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The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 1)
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man of faith wrote: »I think they have come to the conclusion that there time would be far better spent actually talking to people that are open to believing. Time is running out, and I feel that my efforts would be better redirected elsewhere.
If you're all choosing to allow intellectual pride and ego dominate your life, then you are walking a very dangerous road.
I Corinthians 3:19:
http://bible.cc/1_corinthians/3-19.htm
Goodbye all.
Ahh my turn for some interpretation.
The Wisdom of the culture at the time the bible was written was definitely questionable and could easily be described as foolishness. However, viewed in the light of the recent advances today, I'd say the wisdom of the present culture is no longer foolishness in God's sight.
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Thank you for at least partial truth.JC always goes quiet when there are questions put to him but in fairness I think he actually told us he is gone on vacation or something so maybe hes just a bit busy at the moment.
Wolfsbane will just believe any rubbish with a creationist sticker on it, while actually pronouncing that he doesn't understand it all that well but it must be true because it agrees literally with the Bible.
Than again I'm pretty sure there are thousands of literal parts of the Bible that he doesn't agree with either, hes just picking and choosing.
man of faith has put me on ignore I believe and is refusing to try to save my soul anymore. Hes probably the worst of the three because he has actually stated several times that it doesn't matter if Evolution is (factually) correct or not because the Bible is 100% correct because its the Bible because its the Word of God because its the Bible ... etc etc.
At least JC and Wolfsbane have the common decency to deny the evidence and desperately look for some psuedo-scientific nonsense for their 'faith' and at least PRETEND that its not all about religion and belief. I do hope JC is enjoying Rome ( in the best possible sense).
I have been and am juggling with work and other threads, so I hope flamed diving can restrain himself for just a little longer. Masochists can be so impatient!0 -
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JC and Wolfsbane have same interpretation of variation "within kinds" as none other than Adolf Hitler:Even a superficial glance is sufficent to show that all the innummerable forms in which the life-urge of nature manifests itselfs are subject to a fundamental law - one may call it the iron law of nature - which compels the various species to keep within definite limits of their own life forms when propagating and multiplying their kind. Each anaimal mates only with one of its own species.
Deviations from this law take place under only exceptional circumstances. Nature abhors such intercourse...the hybrid is either sterile or the fecundity of the descendants is limited.
The fox remains always a fox. The goose remains always a goose. It would be impossible [for fox to bear geese, etc], such a development is a sin against the will of the Eternal Creator.
Mein Kampf: Vol 1, Chp XI
Sound familiar?
LOL. Hitler was no Darwinist, nay, not even an evolutionist of any description.
JC, Wolfsbane and Hitler. All cosy. :pac:Tut, tut... cat got your tounge?
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I don't recall having to give up mucky evolutionary ideas had anything to do with Christian repentance and salvation.
The Bible clearly states what Jesus says in John 14:6, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me."
Now, what does this have to say about Evolution?
Basically, Genesis starts with "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." as we all know, (or should know
). Genesis, being the FIRST page of the Bible, must be very important, being the first page and all!!! Now, The Bible is Jesus book, right? And if you choose to believe in Evolution, sure you are contradicting that very first passage, eh? That renders you not fully accepting the truth of Jesus.
Sounds harsh, doesn't it. Well it is. It is tough cookies. Jesus made the rules - not me, not you. So to believe in Jesus Christ - you gotta believe in his every word, and that every word can be found in The Bible.
For here is something else that Jesus had to say: "You can enter God's Kingdom only through the narrow gate. The highway to hell is broad, and its gate is wide for the many who choose the easy way" (Matthew 7:13). Now for me, that empowers me to think deeply - it is easy to cherrypick from ideas of evolution and The Bible, but look at what that statement says about the consequences of it.
Food for thought.
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Your co-evolutionist Hitler is being misquoted by you. He is not denying that the present biosphere originated in a prebiotic soup and climbed to where it is by countless millions of years of struggle. All he says here is that animals keep within definite limits of their own life forms when propagating and multiplying their kind. Each anaimal mates only with one of its own species. But maybe you claim cats breed with dogs?Flamed Diving wrote: »
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JC and Wolfsbane have same interpretation of variation "within kinds" as none other than Adolf Hitler:
Sound familiar?
LOL. Hitler was no Darwinist, nay, not even an evolutionist of any description.
JC, Wolfsbane and Hitler. All cosy. :pac:
I haven't the context before me, but I assume his main point is against Aryans breeding with less well evolved humans - untermenschen. As in: The sub-human, that biologically seemingly complete similar creation of nature with hands, feet and a kind of brain, with eyes and a mouth, is nevertheless a completely different, dreadful creature. He is only a rough copy of a human being, with human-like facial traits but nonetheless morally and mentally lower than any animal. Within this creature there is a fearful chaos of wild, uninhibited passions, nameless destructiveness, the most primitive desires, the nakedest vulgarity. Sub-human, otherwise nothing. For all that bear a human face are not equal. Woe to him who forgets it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untermensch"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untermensch"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untermensch
From your colleague himself:
Over against all this, the völkisch concept of the world recognizes that the primordial racial elements are of the greatest significance for mankind. In principle, the State is looked upon only as a means to an end and this end is the conservation of the racial characteristics of mankind. Therefore on the völkisch principle we cannot admit that one race is equal to another. By recognizing that they are different, the völkisch concept separates mankind into races of superior and inferior quality. On the basis of this recognition it feels bound in conformity with the eternal Will that dominates the universe, to postulate the victory of the better and stronger and the subordination of the inferior and weaker. And so it pays homage to the truth that the principle underlying all Nature's operations is the aristocratic principle and it believes that this law holds good even down to the last individual organism. It selects individual values from the mass and thus operates as an organizing principle, whereas Marxism acts as a disintegrating solvent. The völkisch belief holds that humanity must have its ideals, because ideals are a necessary condition of human existence itself. But, on the other hand, it denies that an ethical ideal has the right to prevail if it endangers the existence of a race that is the standard-bearer of a higher ethical ideal. For in a world which would be composed of mongrels and negroids all ideals of human beauty and nobility and all hopes of an idealized future for our humanity would be lost forever.
On this planet of ours human culture and civilization are indissolubly bound up with the presence of the Aryan. If he should be exterminated or subjugated, then the dark shroud of a new barbarian era would enfold the earth.
To undermine the existence of human culture by exterminating its founders and custodians would be an execrable crime in the eyes of those who believe that the folk-idea lies at the basis of human existence. Whoever would dare to raise a profane hand against that highest image of God among His creatures would sin against the bountiful Creator of this marvel and would collaborate in the expulsion from Paradise.
Hence the folk concept of the world is in profound accord with Nature's will; because it restores the free play of the forces which will lead the race through stages of sustained reciprocal education towards a higher type, until finally the best portion of mankind will possess the earth and will be free to work in every domain all over the world and even reach spheres that lie outside the earth.
We all feel that in the distant future many may be faced with problems which can be solved only by a superior race of human beings, a race destined to become master of all the other peoples and which will have at its disposal the means and resources of the whole world.
Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler Volume Two - The National Socialist Movement Chapter I: Philosophy and Party
http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv2ch01.html
And this from an evolutionist site:
Based on comments like this, Hitler seems to have believed that humanity, and especially the Aryan race, had evolved to become the likeness of God (rather than being created initially in God's image), while other races were closer to humanity's evolutionary ancestors. His comments citing apes or monkeys as the ancestors of humans imply that he believed some creatures had stopped evolving while others evolved on from them. This would account to some extent for his hierarchical conception of higher and lower orders of creatures, and for his belief that some races of humans were more evolved than others. This is, however, a false understanding of the theory of evolution as upheld by biologists of Hitler's time as well as our own.
Hitler and evolution
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Sam Vimes' signature:
Wait till you see the oath! Maybe an updated version of the last one? Something like this:OMG! I just got drafted into the new EU army :eek:
"I swear by God this sacred oath that I shall render unconditional obedience to ...... ......, the President of the European Union, supreme commander of the armed forces, and that I shall at all times be prepared, as a brave soldier, to give my life for this oath."
But references to God may be deleted to accommodate the non-religious.:D;) 0 -
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Mt 4:1 ¶ Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.
He asks why spontaneous fusion of a chromosome would be lethal and you give a bible quote. Brilliant 0 -
....the 'fusion' is entirely in the minds of Materialists ... and their denial of the Creator God of the Bible is fundamentally a SPIRITUAL issue!!!He asks why spontaneous fusion of a chromosome would be lethal and you give a bible quote. Brilliant
Ro 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.0 -
....the 'fusion' is entirely in the minds of Materialists ... and their denial of the Creator God of the Bible is fundamentally a SPIRITUAL issue!!!
Ro 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
19 ¶ Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
JC, boards wouldn't be the same without you 0 -
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Your co-evolutionist Hitler is being misquoted by you. He is not denying that the present biosphere originated in a prebiotic soup and climbed to where it is by countless millions of years of struggle. All he says here is that animals keep within definite limits of their own life forms when propagating and multiplying their kind. Each anaimal mates only with one of its own species. But maybe you claim cats breed with dogs?
I haven't the context before me, but I assume his main point is against Aryans breeding with less well evolved humans - untermenschen. As in: The sub-human, that biologically seemingly complete similar creation of nature with hands, feet and a kind of brain, with eyes and a mouth, is nevertheless a completely different, dreadful creature. He is only a rough copy of a human being, with human-like facial traits but nonetheless morally and mentally lower than any animal. Within this creature there is a fearful chaos of wild, uninhibited passions, nameless destructiveness, the most primitive desires, the nakedest vulgarity. Sub-human, otherwise nothing. For all that bear a human face are not equal. Woe to him who forgets it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untermensch"]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Untermensch
From your colleague himself:
Over against all this, the völkisch concept of the world recognizes that the primordial racial elements are of the greatest significance for mankind. In principle, the State is looked upon only as a means to an end and this end is the conservation of the racial characteristics of mankind. Therefore on the völkisch principle we cannot admit that one race is equal to another. By recognizing that they are different, the völkisch concept separates mankind into races of superior and inferior quality. On the basis of this recognition it feels bound in conformity with the eternal Will that dominates the universe, to postulate the victory of the better and stronger and the subordination of the inferior and weaker. And so it pays homage to the truth that the principle underlying all Nature's operations is the aristocratic principle and it believes that this law holds good even down to the last individual organism. It selects individual values from the mass and thus operates as an organizing principle, whereas Marxism acts as a disintegrating solvent. The völkisch belief holds that humanity must have its ideals, because ideals are a necessary condition of human existence itself. But, on the other hand, it denies that an ethical ideal has the right to prevail if it endangers the existence of a race that is the standard-bearer of a higher ethical ideal. For in a world which would be composed of mongrels and negroids all ideals of human beauty and nobility and all hopes of an idealized future for our humanity would be lost forever.
On this planet of ours human culture and civilization are indissolubly bound up with the presence of the Aryan. If he should be exterminated or subjugated, then the dark shroud of a new barbarian era would enfold the earth.
To undermine the existence of human culture by exterminating its founders and custodians would be an execrable crime in the eyes of those who believe that the folk-idea lies at the basis of human existence. Whoever would dare to raise a profane hand against that highest image of God among His creatures would sin against the bountiful Creator of this marvel and would collaborate in the expulsion from Paradise.
Hence the folk concept of the world is in profound accord with Nature's will; because it restores the free play of the forces which will lead the race through stages of sustained reciprocal education towards a higher type, until finally the best portion of mankind will possess the earth and will be free to work in every domain all over the world and even reach spheres that lie outside the earth.
We all feel that in the distant future many may be faced with problems which can be solved only by a superior race of human beings, a race destined to become master of all the other peoples and which will have at its disposal the means and resources of the whole world.
Mein Kampf by Adolf Hitler Volume Two - The National Socialist Movement Chapter I: Philosophy and Party
http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv2ch01.html
And this from an evolutionist site:
Based on comments like this, Hitler seems to have believed that humanity, and especially the Aryan race, had evolved to become the likeness of God (rather than being created initially in God's image), while other races were closer to humanity's evolutionary ancestors. His comments citing apes or monkeys as the ancestors of humans imply that he believed some creatures had stopped evolving while others evolved on from them. This would account to some extent for his hierarchical conception of higher and lower orders of creatures, and for his belief that some races of humans were more evolved than others. This is, however, a false understanding of the theory of evolution as upheld by biologists of Hitler's time as well as our own.
Hitler and evolution
http://rationalwiki.com/wiki/Hitler_and_evolution
This isn't even a rebuttal, and I don't accept Wiki articles as references. Just like university.0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCNftnJZX1Y
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