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The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 1)
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Ah, NOW you've got it!It took Jesus three days if I remember correctly.
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Nature cannot produce life from death - but God can. Natural life sprang from a spiritual force. God spoke and the world began. Christ rose from the dead. One day He will raise every one who has died from their graves, Some to everlasting life,
Some to shame and everlasting contempt.0 -
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Had a look at their site. Seems just another quasi-religious scam.
LOL, what, as opposed to "Answers in Genesis" :rolleyes::pac::pac:
Umm, because they are both exactly the same, the gross distortion of science to further a specific religious interpretation. Oh and they have the "science" to back it all up, just as you Young Earth Creationists claim.How you equate it with the Creation Science movement is beyond meCreation Science has a large number of well-qualified and practising scientists.
As do the Flat Earth society. Look they even have an internet forum to discuss these things (sure don't all these groups having little AiG of their own) -
http://theflatearthsociety.org/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=e3f4f4cef2faa92dfe441807a980fefb&board=8.0
I can link to the pieces that demonstrate an alternative interpretation of the evidence that "strongly" points to a Flat Earth if you like. As 2Scoops says, someone as open minded and so aware of how "big science" locks out alternative theories and keeps down the little guys, should be acutely aware of important this type of "science" is.
In fact I'm ratehr surprised you aren't a Flat Earther Wolfsbane (even more suprised about JC), I would have thought that would be right up your alley.
A religious group with a minority scientific position (thats an understatement) trying to fight the atheist/secularist scientific community intent on spreading lies about the special place God created for humans, challenging the orthodox dogma of science that contradicts the Bible and seeks to make Earth just one planet out of billions.
Fight the power and all that :pac:
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Eschatologist wrote: »I gently direct the creationists to this link, Inflation for Beginners, written by the excellent John Gribbin:
http://www.lifesci.sussex.ac.uk/home/John_Gribbin/cosmo.htm
Explains quite nicely how faster than light inflation is possible as well as the random and creator-independant 'appearance of something from nothing'.
All those creationist theoretical physicists (:pac:) should have fun with this one.
I had great fun reading the article on 'Inflation for Beginners'.......and the last paragraph provides an excellent summary of the current 'state of play' for the Big Bang......
"Confused? So are the astronomers; but they are also intrigued by the possibility that whatever is out there may be different from anything the theorists have yet been able to imagine. "
......the theorists should try imagining an omnipotent God Creating the Universe with a WHISPER of His omnipotent voice!!!!!:D
The title of the article on 'Groping in the Dark' is also particularly apt......http://www.lifesci.sussex.ac.uk/home/John_Gribbin/cosmo.htm#Groping
....and the following quote from first paragraph confirms that the Big Bang is just about dead......
"ASTRONOMERS congratulating themselves on having discovered what our Milky Way Galaxy is made of have had to cancel the celebrations. Their observations, suggesting that the bright stars of our Galaxy are embedded in a halo of thousands of billions of dark stars, are as good as ever. But unfortunately, a completely different series of observations implies that there simply are not enough atoms available to make all those dark stars."
.....so hold the Champagne lads and lassies.......the Big Bang has scientifically imploded!!!!!!!!!:eek::pac::pac::pac::)
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*looks at sig* Ah, not this again J C, please don't make me bring out the diagrams again...The 'Unicorns' were Rhinoceroses....and Triceratops!!!!!and the 'flying snakes which are on fire' were venomous flying reptiles like Pterodactyls.
I'll play devil's advocate here. I know I shouldn't encourage you but I don't think you need to resort to bringing up pterodactyls when the world already posseses a flying snake.
I have yet to see a flaming specimen, but if we used our imaginations I'm sure we could make one...0 -
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Well the Flat Earthers disagree, and they have their own science and scientists to demonstrate this (http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/index.htm). They have interpreted the evidence and come to the conclusion that the Earth is flat.
Your link gives a fascinating account of various experiments carried out in the 19th Century by Samuel Birley Rowbotham.
As well as the infamus Bedford Level Experiments and the Hampden - Wallace libel trials
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bedford_Level_experiment
there also were a number of other experiments which tended to convince Rowbotham that the Earth was flat, including this experiment
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za11.htm
The calculations and the observations were accurate.......but the assumption that light travels in straight lines through the atmosphere when the atmosphere ITSELF is curved in parallel with the curvature of the Earth was the main error that Rowbotham made (in relation to these observations).
The curvature of the Earth and it's atmosphere causes refraction of light to produce a 'mirage like' effect which causes distant objects to appear 'higher' on the horizon when viewed through a levelled telescope .......and this effect can roughly 'compensate' for the curvature of the Earth.....to the point of even allowing objects that are actually well beyond the horizon (as measured by straight line geometry) to still be seen.
Atmospheric distortion and perspective effects, also explain why the horizon of an open sea is observed to be 'level with' a levelled telescope even when the observation is made from a 1000 foot high cliff.....and the sea horizon is actually well over two thousand feet BELOW the observer (by straight line trigonometry)!!!!
The atmospheric distortion is something similar to the atmosphere becoming an imperfect 'fibre-optic' cable which allows an observer to see objects well below the horizon on the curve of the Earth.
Here is an example of such an effect
http://www.sacred-texts.com/earth/za/za14.htm
Rowbotham erroneously concluded that it was impossible to occasionally see objects that were over 300 feet below the horizon, if the curvature of the Earth was correct......and he cited this evidence as proof of a Flat Sea ......and therefore a Flat Earth.
........but we know that such mirages are possible due to atmospheric refraction DUE to thermal inversions and the curvature of the atmosphere.....which is itself an effect of the cuvature of the Earth!!!!
......here is an interesting article which explains some aspects of the effects of atmospheric refraction.......
http://www.icogitate.com/~ergosum/essays/vtth/viewtothehorizon.htm
......so when it comes to distant mountains and sea horizons.......what you are seeing is refracted ......and it would look significantly different ....if you weren't looking at it through an atmosphere !!!
The atmospheric and Earth curvature effects are mutually complimentary over normal Planar Levelling intervals but they do have significant implications, which must be taken account of, when doing Geodetic Surveying and Levelling over large distances.You should really feel right at home with the Flat Earthers JC ... they think pretty much exactly like you.
The Rowbotham error is ACTUALLY similar to the error which Evolutionists make......Rowbotham had evidence that objects could be seen BELOW the horizon, on a putative curved Earth ......and he interpreted this evidence within a Flat Earth Paradigm......and erroneously concluded that the Earth was therefore flat......notwithstanding all of the OTHER evidence against this conclusion!!!
Evolutionists simlarly observe Natural Selection in action and they then interpret this evidence within an Evolutionist Paradigm......and they erroneously conclude that 'molecules can therefore spontaneously evolve into Man'......notwithstanding all of the OTHER evidence (and logic) against this conclusion!!!! !!!!!:eek::pac::pac::pac::) 0 -
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I don't accept that it has much influence on the figure. Self-sacrifice in the service of your religion is considered one of the greatest things that somebody of your religion can do. Saying that your co-religionists do not live up to the ultimate expression of self-sacrifice that they believe in suggests to me that you think that there may be plenty of cowards out there in the creationist community.
Having said that, JC's refusal to admit his identity suggest that bravery may very well not be an attribute which correlates much with creationism. Perhaps you're right after all and the halls of the world's universities may be crowded with creationists who are too frightened to admit it to each other? Bizarre.
The subtle distinction between 'Self-sacrifice' and 'Fool-hardiness' may have escaped you, Robin.
'Self-sacrifice' is sacrificing precious time and energy pointing out the logical fallacies of neo-Darwinian Evolution over thousands of postings......
......and 'Fool-hardiness' would be needlessly getting vilified and God knows what else....by 'throwing myself on the tender mercies' of people who don't like what I have to say!!!!:eek:
...and from my own personal experience, your idea that "the world's universities may be crowded with creationists who are too frightened to admit it to each other" may have more merit to it, than you imagined, when you said it!!:D0
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