What do people hope to gain from ADSL

Giblet

besides "fast porn" and "fast online games"
im looking to host my own website

El_MUERkO

Do you get static IP's with eircoms adsl?

I want to use mine to in no particular order:

Download the latest version of Mandrake Linux.

Play CS

Setup an FTP server for myself and people I know.

Download stuff from Morpheus (g0at pr0n )

Listen to streamed music, download MP3's.

Browse webpages without annoying waiting times.

Working from home 1 day of the week, I hope

BoneCollector

10 times+ download speed :-)

Shinji

im looking to host my own website

Based on the UK ADSL situation, I doubt that's really plausible. Bear in mind that you only get a very limited upstream off ADSL; on 512k consumer level ADSL, your upstream is only 256k, tops. Might sound like a lot when you're on a modem, but it's really not enough to sensibly host a website off...

Dustaz

Originally posted by Giblet
im looking to host my own website

Sorry mate, but thats a no-no. Its in the TOS of i-stream that you may not host a permanent server (web, ftp etc). Its not really practical anyway.
Having said that, Ive been hosting temporary Shoutcast servers and HLTV servers with mine and they work ok for a few ppl to conect to (up to 5 or 6) but since the IP isnt static its not a long term solution.

nahdoic

I'd be happier with a 24:7 56k access, so all I am really looking for from ADSL is 24:7 access. With this I'll be able to program and develop sites, by being logged onto them through telnet for a couple of hours at a time without having to disconnect. I would just be so much faster, and so much more efficient with ADSL, instead of having to program the script offline, connect to the net, test the script, if it works fine, if it doesn't get the error message, disconnect, look back over the script, try to spot it, maybe run an off-line compiler over it, try and get the error, reconnect, re-test the script on the site, if it works fine, if it doesn't ..... blah blah and so on. I would just love to be able to be connected 24:7 during the day and to have the phone free. It would be sooo good.

I am currently trying to do the code for www.statcounter.com and it is a hugeeeee job, I really need ADSL or unmetered 56k access for it.

And if i did get ADSL, i'd probably have a go at a few on-line games, like Red Alert 2.

Giblet

No thanks to Eircom - I have no knowledge about the standard the ADSL will be here.
I knew about the upload speed, kinda sucks for what I wanna do.
I thinks it's a fixed ip (the Americans have that with cable and the like, so they can host there own websites)
Yep im using ATM now through ITnet pretty fast but we only get a 2mb/s share of the total 56mb/s , when no-one else is on it!
But a 90KB/s download is a godsend against the 5KB of a modem
(if ur lucky)

Dustaz

only one dsl option offered by eircom has a static IP afair. Thes rest have dynamic IPs.
www.adsl.ie for details.

Bard

A fast, reliable, affordable always-on connection to the Internet.

No more lag in games. No more waiting an age for relatively large attatchments to download. Being able to download game demos and new programs and upload files to web sites I am working on faster and easier.

Being able to tele-work with ease.

... and possibly video conferencing (not very important... but handy at special occasions such as Christmas/New-Years')


... that's what I'd realistically expect from a properly marketed and provided ADSL product.

chernobyl

The ability to biatch 24/7 of webforums about Eircom not giving irish users OC-768 pipes and then when we get those...

ando

Is there any news since eircom postponed their adsl ? I haven't heard site nor sound from the ODTR or Eircom since the 3rd October, which is worrying ?

Also, an idea that has been going around in my head for the last few days... If Eirscum decided to cancel ADSL and not launch it at all, whats the story then ????? I mean, what the hell can be done ???? LLU ... can esat launch their own dsl product in or around december when LLU is complete ??? ah man, this is pi$$ing me off SO GOD DAMN MUCH AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH .. I really taught I'd have ordered adsl by now ... Its like banging your head off the wall, no end to the f**king pain ... I hate Eircom, ODTR and the Government for making me hate them

P R O F A N I T Y

Originally posted by Shinji


Based on the UK ADSL situation, I doubt that's really plausible. Bear in mind that you only get a very limited upstream off ADSL; on 512k consumer level ADSL, your upstream is only 256k, tops. Might sound like a lot when you're on a modem, but it's really not enough to sensibly host a website off...

You no sometime its not worth commenting

Ando, llu will take several years to complete, it may start in december but thats all. i wouldnt hold out hope for it either as it more then likely wont be used for adsl(SDSL, HDSL, Private circuit)

Ps its the peace of mind i hope to gain, i may even fork out for a 1mb link, with a 516k upload, if the price was around 90-100 a month. why not, im spending it allready

hudson806

Originally posted by P R O F A N I T Y

sorry if im blunt, but your wrong! in our case its 516k and 128k tops,

Relax! - I think he was only trying to give a *rough* idea of the sort of speeds to be expected on a consumer DSL service.

(SDSL, HDSL, Private circuit)

Well, as HDSL requires two pairs to operate, *that's* pretty unlikely. S-HDSL is a possibility though.

Ps its the peace of mind i hope to gain, i may even fork out for a 1mb link, with a 516k upload

Well, considering that nobody is selling a 516k upstream service anyway, I doubt you'll have to worry about the price. And its 512k, not 516k.

SkepticOne

Originally posted by hudson806
And its 512k, not 516k.

Didn't someone used to make this mistake in the past...

P R O F A N I T Y

Sorry if it seemed I wasn't relaxed, but when something's wrong, its wrong. as for hdsl, fair point. ad for 512k, ive no idea why im fixated with 512k, i think its the amount of l2 cache on my P3 lol

Dustaz

Originally posted by P R O F A N I T Y


sorry if im blunt, but your wrong! in our case its 516k and 128k tops,

Sorry to be blunt but you're wrong. Please research before you spout nonsense on these forums

from: http://home.eircom.net/broadband/solutions.html

eircom i-stream plus

For up to four users.
Speeds are up to 1Mbps downstream/256kbps upstream.

Connection Fee: £98.45 ( € 125.00) ex. VAT.
Monthly fee: £129.95 ( € 165.00) ex. VAT.
Additional equipment required: 4-port ADSL Ethernet modem £212.64 ( € 270.00) ex. VAT.

eircom i-stream enhanced

For a multi user, multi PC networked environment. Speeds are up to 1Mbps downstream/256kbps upstream.

Connection Fee: £98.45 ( € 125.00) ex. VAT.
Monthly fee: £179.57 ( € 228.00) ex. VAT.
Additional equipment required: 4-port ADSL Ethernet modem £212.64 ( € 270.00) ex. VAT.

Ando, llu will take several years to complete, it may start in december but thats all. i wouldnt hold out hope for it either as it more then likely wont be used for adsl

Well, seeing as how esat are trialling thier dsl product at the moment they seem to be more hopeful or informed than yourself.

P R O F A N I T Y

im not about to start a fight with you, he said a 516k service not a 1mb one, cant you read?

and esat arn't trialing ADSL they are trialing SDSL which is what i said allready.

Hannibal_12

Originally posted by Giblet
besides "fast porn" and "fast online games"
im looking to host my own website

"Two nasty Nazi Cars are after our beautiful lone driver"
BEST BAND EVER.

infomat

Originally posted by El_MUERkO
Do you get static IP's with eircoms adsl?

I asked this question and got three different answers:
(1) Static IP available as part of the two most expensice packages.
(2) Static IP available as part of the most expensive package (ie the one costing more than £200 per month)
(3) Static IP available at additional cost.

Shinji

A fast, reliable, affordable always-on connection to the Internet.

Well at the end of the day that's it isn't it; the specific stuff you do (downloading, games etc) may be the reason you get broadband in the first place, but ultimately an always-on connection changes the way you work with your PC entirely. Want a file? Get it. Want to upload something? Do it. Waiting for an email? It'll be there in no time. Want to find something out? Fire up Google and type it in. Want to play a game? Just fire up GameSpy.

The Internet becomes an extension of your PC rather than a magic thing you have to connect to in order to use. That's why broadband is important; it's not lower pings or faster downloads, they're only a part of it. It's the next step of the IT revolution, and Ireland to date has been missing out entirely.

qwertyup

Me, I want speedy downloads, uploads, and 24/7 access to the net so I can update my site when I need to without restrictivce cost, plus I can actually test the code for sites as I write it.

Plus the internet is sooooo damn slow on a modem.

I once made the mistake of going into Trinity with my cousin who is doing a comp course there... and the freaking speed of the stuff! And then to have to return to crappy net access.

Bard

WELL SAID SHINJI!

R. Daneel Olivaw

Originally posted by Hannibal_12


"Two nasty Nazi Cars are after our beautiful lone driver"
BEST BAND EVER.

Damn right!

pork99

It's the next step of the IT revolution, and Ireland to date has been missing out entirely.

and we are in grave danger of continuing to miss out with disasterous consequences;

"I think in the short term, possibly technology firms in America will dominate even more. I think that one of the things that is going to happen in terms of venture capital, it is going to gravitate to the real core traditional places for technology. So it will be Silicon Valley again, it will be Boston, it will probably be around London, bits of Scandinavia, France, Germany and Israel."

from http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/23/22107.html

No mention of Ireland, and with poor availability of bandwith to consumsers and SMEs we are at even more of a disadvantage. So much for the "e-commerce hub" of Europe.

Giblet

Good!, it's seems that my GNR/Vanishing point quote wasn't lost on some people
GNR RULE *At least they *did* rule in the past*

*AHEM*

Mr. Flibble

I asked this question and got three different answers:
(1) Static IP available as part of the two most expensice packages.
(2) Static IP available as part of the most expensive package (ie the one costing more than £200 per month)
(3) Static IP available at additional cost.

I pretty sure I dont know what I'm talking about here, but anyway:
How would you have a dynamic address on ADSL? When would it change? If you were in the middle of downloading an email or web page and it changed wouldn't you loose a load of packets?

SkepticOne

Originally posted by Mr. Flibble


I pretty sure I dont know what I'm talking about here, but anyway:
How would you have a dynamic address on ADSL? When would it change? If you were in the middle of downloading an email or web page and it changed wouldn't you loose a load of packets?

For the time you were logged on it would not change (like ordinary dialup 56K). Each time you log on, you are likely to get a new IP address.

Giblet

Log on, u using linux , NT or call turning on the computer "logging on"
(to be l33t) :) coz u cant really LOG ON with ADSL

SkepticOne

Originally posted by Giblet
Log on, u using linux , NT or call turning on the computer "logging on"
(to be l33t) :) coz u cant really LOG ON with ADSL

You can with PPPoE which is what is being used. I suppose "make a connection" or just "connect" would be a better term.

Chaos-Engine

P R O G R E S S

With current internet connection methods and payment schemes going online is like running a program under a commadore 64... Start it now come back in an hour...
but without ADSL its more like teh next day

Dustaz

Originally posted by P R O F A N I T Y

and esat arn't trialing ADSL they are trialing SDSL which is what i said allready.

No and no matter how many times you sat it , it wont make it any more correct.

11 October 2001

Dear Customer,

DSL is the next essential step for communications in Ireland and we are
striving to provide our customers with the most up to date technology
that we can.

You may have read that eircom and the ODTR are in dispute
over pricing on DSL, resulting in the postponement of eircom's DSL
launch. This pricing dispute obviously impacts on our ability to launch
a DSL service but be assured that Esat is constantly monitoring the
current situation and we are lobbying all parties to try and advance the
rollout of DSL in Ireland.

We at Esat Fusion have been conducting an operational trial of ADSL
technology since July to test ADSL from its installation through to its
every day usage. The full details of our what our DSL package will
entail are still under discussion at industry level. We will update you
as soon as we can.

We at Esat Fusion are committed to providing our customers with quality
service and a range of choice.

Kindest regards

The Customer Care Team
Esat Fusion