The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 1)

robindch

J C wrote: »

.......it is a fair point to say that I haven't shown you my qualifications (just LIKE everybody ELSE on the thread)

No doubt you wrote that because you forgot. However, tracing back around two years or so ago, anybody who's interested can probably find the post where the then-current thread-posters listed their qualifications, in many cases, together with year and institution.

JC's qualifications, like his evidence and his lists of thousands of "creation scientists", simply never materialized. Perhaps one just has to make a leap of faith that any of these actually exist -- there, that should do it.

2Scoops

J C wrote: »

......so you admit that there ISN'T a shred of scientific evidence that 'evolution' EVER happened.....

I didn't say that. Evolution stands on its own evidence. I am only interested in the veracity of creation science - something YOU have been unable to demonstrate in 3 YEARS! :eek::eek::eek:

robindch

J C wrote: »

....so you believe that unless they contain the magic words "muck turned into Man".....they don't 'qualify' as Science!!!!:D

JC, "muck into man" is what you believe. You keep forgetting genesis 2:7:

Genesis 2:7 wrote:

Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being.

There yiz are. "Muck into man" in one fact-free, holder-friendly, individually-wrapped belief-package!

J C

MrPudding wrote: »

Some kind of christian mod plot / conspiracy where they are allowed to get away with this kind of thing. Either that or they are retarded and the mods know this and give they a lot of leeway.

MrP

.....I'd say the Mods are just as 'gobsmacked' as you are........that ONE person can scientifically challenge EVERY fascet of Evolution ......and demolish EACH one.....without ANY substantive rebuttal from over one HUNDRED very 'smart assed' Evolutionists!!!!

.....and the Mods are looking on with increased incredulity that this is happening before their very eyes!!!!!!!:):D:eek:

MBEEP!!!!:D

marco_polo

J C wrote: »

......so you admit that there ISN'T a shred of scientific evidence that 'evolution' EVER happened.....

.....progress at last!!!!

its the Evolutionists who are the WUMs!!!!:D:eek:

I am honoured to join the long list of fine people who have been misquoted by creationists. This is indeed a special day for me.

How is God getting on in those gaps? Must be a pretty tight squeze these days.

2Scoops

J C wrote: »

.that ONE person can scientifically challenge EVERY fascet of Evolution ......and demolish EACH one.....

Where is this one person? And where are their scientific challenges of evolution, for that matter?

robindch

marco_polo wrote: »

How is God getting on in those gaps? Must be a pretty tight squeze these days.

LOL :D

J C

marco_polo wrote: »

I am honoured to join the long list of fine people who have been misquoted by creationists. This is indeed a special day for me.

...HOW did I misquote YOU......did you not say the following:-

wrote:

marco_polo
Haven't finished that one just yet we are still working on it, do bear in mind that it has to cover approximately 1,642,499,999,994 more days than your version so I hope you can forgive the delay.

......so you admit there isn't a single scientific paper that indicates that it is even possible that molecules could spontaneously 'evolve' into Man

J C

robindch wrote: »

JC, "muck into man" is what you believe. You keep forgetting genesis 2:7:There yiz are. "Muck into man" in one fact-free, holder-friendly, individually-wrapped belief-package!

.....there is a substantive difference between the Evolutionist and Creationist accounts.....God was involved in the Creationist account ......while there was only muck......and more muck....involved in the Evolutionist Myth!!!!:D

........

marco_polo

J C wrote: »

...HOW did I misquote YOU......did you not say the following:-
......so you admit there isn't a single scientific paper that indicates that it is even possible that molecules could spontaneously 'evolve' into Man

Obviously you slept through English as well as Science class in school.

Scientist are more productive than that, I hear some of them write many papers :eek:

Mark Hamill

J C wrote: »

......the point surely is that the supposed 'evolution' from Pondslime up through increasingly sophisticated creatures like Dinosaurs to EVENTUALLY produce Large Mammals and Humans is patently FALSE......and Dinosaurs WERE living alongside Mammals (including Humans).....just like Creation Science predicts......and Evolution DOESN'T predict!!!!!

Since when does evolution not predict that dinosaurs lived along side mammals? Remember its only in your nonsensical ramblings that it has been said that dinsoaurs evolved into mammals, neither anyone nor evolution claims this. Dinosaurs and mammals co-existing no more effects evolution than modern day birds, fish and reptiles co-existing with mammals (and each other)

J C wrote: »

....the presence of BOTH Human and Dinosuar FOOTPRINTS....in the same sediments beds is ALSO in accordance with the predictions of Creation Science .....and in contravention of Evolutionist predictions......what Evolutionists euphimistically call 'problematica'!!!!!!!!!
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/taylor-trail.htm
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/utp-upper-taylor-platform-mcfall-trail.htm
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/ryals-track.htm
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/burdick-track.htm
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/new-mexico-problematica-track.htm
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/cat-track.htm
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/turnage-patton-trail.htm

....and this is what leading evolutionists have said about evidence that Dinosaurs and Humans lived contemporaneously:-
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/dino-human-coexistence-implications.htm
Ernst Mayr, Harvard has said, "Creationists have stated that humans and dinosaurs were contemporaries in time...Were this momentous statement true the names of its discoverers would thunder down the corridors of time as individuals who made one of the most outstanding discoveries of the twentieth century." (Gish-Mayr Debate, Evansville, Indiana.)
.....Where do I put my name down as the discoverer of this momentuous fact??!!!!:D
....and will I get a Nobel Prize for it????:D:eek:

The tracks at Paluxy where shown to be other smaller dinosaur tracks that just looked similar to humans Link(even creationists from Loma Linda University concluded at the time that they where dinosaurian). Several such as the Burdick track where concluded to be sculpted, based on anatomical innacuracies and the way the subsurface algae was sliced at the impression edges.

J C wrote: »

.....HOW was it confirmed that these fossils are 130 million years old......other than in the IMAGINATIONS of the Evolutionists who found them ???

The fossils were found in the Yixian Formation in the Liaoning region in China which has been radiometrically dated to about 130million years old. Heres the link to the peer reviewed article in Nature (need to be member to read past the abstract)

J C

marco_polo wrote: »

Obviously you slept through English as well as Science class in school.

Scientist are more productive than that, I hear some of them write many papers :eek:

......I'm not the only one who slept through English class!!!!:D

robindch

MrPudding wrote: »

Surely it is not possible for a person to be so devastatingly stupid to believe this crap?

Since she's been at it so long, I'm inclined to think that JC is a genuine poster, for a heavily circumscribed definition of the term "genuine".

Given that her "opinions" haven't moved since this thread started two years and 49 weeks ago, it seems at least possible that we're the unwitting victims of a creationist-domain Markov text generator. The obvious advantage to the coder in choosing this domain is that the universe of possible sentences is amazingly small, so a reasonably-well coded generator should be able to generate sentences which are "correct" in the application-domain pretty much all of the time.

What's more interesting is that some other posters give every appearance of finding JC convincing. This suggests a scary world in which people can have their opinions updated by software. Matrix, here we come

robindch

J C wrote: »

http://www.bible.ca/tracks/taylor-trail.htm
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/utp-upper-taylor-platform-mcfall-trail.htm
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/ryals-track.htm
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/burdick-track.htm
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/new-mexico-problematica-track.htm
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/cat-track.htm
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/turnage-patton-trail.htm

Here's what one skeptic had to say about this:

http://www.foobar.org/robin/reply-to-creationism.html

Mark Hamill

J C wrote: »

.....I'd say the Mods are just as 'gobsmacked' as you are........that ONE person can scientifically challenge EVERY fascet of Evolution ......and demolish EACH one.....without ANY substantive rebuttal from over one HUNDRED very 'smart assed' Evolutionists!!!!

Really? Thats news to me. Have you kept a list like the TalkOrigins list of Creationist Claims , complete with rebuttals for over 550 different claims? These things are great for keeping score.
From what I can tell its something like Creationists 0:Evolutionists 553 on creationists claims.(for convincing rebuttals of evolutionists claims... well we'll have to wait for J Cs list to see )

J C

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Since when does evolution not predict that dinosaurs lived along side mammals? Remember its only in your nonsensical ramblings that it has been said that dinsoaurs evolved into mammals, neither anyone nor evolution claims this. Dinosaurs and mammals co-existing no more effects evolution than modern day birds, fish and reptiles co-existing with mammals (and each other)

......here is a human footprint and a LATER Dino print:-
http://www.mylot.com/w/image/2008540.aspx

....Here is the story of the find:-
http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1635768.aspx

......dinosaur footprints, on top of humans!!!!!
Finding them counters the claim that humans evolved long after the dinosaurs became extinct and backs up the claim that all species, including man, were created at one time!!!:D

J C

Mark Hamill wrote: »

Really? Thats news to me. Have you kept a list like the TalkOrigins list of Creationist Claims , complete with rebuttals for over 550 different claims?

.....NONE of these Evolutionist 'rebuttals' withstood the 'white heat' of debate on this thread!!!!:D

marco_polo

robindch wrote: »

Here's what one skeptic had to say about this:

http://www.foobar.org/robin/reply-to-creationism.html

http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp
(Never thought I would post this as a source)

Arguments we think creationists should NOT use

“Paluxy tracks prove that humans and dinosaurs co-existed.”
Some prominent creationist promoters of these tracks have long since withdrawn their support. Some of the allegedly human tracks may be artifacts of erosion of dinosaur tracks obscuring the claw marks.

Seem JC is not even up to date with cutting edge creationist thinking. :rolleyes:

In fact I think she has probably been through the entire list, it was the eye the other day wasn't it?

J C

robindch wrote: »

Since she's been at it so long, I'm inclined to think that JC is a genuine poster, for a heavily circumscribed definition of the term "genuine".

Given that her "opinions" haven't moved since this thread started two years and 49 weeks ago, it seems at least possible that we're the unwitting victims of a creationist-domain Markov text generator. The obvious advantage to the coder in choosing this domain is that the universe of possible sentences is amazingly small, so a reasonably-well coded generator should be able to generate sentences which are "correct" in the application-domain pretty much all of the time.

What's more interesting is that some other posters give every appearance of finding JC convincing. This suggests a scary world in which people can have their opinions updated by software. Matrix, here we come

.......we are watching your Earth.......................!!!!!:eek:

Mark Hamill

J C wrote: »

......here is a human footprint and a LATER Dino print:-
http://www.mylot.com/w/image/2008540.aspx

....Here is the story of the find:-
http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1635768.aspx

......dinosaur footprints, on top of humans!!!!!
Finding them counters the claim that humans evolved long after the dinosaurs became extinct and backs up the claim that all species, including man, were created at one time!!!:D

Sigh-this is just another claim from Paluxy. I already pointed out Paluxy is either mistaken dino prints or fakes-read it here

Galvasean

I see J C is using the old (not to mention already debunked) dinosaur/human footprints angle. what will he try next?

J C

wrote:

Originally Posted by J C
....the presence of BOTH Human and Dinosuar FOOTPRINTS....in the same sediments beds is ALSO in accordance with the predictions of Creation Science .....and in contravention of Evolutionist predictions......what Evolutionists euphimistically call 'problematica'!!!!!!!!!
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/taylor-trail.htm
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/utp-upper-taylor-platform-mcfall-trail.htm
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/ryals-track.htm
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/burdick-track.htm
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/new-mexico-problematica-track.htm
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/cat-track.htm
http://www.bible.ca/tracks/turnage-patton-trail.htm


robindch
Here's what one skeptic had to say about this:

http://www.foobar.org/robin/reply-to-creationism.html

......very 'profound' Robin.....is this as good as it gets from YOU?????!!!!:eek::D

MBEEP!!!!:D

Mark Hamill

J C wrote: »

.....NONE of these Evolutionist 'rebuttals' withstood the 'white heat' of debate on this thread!!!!:D

Such as?

Flamed Diving

I always preferred: 'goo to you'.

J C

Flamed Diving wrote: »

I always preferred: 'goo to you'.

......rock on brother!!!!!:D


......and here is a debunking of the argument that Human fossils are rare....and not generally found with Dinosaurs:-
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/human-and-dino-fossils-together

MBEEP!!!!:D

J C

wrote:

Originally Posted by J C
.....NONE of these Evolutionist 'rebuttals' withstood the 'white heat' of debate on this thread!!!!


Mark Hamill
Such as?

........read the thread......I'm not going to go over all of the arguments again!!!:D:eek:


MBEEP!!!!!:D

J C

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1590/is_/ai_20385595

....a very interesting article with the following gems:-

oldest known fossilized human footprint was found in South Africa.....so Human footprints HAVE been fossilised .....both along with Dinosaur footprints.....and without them!!!

Footprints in sand vanish faster than you can walk away. So the scientists think the woman probably trekked across a rain-soaked sand dune toward the lagoon. "Dry sand blew over and filled in the prints, and eventually buried them to a depth of 9 meters (30 ft)," Roberts explains. The sand contained so many crushed seashells that the dune hardened like cement into sedimentary rock, or rock made from layers of compacted sediments (see SW 11/3/97, p. 14). As the sand dried and hardened, it left the imprints intact in rock.......this happened at the start of Noah's Flood.....and the release of enormous quantities of Calcium Carbonate rich waters form deep inside the Earth provided the cementing material that preserved the footprints and created the sedimentary rock in which they were found.......it also shows that geologists now accept that Sedimentary Rocks were formed RAPIDLY enough to preserve these ephimeral artefacts......days rather than millions of years....and so one of the most important bases for dating sedimentary rock collapses!!!!:D

Some anthropologists speculate that every single one of us probably descended from a single human woman when our species Homo sapiens emerged. They've nicknamed that woman "Eve," and they believe she lived in Africa during the same time the prints were made.....EVE probably WAS just after dying when the prints were made......her husband Adam had only died shortly before the Flood!!!!:D:eek:

MBEEP!!!!:D

pH

J C wrote: »

........read the thread......I'm not going to go over all of the arguments again!!!:D:eek:


MBEEP!!!!!:D

Will you be doing any other impressions of cartoon characters to bolster your arguments? If you're taking requests when you're done with Road Runner any chance of Foghorn Leghorn next?

"I say, I say ... That's a joke son!"

J C

.....and here are more Human footprints.......probably Pre-Flood Adamites!!!

http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/article/7686

....and here is another footprint in lithified mudstone....in Egypt!!!!
http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&click_id=588&art_id=nw20070820183015779C298328

.....and here they speculate that the 40,000 Evolutionist years old footprints .....were actually over 1 MILLION Evolutionist years old......i.e 'shockingly old'....as one scientist called them!!!

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/11/051130232517.htm

.......they were old allright.........about 7,000 years old!!!!!:D:eek:

MBEEP!!!:D:eek:

J C

pH wrote: »

Will you be doing any other impressions of cartoon characters to bolster your arguments? If you're taking requests when you're done with Road Runner any chance of Foghorn Leghorn next?

"I say, I say ... That's a joke son!"

.......nay.....Foghorn Leghorn reminds me of a particularly pompous, long-winded Evolutionist that I used to know!!!!!:D

.....this thread DOES remind me of the 'Road Runner' Cartoon Series!!!!

....complete with the apparently wiley old 'Coyote' Evolutionists....who carefully craft complicated word traps .......and then promptly fall into the traps themselves!!!!:eek:

.....the issues and the approaches of the 'Coyote' Evolutionists may vary .......but the result is ALWAYS the same.....a throughly defeated 'Coyote' Evolutionist........left flailing around in the dust of a departing victorious 'Road Runner' J C!!!!!

.....and the best part, is that the Evolutionists never 'see it coming'....and they are so dazed that they don't even realise their arguments have been metaphorically annihilated .....and they often come back again to expose their already defeated arguments to further annihilation !!!!!:D

MBEEP:D......MBEEP!!:D