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The Bible, Creationism, and Prophecy (part 1)
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Are we though?
If you want to try and convince posters like Wolfsbane and JC they are wrong about their interpretation be my guest, others have tried and failed. It is your funeral.
My interpretation might also be wrong and I already know where. As an objective interpretation it is mostly correct as it compares scientific unknowns with a Biblical record.
The YEC, Creationist view may be acceptable as a world view, not as a scientific view and most of them know that. ID is neo-freemasonry
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StealthRolex wrote: »My interpretation might also be wrong and I already know where. As an objective interpretation it is mostly correct as it compares scientific unknowns with a Biblical record.
The YEC, Creationist view may be acceptable as a world view, not as a scientific view and most of them know that. ID is neo-freemasonry
Explain that to them. I dare you :pac:0 -
... so let us see how Darwin the racist/eugenecist/elitist then vents his pet prejudices in the next few sentences (emphasis mine):-robindch
As in that famously quotation that the creationist Ben Stein quoted at the end of his trash mockumentary, "Expelled"?
Last year, AFAIR, even you yourself were forced to admit -- finally -- that his quotation was disgracefully deceitful. Here's the full extract from Darwin's Descent of Man, with the bit that Stein left out, helpfully left in:
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Originally Posted by Darwin, as mangled by Mr Stein
With savages, the weak in body or mind are soon eliminated; and those that survive commonly exhibit a vigorous state of health. We civilized men, on the other hand, do our utmost to check the process of elimination. We build asylums for the imbecile, the maimed and the sick; we institute poor-laws; and our medical men exert their utmost skill to save the life of every one to the last moment. There is reason to believe that vaccination has preserved thousands, who from a weak constitution would formerly have succumbed to small-pox. Thus the weak members of civilized societies propagate their kind. No one who has attended to the breeding of domestic animals will doubt that this must be highly injurious to the race of man. It is surprising how soon a want of care, or care wrongly directed, leads to the degeneration of a domestic race; but excepting in the case of man himself, hardly anyone is so ignorant as to allow his worst animals to breed.
... and with the immediately-following paragraph completely omitted:Such intentionally-deceitful quote-chopping is of course, completely dishonest, but as I said above, doing so appears to be normal practice for creationists.
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Originally Posted by Darwin
The aid which we feel impelled to give to the helpless is mainly an incidental result of the instinct of sympathy, which was originally acquired as part of the social instincts, but subsequently rendered, in the manner previously indicated, more tender and more widely diffused. Nor could we check our sympathy, even at the urging of hard reason, without deterioration in the noblest part of our nature. The surgeon may harden himself whilst performing an operation, for he knows that he is acting for the good of his patient; but if we were intentionally to neglect the weak and helpless, it could only be for a contingent benefit, with an overwhelming present evil.
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Originally Posted by Darwin
We must therefore bear the undoubtedly bad effects of the weak surviving and propagating their kind; but there appears to be at least one check in steady action, namely that the weaker and inferior members of society do not marry so freely as the sound; and this check might be indefinitely increased by the weak in body or mind refraining from marriage, though this is more to be hoped for than expected.
In every country in which a large standing army is kept up, the finest young men are taken by the conscription or are enlisted. They are thus exposed to early death during war, are often tempted into vice, and are prevented from marrying during the prime of life. On the other hand the shorter and feebler men, with poor constitutions, are left at home, and consequently have a much better chance of marrying and propagating their kind.*
* Prof. H. Fick (Einfluss der Naturwissenschaft auf das Recht, June, 1872) has some good remarks on this head, and on other such points.
Man accumulates property and bequeaths it to his children, so that the children of the rich have an advantage over the poor in the race for success, independently of bodily or mental superiority. On the other hand, the children of parents who are short-lived, and are therefore on an average deficient in health and vigour, come into their property sooner than other children, and will be likely to marry earlier, and leave a larger number of offspring to inherit their inferior constitutions. But the inheritance of property by itself is very far from an evil; for without the accumulation of capital the arts could not progress; and it is chiefly through their power that the civilised races have extended, and are now everywhere extending their range, so as to take the place of the lower races. Nor does the moderate accumulation of wealth interfere with the process of selection. When a poor man becomes moderately rich, his children enter trades or professions in which there is struggle enough, so that the able in body and mind succeed best. The presence of a body of well-instructed men, who have not to labour for their daily bread, is important to a degree which cannot be over-estimated; as all high intellectual work is carried on by them, and on such work, material progress of all kinds mainly depends, not to mention other and higher advantages. No doubt wealth when very great tends to convert men into useless drones, but their number is never large; and some degree of elimination here occurs, for we daily see rich men, who happen to be fools or profligate, squandering away their wealth.
Primogeniture with entailed estates is a more direct evil, though it may formerly have been a great advantage by the creation of a dominant class, and any government is better than none. Most eldest sons, though they may be weak in body or mind, marry, whilst the younger sons, however superior in these respects, do not so generally marry. Nor can worthless eldest sons with entailed estates squander their wealth. But here, as elsewhere, the relations of civilised life are so complex that some compensatory checks intervene. The men who are rich through primogeniture are able to select generation after generation the more beautiful and charming women; and these must generally be healthy in body and active in mind. The evil consequences, such as they may be, of the continued preservation of the same line of descent, without any selection, are checked by men of rank always wishing to increase their wealth and power; and this they effect by marrying heiresses. But the daughters of parents who have produced single children, are themselves, as Mr. Galton* has shewn, apt to be sterile; and thus noble families are continually cut off in the direct line, and their wealth flows into some side channel; but unfortunately this channel is not determined by superiority of any kind.
* Hereditary Genius, 1870, pp. 132-140.
Although civilisation thus checks in many ways the action of natural selection, it apparently favours the better development of the body, by means of good food and the freedom from occasional hardships. This may be inferred from civilised men having been found, wherever compared, to be physically stronger than savages.* They appear also to have equal powers of endurance, as has been proved in many adventurous expeditions. Even the great luxury of the rich can be but little detrimental; for the expectation of life of our aristocracy, at all ages and of both sexes, is very little inferior to that of healthy English lives in the lower classes.
... OK ... so you quoted the Mad Hatter emphasis and all ... and then you (erroneously) started counting words ... but all the time you carefully avoided providing any evidence for Darwinism!!!:eek::Drobindch
What the Mad Hatter said -- thanks for demonstrating the point so elegantly for me0 -
... your so-called 'scientific unknowns' are not 'unknown' at all ... all of the evidence points to a YOUNG Earth and a recent Creation ... look at the ash cloud over Iceland, for example ... the Earth hasn't fully settled down geologically since the global seismic events of Noah's Flood ... because it was only a few thousand years ago ... rather that the billions of years that the Evolutionists confuse themselves with!!!StealthRolex wrote: »My interpretation might also be wrong and I already know where. As an objective interpretation it is mostly correct as it compares scientific unknowns with a Biblical record.
The YEC, Creationist view may be acceptable as a world view, not as a scientific view and most of them know that. ID is neo-freemasonry
... anyway, when it comes to history, the Evolutionists exaggerate the timeline of Human History by thousands of years ... and they expand the timetable of the Earth's Geology by millions of years!!!!
... all in a doomed attempt to give themselves extra time to justify the impossible ... the spontaneous evolution of Human CSI.
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What the Mad Hatter said -- thanks for demonstrating the point so elegantly for me
There are some posts in this thread, usually caused by J C missing the point absolutely, that really make it worth reading. I think this is one of them.0 -
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... yes it is indeed ironic that Darwinism, which claims to be materialistically based, has no logic or evidence supporting it ... while Creation Science, which scientifically studies the works of a Transcendent Invisible God, has all of the logic and the physical evidence on its side!!!Originally Posted by J C
... could we have a little less of the word games ...
Ciaran500
Surely even you can't miss the massive amount of irony in this sentence.
Ro 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,
19 ¶ because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them.
20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
21 because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened.
22 Professing to be wise, they became fools,
23 and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man--and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things.
... so could we have a little less of the word games ... and some (any) evidence for Darwinism ... please!!!!!!!
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