, FRANCE, Inst. de Genetique et Microbiol., Universit‚ Paris
Doron Lancet, ISRAEL, Dept Membrane Res & Biophys, Weizmann Inst Sci.
Jacques Ninio, FRANCE, Lab Physique Statis, Ecole Normale Supervieure
Peter E. Nielsen, DENMARK, Biomolecular Recognition, The Panum Institute
Romeu Cardoso Guimaraes, BRAZIL, Biologica Gen, Inst. Ciencias Biol
Robin D. Knight, USA, Dept. Ecology & Evolutionary Biology, Princeton U.
Y. J. Pendleton, USA, NASA Ames Research Center, Moffett Field
Donald H. Burke, USA, Department of Biochemistry, Indiana University
Edward J. Steele, Australia, Biol. Sciences, Univ. Wollongong
Hans Kuhn, SWITZERLAND, Max Planck Institut Biophysikalische Chemie (ret)
Hubert P. Yockey, USA, Aberdeen Proving Grounds (ret)
Margaret A. Boden, Professor, U.K., Cognitive & Computing Sci, U. Sussex
Liaofu Luo, CHINA, Department of Physics, Inner Mongolia University
Klaus Dose, GERMANY, Institut Biochemie, JOH. Gutenberg-Universitat
Oleg V. Davydov, REP. OF BELARUS, Belarussian Inst. Epidem. & Microbiology
Wolfgang E. Krumbein, GERMANY, Geomicrobiology ICBN, Univ. Oldenburg
Manfred Schidlowski, GERMANY, Biogeochem, Max-Planck-Institue
KC Nicolaou, USA, Department of Chemistry, Scripps Research Institute
P. W. Atkins, Ph.D., U.K., Lincoln College, Oxford University
Akihiro Shimada, JAPAN, Institute of Applied Biochemistry, Univ.of Tsukuba
Hakobu Nakamura, JAPAN, Professor (emeritus), Biological Inst., Konan Univ.
Joseph L. Kirschvink, USA, Geology, California Institute of Technology
Joseph A. Burns, USA, Planetary Sciences, Cornell University
Kensei Kobayashi, JAPAN, Dept.of Chem.and Biotech, Yokohama Nat.Univ.
Alexander S. Erokhin, CANADA, Organic Catalysis, Moscow State U.
Bernd M. Rode, AUSTRIA, Inst for Inorganic & Theor Chem., U. Innsbruck
Yuzuru Husimi, Prof., D. Sc., JAPAN, Functional Materials Sci, Saitama Univer
Hiroaki Sawai, JAPAN, Faculty of Eng., Dept.of Chem., Gunma University
Jean Heidmann, FRANCE, Astrophysique, Observatoire de Paris-Meudon
Yu-Fen Zhao, CHINA, Bio-organic Phos Chem Lab, Tsinghua University
Boris F. Poglazov, RUSSIA, Bach Institute of Biochemistry, Moscow
J. I. Lunine, USA, Lunar and Planetary Laboratory
Vladimir A. Otroschenko, RUSSIA, Bach Inst Biochemistry, Leninsky Prospekt
Anastassia Kanavarioti, USA, Biochemistry, Univ. of California SC
Phillip S. Skell, USA, Organic Chemistry Prof Emeritus, Penn St
Anatoly D. Altstein, MD, PhD, DrSc, RUSSIA, Viral Genetics, Inst. Gene Biol.
Wolfgang M. Heckl, GERMANY, Crystallography, University Munchen
Tairo Oshima, JAPAN, Life Sciences, Tokyo University
Michael J. Russell, SCOTLAND, Geology & Applied Geology, Univ.of Glasgow
Allan J. Hall, SCOTLAND, Dept of Archaeology, University of Glasgow
Daniel Segre, USA, Membrane Res & Biophysics, Harvard University
Saverio Alberti, ITALY, Head, Lab of Exper Oncology, CMNS
Liliane Merle, FRANCE, Biopolymers & Membranes, U. Rouen CNRS
David S. Wilson, USA, Molecular Biology, Harvard Medical School
Avshalom C Elitzur, ISRAEL, Chemical Physics, Weizmann Institute of Science
Hiroshi Mizutani, JAPAN, College of Bioresource Sciences, Nihon University
Auguste Commeyras, FRANCE, Organic Chem, Universite de Montpellier II
Vladimir N. Kompanichenko, RUSSIA, Instit for Complex Analysis, Khaborovsk
Virginia Trimble, USA, Astronomy Department, University of Maryland
Rocco L. Mancinelli, USA, NASA Ames Research Center, SETI Institute
Alam T. Kamaluddin, INDIA, Professor, Dept.of Chemistry, Univ.of Roorkee
Evgeny I. Klabunovskii, RUSSIA, Asymmetric Catalysis; Russian Acad. of Sci
Vladimir A. Basiuk, MEXICO, Inst Ciencias Nucleares, UNAM
Nathalie A. Cabrol, USA, Planetary Sciences, NASA Ames Research Center
Daniel L. Gilbert, USA, NINDS, Unit on Ros, National Institutes of Health
Vlado Valkovic, CROATIA, Institute Ruder Boskovic, Zagreb
Mitchell K. Hobish, USA, Consulting Synthesist, Baltimore, MD
Walter L. Bradley, USA, Mechanical Engineering, Texas A & M University
Emanuel Margoliash, USA, Biological Sciences, University of Illinois
Almaz A. Iskakov, KAZAKSTAN, Dept. of Medbiophysics, Medical Academy
Arthur Chadwick, Ph.D., USA, Molecular Biology/Geology, SWAU
Marina N. Fomenkova, USA, Astrobiology, University of California, San Diego
Janice L. Bishop, USA, SETI Institute, NASA Ames Research Center
Miloje M. Rakocevic, YUGOSLAVIA, Chemistry, University of Nis
Vera Kolb, USA, Dept.of Chemistry, Univ.of Wisconsin-Parkside
Mitchell D. Schulte, USA, NASA Ames Research Center, CA
B. I. Kurganov, RUSSIA, A. N. Bach Inst of Biochemistry
Olivier Toussaint, BELGIUM, Cellular Biochemistry and Biology, U. Namur
Gavin W. Chan, USA, Earth and Planetary Sciences, Washington University
Robert E. Blankenship, USA, Biochemistry, Arizona State University
Paul Abell, USA, Dept.of Chemistry, Univ.of Rhode Island
Yves-Henri Sanejouand, FRANCE, Centre de Recherche Paul Pascal
Andrew S. Garay, USA, Dept.of Biochemistry and Biophysics, Texas A&M Univ.
Farid Salama, USA, NASA Ames Research Center, CA
John D. Sutherland, UK, Department of Chemistry, University of Manchester
Shuguang Zhang, USA, Dept.of Biology, Massachusetts Institute of Technology
Dr. L. Allamandola, USA, NASA Ames Research Center
Jan P. Amend, USA, Earth & Planetary Sci, Washington University
James W. Brown, USA, Dept.of Microbiology, North Carolina State Univ.
Ricardo Ferreira, BRAZIL, Departamento de Quimica Fundamental, UFPE
Krishnan C. K. Nair, INDIA, Rad Biology Div, BhaBha Atomic Res Centre
Donald E. Brooks, CANADA, Pathology, University of British Columbia
S. Vijayakumar, USA, Department of Medicine, Columbia University
Raik-Hiio Mikelsaar, ESTONIA, Genetics & Molecular Path Inst., Tartu Univ.
Ricardo Amils, SPAIN, Biologia Molecular, Univer. Autonoma de Madrid
Anastasios A. Tsonis, USA, Mathematical Sciences, Univ. Wisc-Milwauk
Martino Rizzotti, ITALY, Dipartimento di Biologia, Padova
Bernard Barbier, FRANCE, Centre de Biophysique Moleculaire, cNRS
Charles B. Thaxton, USA, Natural Sciences, Charles University
Thomas G. Waddell, USA, Dept.of Chemistry, Univ.of Tenn. at Chatanooga
Bernd R.T. Simoneit, USA, College of Oceanic & Atmospheric Sci. Oregon St.U.
Alain Figureau, FRANCE, Institut de Physique Nucleaire
Stanley I. Goldberg, USA, Dept.of Chemistry, University of New Orleans
Lajos Keszthelyi, HUNGARY, Biophysics, Hungarian Academy of Sciences
Arvydas Tamulis, LITHUANIA, Head, T.M.E.R., Inst.Theoret.Phys.& Astron.
J. M. Kaper, USA, Beltsville Agricul Res Center Retired
Changfu Wei, USA, Isis Pharmaceuticals, Inc.
Germinal Cocho, MEXICO, Instituto de fisica, UNAM
Sergei A. Seleznev, KAZAKSTAN, Medical Biophysics, Med.Acad.,Astana
Ragnar Osterberg, SWEDEN, Chemistry, The Swedish Univ. Agri. Sci
H”rdur Kristjansson, ICELAND, Isteka-Lyfjaverslun Islands hf., Grens.
V. Sitaramam, INDIA, Biotechnology Department, University of Poona
Ricardo Garcia-Pelayo, SPAIN, Centro de Astrobiolligia, INTA
John F. Stolz, USA, Dept.of Biological Sciences, Duquesne University
Brian D. Lanoil, USA, Astrobiology, California Institute of Technology
Lisa Y. Stein, USA, Biochemistry, California Institute of Technology
James R. Lyons, USA, California Institute of Technology
Lea Cox, USA, Jet Propulsion Lab, California Institute of Technology
Roger R. Hill, UK, Resrch Dir., Dept.of Chemistry, The Open University
D. H. Ardell, USA, Department of Biological Sciences, Stanford University
Pierre Sonigo, MD, PhD, FRANCE, Genetique des Virus, Inst Cochin Gen Mol
Andree C. Ehresmann, FRANCE, Faculte de Mathematiques et d'Informatique
Georges Trinquier, FRANCE, Lab de Physique Quantique, IRSAMC-CNRS
A. E. Lyubarev, RUSSIA, A. N. Bach Inst of Biochemistry
Narcinda R. Lerner, USA, SETI Institute, NASA Ames Research Center
V. J. Norris, FRANCE, Laboratory of Microbiology, Universite de Rouen
Kawamura Kunio, JAPAN, Dept.of Applied Chem., Osaka Prefecture Univ.
Rosemarie Swanson, USA, Dept.of Biochemistry, Texas A&M University
Friedemann Freund, USA, NASA Ames Research Center, CA
Michael R. Rampino, USA, Department of Biology, New York University
William A. Dembski, USA, Mathematics, Philosophy, Baylor University
Jean-Christophe Plaquevent, FRANCE, Univ. Rouen, Lab. Chimie Organique
Mario Medugno, ITALY, Instit per la Pianificazione e Gestione
J. Seb Gillette, USA, Department of Chemistry, Stanford University
Timothy A. Kral, USA, Dept.of Biological Sciences, Univ.of Arkansas
Martin A. Schoonen, USA, Dept.of Earth,& Space Sciences, State Univ. of N. Y.
A. Hochberg, ISRAEL, Biological Chemistry, The Hebrew Univ of Jer
Hans-Peter Herzel, GERMANY, Institut fur Theoretische Biologie
Regis Courtin, FRANCE, DESPA./LAM, Observatoire de Paris-Meudon
R. Holliday, AUSTRALIA, CSIRO Division of Molecular Sciences
Emma L. Bakes, USA, NASA Ames Research Center
Roger Douglas Keen, NEW ZEALAND, Mobil Oil (NZ) Ltd.
Christof Bohler, SWITZERLAND, Fluka Chemie AG, Industriestrasse 25, Buchs
Frank D. Drake, USA, SETI Institute, Mountain View, CA
L Varetto, BELGIUM, Centre for Protein Engineering, University de Liege
T. Greg Dewey, USA, Depart of Chemistry/Biochemistry, Univ of Denver
Robert H. White, USA, Dept.of Biochemistry, Virginia Polytechnic Inst.
Jean Schneider, FRANCE, Observatoire de Paris, Place Jules Janssen
DS Dwyer, USA, Louisiana State University Medical Center
Allan G. Lindh, USA, U.S. Geological Survey
Pedro Miramontes, MEXICO, Facultad de Ciencias, UNAM, Cd. Universitaria
Enrique Macia Barber, SPAIN, Fisica de Materiales, Ciudad Universitaria
Janos K. Lanyi, USA, Dept.of Physiol.& Biophys., College of Med., Univ.CA
M. B. Chaley, RUSSIA, Bioengineering, Russian Academy of Sciences
G. Kurat, AUSTRIA, Mineralogische Abteilung; Naturhistorisches Museum Wien
Panagiotis A. Tsonis, USA, Department of Biology, The University of Dayton
D. J. Raine, U.K., Department of Physics and Astronomy, Univ. of Leicester
Pier Luigi Orioli, ITALY, Dept. of Chemistry, Univ. of Florence
Juli Pereto, SPAIN, Departament Bioquimica, Universitat de Valencia
X. Xia, CHINA, Department of Ecology and Biodiversity, Univ. Hong Kong
Kimiko Umemoto, CANADA, Vancover, BC Department of Chemistry, ICU
Marco Franchi, ITALY, Animal Biology & Genetics, Univ. Florence
Charles N. McEwen, USA, Chemistry Depart, E. I. Du Pont de Nemours
Shijun Ren, USA, Pharmaceutical Sciences, Univ. Southern California
M. A. Jimenez-Montano, MEXICO, Fisica y Matematicas, U. Americas/Puebla
Iwona Mroz, POLAND, Faculty of Chemistry, University of Wroclaw
Alfonso Jimenez-Sanchez, SPAIN, Biochemistry, Molecular Biology and Genetics
Sebastian Mendez-Alvarez, SPAIN, Biol Fonamental, U. Autonoma de Barcelon
W. Schutte, THE NETHERLANDS, Math & Nat Sciences, Leiden Observatory
Harold P. Klein, USA, SETI Institute, Palo Alto, CA
Eric J. Lien, USA, Dept. of Pharm. Sci, School of Pharmacy, USC
James D. Bashford, AUSTRALIA, Physics Department, University of Tasmania
Bruce N. Runnegar, USA, Dept. of Earth & Space Sciences, UCLA
Lowell Owens, USA, Beltsville Agricultural Research Center, retired


......and for those of you still in denial that there is money out there IF you can prove Evolution..........here is an extract from an Associated Press article dated August 15, 2005 entitled “Harvard Jumps Into Evolution Debate”

"CAMBRIDGE, Mass. (AP) - Harvard University is joining the long-running debate over the theory of evolution by launching a research project to study how life began.

The team of researchers will receive $1 million in funding annually from Harvard over the next few years. The project begins with an admission that some mysteries about life's origins cannot be explained."
“My expectation is that we will be able to reduce this to a very simple series of logical events that could have taken place with no divine intervention,” said David R. Liu, a professor of chemistry and chemical biology at Harvard.

.....so I guess, if you don't want to apply to the 'Origin of Life Prize' for $1 million to fund your research into providing a proof for abiogenesis.....you can always apply to Harvard for $1 million instead!!!!:D:)

J C

Originally Posted by J C
This is an anti-theist site looking for proof of God ......and it is therefore a 'spoof site'.

stevejazzx wrote: »

...whats makes you so sure?

The language used is dismissive and it is obviously anti-theist......
Any Creation Scientist or Intelligent Design Advocate can provide irrefutable proof for the existence of God.......so there is no need to offer $1 million to prove the existence of God....because it has ALREADY been done!!!:D

.....and the Evolutionist sites seem to be genuine ....because they are offering money to Evolutionists from Evolutionists to prove Evolution!!!:eek::D

stevejazzx

J C wrote: »

Originally Posted by J C
This is an anti-theist site looking for proof of God ......and it is therefore a 'spoof site'.


The language used is dismissive and it is obviously anti-theist......
Any Creation Scientist or Intelligent Design Advocate can provide irrefutable proof for the existence of God.......so there is no need to offer $1 million to prove the existence of God....because it has ALREADY been done!!!:D
!!!:eek::D

Nothing gets past you creationists does it?......

with the possible exception of four and half billion years i suppose!:eek:

J C

Scofflaw wrote: »

So we've come down to the point in your arguments where the mere existence of a prize is all you've got? Such prizes have been offered before - and are regularly offered in many scientific fields (the Nobels are the most obvious) for exactly the same purpose - to encourage research in the fields in question.

One major question is whether those offering the prize (who are rather surprisingly shadowy) have defined the terms correctly. If life did not evolve within the parameters they suggest, it may be completely impossible for anyone ever to claim the prize. One can offer a prize for reaching the Moon by balloon, but that does not mean it is possible to do so.

.......and WHY are Evolutionists offering prizes to anybody who can prove the Existence of Abiogenesis and 'Molecules to Man' Evolution IF, as Evolutionists often argue, Evolution is a fact????:eek:

.....the existence of these prizes ......and many similar funding initiatives..... PROVES that 'big picture' Evolution remains an unfounded and unproven conjecture!!!:eek::D:)

J C

stevejazzx wrote: »

Nothing gets past you creationists does it?......

.....true.....

stevejazzx wrote: »

with the possible exception of four and half billion years i suppose!:eek:

......and only then because the 4.5 billion years NEVER happened!!:eek::D:)

robindch

wolfsbane wrote: »

Why don'y you check with their acountancy firm: http://www.youngbrophy.com/index.html

If all you can do is ridicule the web-design, that shows how impotent your case is.

Excellent idea, wolfsbane. And with a couple of glasses of wine inside me and my baby daughter sleeping quietly in the room next door, I thought I'd do just that.

Young, Brophy and Duncan close up shop at 1730h, but a short spell of PABX roulette produced a guy who was working late. He refused to confirm the existence of the cash and and gave me a phone number for the "foundation" itself, which I then rang. A guy with a lazy southern drawl answered and I spoke with him for a few minutes. He claimed that the money did exist, but wasn't held in bond anywhere, simply being "guaranteed" by "a millionaire who wishes to remain anonymous" and that it had been on offer "for over ten years", having been first announced in "Nature" and "Science". He said that submissions were "few and far between" and that it cost up to $10,000 to check each one. Whether or not it's genuine, it certainly seems to have generated little of much worth.

More interesting was the list of referees. Despite Edward O Wilson's stellar name being there, a quick check on ten or so of the names there showed a higher-than-I'd-expect number of people with strong religious leanings, including Freeman Dyson, Charles Townes, Paul Davies and a few more. The clincher for me was the incriminating name of my old friend, William Dembski, an endlessly self-promoting creationist numerologist who, like JC, disproved evolution on the back of an envelope some years ago, but whose remarkable contribution to the sum total of human knowledge has been cruelly overlooked by more conventional thinkers. Oddly, the chap I spoke with knew a surprising amount about Dembski and spoke of him in rather reverential tones, referring to him (as creationists do), as a "man who has had a book published by the OUP". One can only imagine the hooting that will rise up if the OUP ever publishes another book by a creationist.

As to whether it's genuine or not, I don't know. It certainly didn't impress me and I certainly wouldn't waste my time applying for it, despite the apparent clarity with which the research was stated. On the basis of ten minutes with google, and ten minutes on the phone to these two guys -- the second guy seemed a bit lonely and was reluctant to stop talking -- I'd put my finger in the air and say that this is a pet project of an elderly philanthropist who's out of his depth, and perhaps even the same guy as the one I spoke with.

J C

robindch wrote: »

A guy with a lazy southern drawl answered and I spoke with him for a few minutes.......
........it (the money) had been on offer "for over ten years", having been first announced in "Nature" and "Science".........
.......He said that submissions were "few and far between" and that it cost up to $10,000 to check each one. ........
.....Whether or not it's genuine, it certainly seems to have generated little of much worth.

......sounds like it is a genuine Evolutionist project allright!!!:D

robindch wrote: »

More interesting was the list of referees. Despite Edward O Wilson's stellar name being there, a quick check on ten or so of the names there showed a higher-than-I'd-expect number of people with strong religious leanings, including Freeman Dyson, Charles Townes, Paul Davies and a few more. The clincher for me was the incriminating name of my old friend, William Dembski........

.....all of these guys may be religious........but they are also all evolutionists......of the theistic variety.......as far as I know!!!:D

robindch wrote: »

As to whether it's genuine or not, I don't know. It certainly didn't impress me and I certainly wouldn't waste my time applying for it, despite the apparent clarity with which the research was stated.

......will you be applying to Harvard for funding to try and prove Evolution instead???:D

robindch

J C wrote: »

.....all of these guys may be religious........but they are also all evolutionists......of the theistic variety.......as far as I know!!!:D .....will you be applying to Harvard for funding to prove Evolution instead???:D

Great contribution there, JC. Keep it coming.

J C

robindch wrote: »

Great contribution there, JC. Keep it coming.

Thanks Robin.......and I greatly admire you too!!!:D:)

Scofflaw

robindch wrote: »

Great contribution there, JC. Keep it coming.

Now that's interesting....

www.lifeorigin.org wrote:

"Judging will center on substantive content relevant to The Gene Emergence Project's focus on the derivation of "specified aperiodic sequence complexity" through natural process."

Unfortunately, the only places I can find "specified aperiodic sequence complexity" is in the authors' work. Interesting stuff it is, too.

cordially,
Scofflaw

Zombrex

J C wrote: »

Have a look here and tell me which of the judges of the 'Origin of Life Prize' is 'the guy who owns a computer repair shop'.......or 'the accountant' to whom you have referred?

Nice list. Pity you made it up. None of those people on that list have anything to do with the "Origin of Life Prize" and I doubt they know their names are being used in this manner.

Here is the actual list of the actual people who run this prize

Current Board of Directors of The Origin-of-Life Foundation, Inc. include

Morris W. Hedge, Chairman; Mathematician/Computer Scientist, Department of Defense, Fort Meade, MD

Reginald C. Orem, Vice Chairman, Retired Educator, College Park, MD

Paul L. Abel, Secretary; Owner, "We Train Computers," Columbia, MD

George Stephens, Ph.D., Teller of Elections, retired Maryland University professor, Adelphi Md.

David L. Abel, Treasurer; Theoretical Biology; Biosemiotics; Life-origin research specifically into the emergence of initial genes; Greenbelt, MD

Chris Esh, Ph.D. Caldwell, Idaho

Sue E. Meeks, CEO, Integrated Financial Analysts, LTD., Potomac, Va.

"Judging of the Prize is to be done by the scientific community itself, not by the Foundation. No one at the Foundation has a vote on any submission."

Ekancone

Wicknight wrote: »

Nice list. Pity you made it up. None of those people on that list have anything to do with the "Origin of Life Prize" and I doubt they know their names are being used in this manner.

Here is the actual list of the actual people who run this prize

Current Board of Directors of The Origin-of-Life Foundation, Inc. include

Morris W. Hedge, Chairman; Mathematician/Computer Scientist, Department of Defense, Fort Meade, MD

Reginald C. Orem, Vice Chairman, Retired Educator, College Park, MD

Paul L. Abel, Secretary; Owner, "We Train Computers," Columbia, MD

George Stephens, Ph.D., Teller of Elections, retired Maryland University professor, Adelphi Md.

David L. Abel, Treasurer; Theoretical Biology; Biosemiotics; Life-origin research specifically into the emergence of initial genes; Greenbelt, MD

Chris Esh, Ph.D. Caldwell, Idaho

Sue E. Meeks, CEO, Integrated Financial Analysts, LTD., Potomac, Va.

"Judging of the Prize is to be done by the scientific community itself, not by the Foundation. No one at the Foundation has a vote on any submission."

Pwnage of biblical proportions.

Fallen Seraph

Not sure if this has already been posted (stopped following this thread a few hundred pages ago), but I certainly reckon it's a little relevent.

New findings confirm Darwin's theory


I could have sworn that the same has already been done with flies, but the writers seem to think it's the first time?

J C

Fallen Seraph wrote: »

Not sure if this has already been posted (stopped following this thread a few hundred pages ago), but I certainly reckon it's a little relevent.

New findings confirm Darwin's theory


I could have sworn that the same has already been done with flies, but the writers seem to think it's the first time?

I wouldn't quite call it 'confirmation of Darwin's Theory'......it merely shows that Natural Selection will select ........at least when it comes to the female sexual organs of WORMS!!!!:D

.....and Creation Scientists fully accept that NS can select .....from pre-existing genetic information!!!!:D:)

Ekancone

J C wrote: »

I wouldn't quite call it 'confirmation of Darwin's Theory'......it merely shows that Natural Selection will select ........at least when it comes to the female sexual organs of WORMS!!!!:D

.....and Creation Scientists fully accept that NS can select .....from pre-existing genetic information!!!!:D:)

Right, so just to recap. You believe in NS, you believe that mutations occur, but none of these mutations create any new information right? That they merely switch on old information?

J C

Originally Posted by J C
Have a look here and tell me which of the judges of the 'Origin of Life Prize' is 'the guy who owns a computer repair shop'.......or 'the accountant' to whom you have referred?

Wicknight wrote: »

Nice list. Pity you made it up. None of those people on that list have anything to do with the "Origin of Life Prize" and I doubt they know their names are being used in this manner.

Here is the actual list of the actual people who run this prize

Current Board of Directors of The Origin-of-Life Foundation, Inc. include

Morris W. Hedge, Chairman; Mathematician/Computer Scientist, Department of Defense, Fort Meade, MD

Reginald C. Orem, Vice Chairman, Retired Educator, College Park, MD

Paul L. Abel, Secretary; Owner, "We Train Computers," Columbia, MD

George Stephens, Ph.D., Teller of Elections, retired Maryland University professor, Adelphi Md.

David L. Abel, Treasurer; Theoretical Biology; Biosemiotics; Life-origin research specifically into the emergence of initial genes; Greenbelt, MD

Chris Esh, Ph.D. Caldwell, Idaho

Sue E. Meeks, CEO, Integrated Financial Analysts, LTD., Potomac, Va.

"Judging of the Prize is to be done by the scientific community itself, not by the Foundation. No one at the Foundation has a vote on any submission."

I certainly DIDN'T make up the list of academic judges ......I copied it directly from their website at
http://www.lifeorigin.org/
.....click on 'judges' in the index on the sidebar and it will link you to the list that I have posted.......

......and the fact that the Board of Directors has a different group of people with a different skills set to the people listed as scientific judges is to be EXPECTED.......so what EXACTLY is your point.......
.......other than revealing that you are in denial over the 'dire straights' that Evolution finds itself in ......

.......at least The Origin-of-Life Foundation people have gone and 'placed their money where their minds are'.....by organising a prize to stimulate Evolutionists into providing some proof to 'shore up' the belief in Evolution!!!!:D:)

Scofflaw

J C wrote: »

Originally Posted by J C
Have a look here and tell me which of the judges of the 'Origin of Life Prize' is 'the guy who owns a computer repair shop'.......or 'the accountant' to whom you have referred?



I certainly DIDN'T make up the list of academic judges ......I copied it directly from their website at
http://www.lifeorigin.org/
.....click on 'judges' in the index on the sidebar and it will link you to the list that I have posted.......

......and the fact that the Board of Directors has a different group of people with a different skills set to the people listed as scientific judges is to be EXPECTED.......so what EXACTLY is your point.......
.......other than revealing that you are in denial over the 'dire straights' that Evolution finds itself in ......

.......at least The Origin-of-Life Foundation people have gone and 'placed their money where their minds are'.....by organising a prize to stimulate Evolutionists into providing some proof to 'shore up' the belief in Evolution!!!!:D:)

Well, you're aware that I've decided to have this thread adjudicated by Stephen Hawkings, Dawkins, and the Archbishop of Canterbury?

cordially,
Scofflaw

J C

daithifleming wrote: »

Right, so just to recap. You believe in NS, you believe that mutations occur, but none of these mutations create any new information right? That they merely switch on old information?

.....mutations can also destroy and/or corrupt information......and NS can selectively eliminate it.........

......sometimes mutations can even result in novel traits.....just like a toy can start running round in circles ...or it may start to make clicking noises if you damage it by kicking it.......
......in any event, the 'direction' of the information is always 'horizontal' or 'downwards'!!!!:D

.......disproving this very serious observed problem with evolution is why all this prize-money is 'floating about' out there for Evolutionists, after all!!!:eek::D

Ekancone

J C wrote: »

.....mutations can also destroy and/or corrupt information......and NS can selectively eliminate it.........

......sometimes mutations can even result in novel traits.....just like a toy can start running round in circles ...or it may start to make clicking noises if you damage it by kicking it.......
......the 'direction' of the information is always 'horizontal' or 'downwards'!!!!:D

.......disproving this very serious observed problem with evolution is why all this prize-money is 'floating about' out there for Evolutionists, after all!!!:eek::D

So if God is perfect, why did he create such a flawed system? Why are innocent children born which such deformities or 'novel traits'?

J C

Scofflaw wrote: »

Well, you're aware that I've decided to have this thread adjudicated by Stephen Hawkings, Dawkins, and the Archbishop of Canterbury?

cordially,
Scofflaw

....it appears that almost every other Evolutionist on Earth has appeared on this thread .......so why not Stephen Hawkings, Richard Dawkins, and the Archbishop of Canterbury......

......and I look forward to 'reviewing' their comments......with 'bated breath'!!!:D:)

wolfsbane

Scofflaw wrote: »

wolfsbane, you're aware that the prize is offered for an abiogenesis theory? Do we take it you want to shift the focus off evolution?

cordially,
Scofflaw

Ah, no, for the evolution story has its initiation point in abiogenesis. I know it's an embarrassment to you all, but that's your problem. :D:D

Ekancone

wolfsbane wrote: »

Ah, no, for the evolution story has its initiation point in abiogenesis. I know it's an embarrassment to you all, but that's your problem. :D:D

Thats rich coming from a guy who believes in talking snakes.

J C

daithifleming wrote: »

So if God is perfect, why did he create such a flawed system? Why are innocent children born which such deformities or 'novel traits'?

God's original Creation was perfect......but Human sin entered the World at the Fall......and with sin came death......and that is why we ALL carry latent/active diseases which will, sooner or later, kill us!!!

The good news is that God will save us from the spiritual affects of our sin.....if we believe on Jesus Christ!!:D

BTW living systems aren't very flawed......they are usually 99.99999% perfect.....but even a 0.00001% imperfection can kill you....or cause you serious bother!!!:eek::D

...another logical problem with Evolution, for which Evolutionists have no rational answers!!!:D

Ekancone

J C wrote: »

God's original Creation was perfect......but Human sin entered the World at the Fall......and with sin came death......and that is why we ALL carry latent/active diseases which will, sooner or later, kill us!!!

The good news is that God will save us from the spiritual affects of our sin.....if we believe on Jesus Christ!!:D

BTW living systems aren't very flawed......they are usually 99.9999% perfect.....but a 0.0001% imperfection can kill you....or cause you serious bother!!!:eek::D

But if God's original creation was perfect, how could it possibly have failed?

J C

daithifleming wrote: »

Thats rich coming from a guy who believes in talking snakes.

..... it WASN'T actually a (literal) snake that was talking ......it was Satan embodied in the form of a snake!!!:cool::D

....and could I gently point out that such a belief is significantly more logical than a belief in the ability of spontaneously morphed Pond Slime to eventually talk!!:D:)

J C

daithifleming wrote: »

But if God's original creation was perfect, how could it possibly have failed?

Good question.......

......God wanted to be freely loved and respected by Mankind......and He gave Adam and Eve the freedom to choose love and life ......or sin and death.....

......unfortunately, for us all, Adam and Eve chose sin and death......

........and the rest, as they say, is HISTORY!!:D

J C

Scofflaw wrote: »

Unfortunately, the only places I can find "specified aperiodic sequence complexity" is in the authors' work. Interesting stuff it is, too.

cordially,
Scofflaw

FSC (Functional Sequence Complexity)....eh......

......mmm.....almost CSI (Complex Specified Information)....

He sounds like an Evolutionist......'on the verge of ID' :eek::D

.......and so do YOU......Scofflaw!!!:D