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Why have eircom adsl trials
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01-12-2001 8:28pm#1
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Talk about conspiracy theorys
I dont think they are really trialling in the true beta sense. My dsl worked 'out of the box' as it were, as im willing to bet all the new triallists will.
I think its just a way of a.Enabling exhanges b. Getting customers and c. getting thier bandwith monitoring working. Last time i spoke to an eircom dsl bod off the record, he said they were still a way off being able to monitor traffic suffiently to implement the caps*. wahey:)
* This is complete hearsay. I literally heard it from 'a bloke down the pub' that i know, that happens to work in eircom. Dont quote me on this.0 -
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I dunno, everyone seems to see only the bad side of eircom, they are a company with alot of pi$$ed off shareholders and all companys are out to do the same thing, make profit. I think the adsl trials was a big step and im happy at the way its going, when they find out theres a $hit load of interest in it they will lower the price, also the trials were partly to see what the customer needed, the reason theres a 3 gig cap on the adsl release now is cause only 1% went over 3 gig, they prolly felt no one needs anymore.
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Just a few things:- layke, you're forgetting that eircom ftm still own the LLU, and claim to have 70% of their Dublin exchanges upgraded for DSL. Poor NTL seem to only have lines(albeit of better quality) in 3 major Dublin areas. Even if NTL did have the money tomorrow to pay the extortionate land prices to upgrade everywhere, red tape and stuck-up resident's associations would seriously delay that, such that eircom's ADSL would be out long before the Cable modem. 24.50 p/m Goddamn that's good. but it'll be a looong time before I personally will have the money to buy/rent in one of the areas upgraded for it
Interestingly though, it looks as though eircom are taking in the high rate users to ADSL first, which is expected. But they haven't (IMO) even tried to attempt to educate joe/jane soap,so where are their money-spinner(ie low-rate user) subscribers gonna come from? OK, so we do expect it to be a good while before broadband penetrates the average user, but from what I've seen of my non-savvy friends, NOONE knows what ADSL or i-stream is (in fact ISDN is the only 'internet-type-thingy' they know of from eircom), but they are vauguely(sic) aware of a 'super-fast, cheap and always on' package available from NTL. And plenty of households I know would embrace these (damn cheap) all-in-one packages no probem. After all, wouldn't you opt to get one bill instead of three separate ones?:)
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Originally posted by PiE
Dustaz, could u tell me, is the DSL installation a major operation? Or is it just a small box a la the Cablelink one?
Its exactly as skeptic said. The box is tiny, its not even a box, more like a front panel with 2 phone jacks. The Alcatel USB modem looks like a flat fish (Apple have a lot to answer for in the design stakes;) ) and it also is fairly small. Once the phone jack is converted you could set the whole thing up yourself very easily.Originally posted by JamworkS
Unless you get the DIY ADSL, the technician also has to setup your router/modem to connect, and deliver everything perfect.
The setup is basically checking that syncronizes with the central, that receives the packets, and the most important of them all, that it doesn't loose them (that's the main cause of bad ADSL installations). It's about an hour, hour and a half job.
Nah, thats rubbish After installing the splitter box (took about 10/20 mins , the setup consists of the engineer installing the modem drivers off the cd, installing the eircom connection software, clicking accept to the ToS a couple of times and making sure it connects. The whole procedure took about half an hour.
Due to OS and Computer upgrades, ive re-installed it twice now with no problems. its very straightforward.0 -
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Posted by DustazNah, thats rubbish After installing the splitter box (took about 10/20 mins , the setup consists of the engineer installing the modem drivers off the cd, installing the eircom connection software, clicking accept to the ToS a couple of times and making sure it connects. The whole procedure took about half an hour.
At home, the installation took that long. If it didn't to you, fair play to Eircom .
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I was talking to a very loyal €ircom employee(a friend of a friend) last night. I have some facts that everyone may or may not know already, but it always help to keep saying it.
27 exchanges in Dublin are ready for ADSL. NO exchanges outside Dublin are going to be touched until 6 months after the official launch(unless its held back more than 3 more months), and NO service is going to be offered outside Dublin for another 2-3 YEARS!!.
As above, the situation should be resolved by Feb at the latest. He seemed under the impression that it was being held up because competitors were complaining that the wholesale charge of £86 p/m was too low (?)
but the real reason was because Esat aren't ready to offer ADSL services and so are trying to thwart €ircon's chances of getting there first. Maybe this is what they are telling their employees or maybe it's just his thoughts on it, I dunno.
As for the service itself, you already know. For the trials, installation, usage and modem are free. If you decide to keep it once it's properly launched, you still don't have to pay rental on the modem Cap is 3G, with a 2p charge for every MByte over that. He fully admitted that DACS boxes are in wide use and that most subscribers around the country will never get more than 33Kbps on 56K, and it's quite unlikely you'll be able to run ADSL through a DACS aswell
He also freely admitted that the point of these 'trials' is to secure customers, not trial the technology. So to be in with a chance, you want a PSTN line to yourself, closeish to the exchange, and all you poor sods who bought ISDN lines will have to go back and pay £100 (80 ex-vat) for a new PSTN. The gist of another one of his statements was - 'If you get above 43K on your line now and are on a compatible exchange, there is no reason why you can't get ADSL'. Line tests my @ss.
He refused to give me any documents instead wishing to proudly display his own mental knowledge of it. Of course he drew a blank when I mentioned LLU and FRIACO :rolleyes:0 -
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27 exchanges in Dublin are ready for ADSL. NO exchanges outside Dublin are going to be touched until 6 months after the official launch(unless its held back more than 3 more months), and NO service is going to be offered outside Dublin for another 2-3 YEARS!!.
This might sound like a totally stupid question but im going to ask it n e way.
If a person liveing in the ass h0le of Ireland pays the same amount for calls/services as a person liveing in Dublin pays...
are they not also entitled to the same quality of service provided by Eircon to the people in Dublin at the same time ? I TOTALLY! mean no offence to anyone in Dublin. But think about it. For years people from outside Dublin have been putting up with waiting for Eircom to make the same services available to them. An example of this is: I have a Eircom ISDN ok Eircom High-Speed line. I dial into my ISP and go to a game server and have a ping of 250 - 300+ . A guy in Dublin with a 56k Modem logs into the same server and has a 90 to 110 ping. EG: 2 We both log into the same site to download a 5meg file. His 56k connection gets 5.8KB.sec and i get 6.4KBsec. We both have the same ISP.... ?
This is an issue i have brought to Eircom b 4 on several occasions. One Eircom reply i got was that some people have better lines than others.... DOH! Ok i admit to being an idiot. But why do we accept this as standard ? I know there are loads of Teccy! things can be said about this but b 4 ye reply. Ask yourself this.... if you were from a pore family and scrimped and saved and paid £40 for a square of Chocolate and someone else from a rich family paid the same amount but got a much bigger square of it.... how would you feel ? I know the way i put that was CRAP! But anyone who has been through this will understand exactly what i mean. Ok i know i going to get a lot of FLACK from the Tech guys out there. Cant do this becaouse of that ETC. But the thing is.... Why NoT ?? And if not can we not pay less ?
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If eircom are going to wait 2-3 years to hook up the rest of the country then they may as well not bother
As with my comments to Boston, I think this needs to be taken with a pinch of salt. In fact, I think all IrelandOffline members should really take the salt cellar with them when they're going to phone Eircom. Maybe even a value pack from Aldi. There's an awful lot of guff coming out of the Eircom call centre, probably through unintentional ignorance and disinformation inside Eircom.
me thinks that the cable companies will offer the wireless internet and will have taken a good foothold in two years if that happened.
Although just like everything else it's not guaranteed, I think there's a better than average chance of consumer and SME FWA taking off big time in Ireland, and I get the feeling the Regulator feels the same way. It's an imperfect solution that could lead to a lot of interference across the radio spectrum and plenty of tantrums because of that, but it's something that will drive competition hard.
Eircom, the OLO's and the cableco's will be forced to compete if FWA starts happening to any reasonable level, but it really needs someone to kickstart the process, and that's obviously not going to be Chorus. IrishWAN will give people a kick in the teeth if it gets up-and-running though. All those people getting the Internet for cost? There'll be burst blood vessels in the boardrooms!
It works out cheaper than adsl too so eircom would be pretty stupid to wait two years
At certain levels, Eircom's stupidity is immeasureable fcddunne...
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Ooooooooh Kaaaaay........
I think i see what you mean....
About not being able to get ADSL over ISDN, according to Alcatel (the crowd supplying the feckin adapters......)fromhere:
ADSL stands for Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line. This technology allows you to use the whole bandwidth of a standard telephone copper cabling.
While the POTS ( Plain Old Telephone Service ) uses the frequencies between 300 and 3100Hz, the higher frequencies normally remain unused. ADSL uses the frequencies between 30KHz and 1.1MHz to transport data, leaving your telephone connection, as crystal and pure as ever.
ADSL can be easily and seamlessly combined with the existing ISDN lines. So no need to worry, if you already have one.
Also I highly disagree with the use of DACS lines.
I'm basically paying for a static IP (my phone number) and bandwidth (when I make a phone call). The DACS box halfs your bandwidth. This has two effects:
(1) you get a max of 28.8kbps (may show as 31200bps in windows, but don't kid yourself)
(2) it degrades the quality sound on the line.
It is actually quite hard to hear people on our phone at home because of this DACS line and I've had people ask me to speak up!?! I have a loudish voice normally so this was quite a shock the first time.
I Have rang Errorcom's 'help desk' (hollow laughter in backgroud) several times asking them to please 'fix it'(deliberately not asking anything too technical for fear of frying the dumb ignorant arrogant Biatch's mind), then explaining that this was in breach of the service contract, then demanding they remove it, then threatening to go to Chorus if they didn't comply with my demands (which were reasonable i felt - I simply wanted the level of service I was paying for). To the threat i was furnished with the mobile number of the telecoms engineer, whom I rang and asked to remove the DACS box from my house. Was told he'd be out that monday (this was friday/saturday). He never showed up.
He did say however that there was a 'shortage' of copper cable, and that is why they use DACS boxes.
Bovine Faeces I say.
Prehaps they wouldn't listen to me on the phone, but by fluck they'll listen to me mother when she starts ranting that she can't talk easily on the phone and that it's costing her business money because customers can't hear her over the phone and she can't send email fast enough and she can't afford ISDN and ADSL would suit her business down to the ground but she can't get it because of the DACS box and bitch moan whinge bitch moan whine etc.
Should be fun
*for reasons of clarity of purpose place inverted commas around each instance of the word business above*0
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