scientific proof of god

akindoc

What we know.

Something cannot come out of nothing. If there was ever a state of absolute nothingness (eternal nothing) there would never have been anything. Nothing cannot change state, it would have no boundaries, it would be constant.

Therefore...there was always something!

Whether you want to believe in God or not you HAVE NO CHOICE but to believe that there was always something in existence. If there was always SOMETHING, then this something is not a variable, but a constant.

We know that the universe, and all life and matter within, is variable and temporal. Therefore the universe itself cannot be this required constant. The universe began at some point...but we know that something must have caused it to begin. We know this because of the inherent principle of cause and effect. Nothing happens without a reason/cause.

We know that cause and effect is a universal principle because if it were not the universe itself will be based on anarchy with no rules or laws or principles. Rules and laws require cause and effect. If cause and effect were not the premise of all things then random chaos would be the way things are: planets inexplicably turning into ice cream, humans turning into trees or gold or any other nonsense that you can imagine. There would be no science, logic, or any other method of reasoning. There would be no need for reason...for all things would be random and unexplainable.

OBVIOUSLY crazy things such as this do not occur without reason....and so we can safetly accept the cause and effect principle as law!

So...something must have caused the temporal variable Universe. This something must be a constant (in any event...whatever started the entire chain of existence must be a constant that was always here). If this something was (is) a constant then the question of "what caused it" does not apply. If constant and eternal....the question of "where did it come from" is non applicable and irrelevant.

So LOGICALLY we can see that there is an inherent constant in the universe by which all laws and priniples are derived from and inherent. You don't have to call it God if you do not wish to...but you HAVE to acknowledge its existence in the equation of logic.

Any questions?

Playboy

It's quite strange that on the same day that a creationism thread popped up on the christianity forums that this thread popped up here. Me thinks its a coordinated attack :eek: This subject has already been argued at great detail on this forum and by many philosophers through the ages. Your post reminds me of Descartes ontological argument. Afaik Quantum mechanics has discovered that the rules of causality are not as cut and dry as you may think. But thats really a different matter. I think the conclusion that was reached in the last thread on this topic is that logic and the notion of God dont go too well together. God whatever that maybe would probably defy human understanding and you can logically infer his existence or non-existence through the use of logic.

simu

I'm locking this one as a discussion on an identical first post has taken off in the humanities forum. Here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=316992

In future, don't post the same thing in multiple forums, akindoc.