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Andromeda
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16-10-2001 4:12pm#1
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I watched the first few episodes of it and thought it fell into the typical 'great pilot, crap series' grouping. I liked the first episode but thought the follow-ups were absolute tripe. Maybe its improved since then, might give it another chance
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Looks like its beiginning to come together, like Gambler has said the Magog earth-ship with the scary shadow guy (the devil?) looks like something that could be expanded on.
IMHO every good scifi series needs an all powerfull enemy that is nasty and all powerfull..examples that spring to mind are the Borg, the founders and the shadows.
That said i lament the "pc" generation of scifi. Nothing has recently come close to Babylon 5 in terms of kick ass fight scenes, damn impressive heros and a plotline that doesnt neatly fit into each episode, ie it grows and expands every show.
Hopefully the Andromeda Asendant will go forth and do battle, frequently, anyhow the ships AI is worth a drool or two in the meantime
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Absolutely but the borg have been a bit too ... "humanised" recently for my likeing, i.e. introduction of species 8472 or what ever their called, kickin the borg around, deals being made with the borg! don't get me wrong i really enjoyed the episodes but ah i don't know they're just not as scarey/intimidateing anymoreOriginally posted by Longfield
IMHO every good scifi series needs an all powerfull enemy that is nasty and all powerfull..examples that spring to mind are the Borg, the founders and the shadows.
p.s. ya andromeda's cool
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And I thought I was the only fan.
Basically it is a relaxing 1 hour's viewing after work that does not tax the mind. The Nietzchian character, Tyr, is well realised and adds some tension given that his motivations are his own and not necessarily that of the Captain.0 -
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Originally posted by Manach
And I thought I was the only fan.
Basically it is a relaxing 1 hour's viewing after work that does not tax the mind. The Nietzchian character, Tyr, is well realised and adds some tension given that his motivations are his own and not necessarily that of the Captain.
Couldn't agree more! The character of Tyr and the whole mummified remains story-line that keeps coming back to bit Dylan in the Ass has so much potential, I really hope they don't Fumble it. They hinted in the episode where they were stranded on the planet with Tyr's old Buddies (;)) that being the posessor of the remains made him rather powerfull in the Nietzchian society (at least in the sense that he was the "keeper" I don't think it would REALLY stop any of the Nietzchian's from killing him if they thought they would benefit from it) and hopefully they will use that when the final battle against the World-ship comes about 0 -
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Oh dear God.
I can tell that you Andromeda fans are the types that loved Earth: Final Conflict
I've yet to hear of anyone actually liking SAAB or Crusader so much more than Earth: Final Conflict, Babylon5, Andromeda or even *shriek* SG-1.
The acting/writing in Andromeda is a major put-off in my opinion. Makes it incredibly hard to watch. Extremely dumbed down in comparison to the Star Treks.
Ah well, I guess I'll have to wait for Enterprise to cheer me up 0 -
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Yes, warp coils, worm-holes, transporters, phase inducers, moleculer dispersion reactors, photonic weapons, tachyon beams, sub-space conduits, nano-technology, time travel, universal translators, úber-l33t Omega molecules, in-depth history on countrless ancient civilisations & bald captains.
I can see how it's dumbed down in comparison to "oh my god, get the gun and fire it at the aliens like you didn't do in Hercules" Andromeda :rolleyes:Originally posted by Shinji
Ann And Barry Go To The Shop
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The guy who played sisco played some super cool PI called Hawk in a trashy American detective show I use to watch. He had his goatie and bald head in that - not the andy peters look he started off DS9 with.
He basicaly use to turn up in his posh clothes and save the good detective, kill some people and drive off in his Merc. He would always charge the good detecive with 'you owe me a new suit'. Class !!
but everytime I see that fella off andromeda - I think of hercules - I try not to, but I do 0 -
Well daw! of course they have...Originally posted by Shinji
Worm holes, a staple of sci-fi for decades.
Converting matter to energy and back again is a difficult process n is prone to outside interfierenceTransporters, another sci-fi staple and conveniently capable of going offline just when your plot demands it. For no apparent reason.
"lasers" ach! there sooo 10years ago, its phasers they use :rolleyes: damn man get with the times!"Photonic weapons" is a fancy way of saying "lasers". No seriously. Think about it.
The nano probs enter the body and assimilate cells to build preprogramed devices with allow the borg to control the recipent!Nano-technology. They didn't exactly make that up, now did they? They didn't exactly comprehend how it works either, for that matter. "Borg nanoprobes! They, uh, do Bad Stuff!" Nice!
and whats wrong with hippys!!!Time travel - but don't mention the space-time continuum or temporal paradoxes. Our writers would get headaches. First rule of time travel in Star Trek - it's a get out of jail clause. Please don't do anything innovative with it. You do get to dress Tuvok up as a hippy though.
Makes more sense than having every race u encounter learn english!Universal Translators - so those will be babelfish then. Saves us having to work out the plot implications of different languages and stuff. And sometimes the crew can LOSE them, and then much hilarity will ensue as they run around and try and work out what everyone is saying!
Klingon history is fairly well documented..."In-depth history on countless alien civilisations".... Oh---kay. You must have been watching a different Star Trek to the one I saw. "Hackneyed, cliched plots surrounding alien civilisations with twists you could see coming a mile off and sod all background" was in the various series of it I've watched. Which one has the in-depth histories? Are you sure you weren't watching SG-1 or B5 by accident?
Vulcan / Romulan devide
Bajorans long history there, prophets, occupation, solar ships etc.
Cardassians ... well theres some stuff about them!
Ferengi ... women goin round in the nude, greedy, money grabbers etc.
Bolians, talent for cosmetic surgery /espionage.
Katairns, make toys but sometimes toys are not what they appear n can be used for other purposes.
Nausicans, hired warriors, always at war with someone.
Bynars, talented with computers, all conected to planetary computer, when one learns something they load it onto the computer n they all learn.
Anagosians, prewarp civilisation, use 'super' soldiers in battles.
Trill, sybiotic race, the joint Trill live for many years, the symbiot remembers all that was learned and experienced from host to host. General population believe only a select few can be 'joined' however a vast majority can be 'joined'.
Need I go on... because I can!
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Maybe in books, but not in the series.Klingon history is fairly well documented...
Which explains why every race has an american accent?Makes more sense than having every race u encounter learn english!
There history is so well documented you can sum it up in 3 words? lolVulcan / Romulan devide
It tooks 7 seasons to get that? heheBajorans long history there, prophets, occupation, solar ships etc.
Every one of these shallow histories that could be summed up in half an episode.Cardassians ... well theres some stuff about them!
Ferengi ... women goin round in the nude, greedy, money grabbers etc.
Bolians, talent for cosmetic surgery /espionage.
Katairns, make toys but sometimes toys are not what they appear n can be used for other purposes.
Nausicans, hired warriors, always at war with someone.
Bynars, talented with computers, all conected to planetary computer, when one learns something they load it onto the computer n they all learn.
Anagosians, prewarp civilisation, use 'super' soldiers in battles.
Trill, sybiotic race, the joint Trill live for many years, the symbiot remembers all that was learned and experienced from host to host. General population believe only a select few can be 'joined' however a vast majority can be 'joined'.0 -
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Originally posted by Ping Chow Chi
The guy who played sisco played some super cool PI called Hawk in a trashy American detective show I use to watch. He had his goatie and bald head in that - not the andy peters look he started off DS9 with.
He basicaly use to turn up in his posh clothes and save the good detective, kill some people and drive off in his Merc. He would always charge the good detecive with 'you owe me a new suit'. Class !!
but everytime I see that fella off andromeda - I think of hercules - I try not to, but I do
Yeah - spotted it on TV last Sunday - it was "Spenser: For Hire".
Anyone see the new episode of Andromeda ("Una Salus Victus") from yesterday (19/11)? That was very good - it'll be repeated late Sunday night if you missed it.
A great quote that kinda gives the ST crew a poke in the eye (from said episode); Beka Valentine yelling at the Eureka Maru computer when it warned that her proximity mines were set to go off too close to the ship:
"...override safety protocols, Authorisation: 'Shut Up And Do What I Damn Tell You!'"
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Originally posted by sutty
Ok I've looked at all of the first season, I've noticed one thing that stands out the most that makes me want to stop looking at Andromeda.......
THEY KEEP REUSING CG SCENES!!!!!
I mean not once but at least 3 times.
IMHO Nothing beats FarScape when it comes to... Plot/Writing/Caruther Development/Class CG bits
Second is B5.......MMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.........white star
Third is Star Gate: SG1
Ah, they're just following an old rule-of-thumb of most sci-fi; in fact most TV; in fact, most EVERYTHING. That simple rule is: "keep it within the budget"
They all do it. I've seen the same six or seven outside close-up shots of the Enterprise-D from TNG in a couple of dozen different episodes between them... same for Voyager, DS9... not so much B5, in fairness, but the number of outside shots was kept at an absolute minimum.
However, the king of the hill when it comes to scene re-use, although considering its age I'd wager CG had little to do with it, was "Battlestar Galactica". They had a nasty habit of reusing SFX scenes a number of times within a single episode - so often, in fact, that by the end of BG's run, I'd swear the master reel was looking a bit worn in spots
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Originally posted by superfly
do you remember Romy used to be part of the new professionals
as for a few points that you've all made
Babylon 5 as stated earlier was a great piece of sci-fi tv and well fulfilled its 5 year arc to bring us something different than the usual reset to zero sci-fi series that was out there, and even if people did compare it to the lord of the rings it was still a well executed piece of plagarism
Andromeda is slowly starting to do something but is still the same derivative stuff out there
the only 2 series that are worth watching at the moment are Stargate and Farscape which apart from its shaky start has turned into a true masterpiece of sci-fi core cult status
As far as Ms. Doig, the less she's in the better
Sadly, B5 suffered budget cuts towards the end and IIRC the creator of the series (Straczynsky, I think you spell it) hadn't the budget to do the ending he wanted, so some corners were cut. Which was a shame, as B5 was probably the best thing Sci-Fi to come in the last 30 years (and that's hard to admit for a die-hard Trek fan like me)
Stargate is losing Michael Shanks (the guy who plays "Daniel Jackson") at the end of this series, so there may be changes, but as they've just hit the magic 100 episodes mark (= US Syndication ad infinitum guaranteed) they will try and milk it for all it's worth, as someone I asked who should be in the know about these things estimates the value of the first runs of the series to be worth $12m or so per episode [edit]not including re-runs :eek: [/edit], based on what other series have earned in syndication. Therefore, they'll try to make it run and run for as long as they can. BTW try to get to see the 100th episode (was on Sky 1 last Wed) if you can - they pull the proverbial urine out of themselves and syndicated TV beautifully - it's very, very funny.
Farscape, for me, is a strange beast - full of promise, great characters, interesting concepts and storylines, or at least as far as a relative newbie to it like me can see. One thing I can't help noticing is that they seem to be hamstrung financially - much of the props, sets and whatever are very mundane, marquees, rooms in peoples houses, theme bars, that sort of thing. Now, don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you have to have these things, but if it wasn't for the fact that (most of) the characters are heavily made-up, you wouldn't really twig that it's Sci-Fi - and maybe, just maybe, that's why it works. Technobabble is kept right down, in what I see, and the crux of most of the story lines is strictly interpersonal, which most people can associate with; a bit like B5, it's more like a soap opera with energy weapons than a run-of-the-mill (I believe someone here used the term "reset-to-zero", which describes it perfectly) sci-fi that is most of what we see.
Actually, can anyone refresh my memory about this "Rockne S. O'Bannon" guy? Had he some hand in "Seaquest" as well?
Thoughts/opinions/comments?
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what did you all think of the end of series 2 of andromeda?
Rev has left on a spiritual exile
Tyr's son is the Neechian messiah
harper had the magog eggs removed but at the cost of one of the best scientists in the galaxy (apparently)
trance has switched places with a future version of herself, so she can do things right!? this time.
Beka and tyr have dissappeared
The commonwealth is starting to reform, and the magog worldship is supposed to re-appear next season.
all in all its getting better and better, the first season reminded me a lot of TNG (throwaway episodes) until the last few episodes.
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