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The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 1)
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...if you are asking if all faith positions are as well founded in logic and science as others ... I must tell you that the Creationist position is fully supported by logic and the physical evidence of the involvement of an inordinate intelligence in the creation of the CSI found in life.
No it isn't. If it was, we'd all believe the crap that comes out of your mouth
Equally the physical evidence contained in the sedimentary rocks of the world confirms that a massive extinction event of worldwide proprtions did occur in the recent past!!!
So? There was an extinction event, great. What's your point? That because an event happened, your quaint little story to explain it must be true? That's not even logical. You can't just make up explanations, you have to give evidence for them.Evolution' is little more than Natural/Sexual Selection acting on the genetic unfolding existing CSI
How did those slugs get algae genes? How do bugs develop the ability to eat nylon?... and the idea that Ponslime could spontaneously arise 'from goo to you' is about as evidentially challenged as the 'Tooth Fairy' !!!:eek::D
Agreed. Which is why none of us here propose it.
Although to be honest, I have some evidence for the tooth fairy because he or she left 50p under my pillow at regular intervals when I was a child. That's a world of evidence compared to what I observe for a god.
And nice that you ignored the basic points of my post, thanks.0 -
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... a Human mediated process would involve the addition of CSI ... and a 'frame shift' would be the outworking of existing CSI.AtomicHorror wrote: »How do you show that these were already included as potential functions? How do you positively rule out the possibility that these functions are de novo? What is the test to determine the difference between functions already present as potential in the original information and those introduced later, say by something like a human mediated point mutagenesis or frame shift?
... all of these phenomena involve an ultimate input of Intelligent Design ... from either God or Man!!!
BTW I came across the following list of 27 things that an Atheist should do (including some amendments) ... and they are very true of many of the Atheists (and some of their 'fellow travellers') on this thread ...
... some light-hearted fun for both Christian and Atheist alike ... enjoy!!!!:):D
How to be an Atheist:
1) Reject everything in the Bible because men wrote it.
2) Use the opinions of other men to 'prove' that the Bible is wrong.
3) Completely ignore the inconsistency between steps 1 & 2.
4) Call yourself a “freethinker” and “open minded” but don’t practice such virtues when it comes to Christianity.
5) Try to laugh out loud every time a Christian makes a statement about what they believe, even if you don’t think it’s really that funny. This helps avoid a “serious” conversation.
6) Always bring up Zeus, Thor, Allah, The Spaghetti Monster and Santa Claus ... and say that if you believe in one God then you have to believe in all of them, otherwise it’s just not fair.
7) When referring to the Bible use the word “myth” as often as possible and call believers whatever names you want because the goal is to frustrate the Christian so that his sinful nature comes out and he gets angry and then you can call him a hypocrite.
8) Set your own moral standards very very low so that you’ll never look like a hypocrite yourself. Studiously police the morality of every Christian and shout it from the rooftops when you think you have discovered even the smallest indescretion ... and if you are found to be wrong, never apologise.
9) Never answer a question directly but quickly change the subject to make a completely different point ... or ask a different question. If you’re asked why you keep changing the subject just repeat this step as necessary.
10) Accuse Christians of not answering your questions, even when they have repeatedly and comprehensively answered them ... and never apolgise when this is pointed out to you.
11) Be as argumentative, loud, sarcastic and verbal as possible – there is no need to make any sense or use logic in your arguments – just keep arguing. Accuse a Christian of being a 'liar' and a 'quote miner' ... even though the quotes are a fair representation of what the person quoted actually said ... and gleefully ignore the fact that it is you, as the false accuser, who is the one who is lying about the Christian using the quote!!
12) Use words like “strawman,” “ad hominem,” “fallacy,” “red herring” and non sequiturs” against every argument even when these terms obviously don't apply.
13) Claim that atheism is rooted in “common sense” even though less than 10% of the human population claim to be atheists.
14) Reject all notions of faith even though you must put your faith in pilots, cars, food, doctors, evolution, and the next chair that you sit in ... and even in the non-existence of God Himself!!!
15) Always ask for evidence for God/Creation Science but never accept anything presented to you. At the end of a discussion remind them that all you needed was some evidence for God ... even though such evidence is literally staring you in the face every time you look in a mirror.
16) Use a self-serving definition of science that rules out the scientific evaluation of the physical evidence for God's existence and/or the historical veracity of events recorded in the Bible ... and ensure that public school systems are compelled by law to teach a one-sided account of 'Evolution' ... with none of its obvious deficiencies ever mentioned ... and sack any teacher who does mention them!!
17) Quote only the Bible verses that make God look mean and unfair ... in the knowledge that most 'liberal' Christians won't challenge you on this ... and, if you are lucky, they may even agree with you.
18) Say that you are a good person remembering that you are allowed to define 'good' however you would like, because there is no objective moral standard, without God.
19) Claim that you have read the Bible and that you understand what it teaches whether or not you do.
20) Only pick on Christians – you don’t want to get killed in a Jihad. However, be sure to say that there is no difference between Radical Muslims and Fundamentalist Christians ... in the knowledge that most 'liberal' Christians won't challenge you on this ... and, if you are lucky, they may even agree with you.
21) Always use the crusades to make the above point ... and if that fails, start speaking darkly about the Christian Faith being equivalent to 'child abuse'!!
22) Remember that you are looking for faults in other worldviews not trying to defend your own – do not try to prove atheism - because it's impossible to prove that God doesn't exist - when He does!!
23) Make the claim that you only have one life and you don’t want to waste it on religion...but nevertheless continue to waste your time ... and everybody elses arguing about religion.
24) If your conscience begins to bother you because of moral guilt you can always numb it with drugs, alcohol, sex, or simply by repeating to yourself that your immorality is a result of 'Survival of the Fittest Evolution'.
25) Interpret the Bible allegorically when debating with Creationists ... and literally when debating with 'liberal' Christians ... and never take the clear meaning of the text into account!!!! That way you'll appear to know what you are talking about ... even if you don't!!
26) Get as many 'liberal' Christians on your side as possible ... because these 'fellow travellers' help to make Atheism look like the logical end-point for 'liberal' Christianity ...and they are a great help in allowing you to get away with using points 1-25 above!!
27) Every day feel free to thank God that you’re an atheist – just in case ...
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... this wouldn't be appropriate to discuss in any playground ... but, as adults, we do have to laugh sometimes, Emma ... don't you????doctoremma wrote: »And you have children, you say? Because this is rather indicative of the fact that you still live in a playground. Now, it's always good to get down with your kids, but at some point, they're going to want Daddy to be a grown up.
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Has the account of The Spaghetti Monster struck a 'sensitive spot' with you Emma????:eek::D 0 -
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