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ando · 13-12-2001 11:01am

yes, just tryied it from work (128Kb) average ping = 32

I know some people think we should'nt be complaining about ping times and all that, but for some ppl like myself, having a low ping is very important and is a big issue when going for something like this ...

Boston · 13-12-2001 2:16pm

its stil like half what a 56k is, isnt it?

ando · 13-12-2001 3:45pm

well, on barrysworld, I get anything from 220 upwards ... when there's less than 4 people on the server. I sure would welcome a ping of 60, but if you remember.. one excuse eircom gave for the high prices they intend to charge for I-Scream is because, they 'say' it is a better quality DSL service than england.... but going on what ppl are saying about getting a ping of 60 .... I'm wondering just where eircom are getting this 'better quality' excuse from ??

Dustaz · 13-12-2001 6:46pm

welcome to DSL land guys:) nice to have you aboard, i was beginning to feel lonely here:)

A couple of things, Your ping will actually be _higher_ in server than what you see when you do a dos ping to the servers. I get a ping of around 70 or 80 to Irish servers and about 90-100 to BW servers. Yes, your ping would probably be better with a good tweaked ISDN but a) so what, its better than 250 ping and b) YOUVE GOT ADSL and all that comes with it

The PPPOE implementation that boston is talking about is indeed the dogs furry bits. It works well with both 98 and Win2k (ive used it on both) and is MUCH MUCH cleaner than Eircoms software. You can grab it here

RASPPOE

The contract that you sign is indeed just a T&C thing that includes standard stuff about not being a child pornographer, not going to the papers and stuff like that.

The novelty of downloading like a mad thing wears off after a while, but the novelty of having a good always on connection for anything that you might need or want never does.

If yis have any questions about troubleshooting the installer or RASPPOE or anything, PM me here or look for me on the boards irc channel.

TrickyKid · 13-12-2001 7:32pm

Originally posted by alastair
dunno. I'm just the man with the questions at the moment.

I'm probably just getting overexcited about 'the eircom man' coming around to fix me up on friday. I'll likely get a mac rigged up first and worry about the pc afterwards. I know sod all about xp (or any windows stuff really)

I wonder will I be the first mac person on the trial?

not a chance

I've had mine in my titanium since the 6th and it is 'splendid'. I also know a couple of users from the last time.

Actually this is an area where Apple's location manager is a complete god send. I switch from Proxy Server based leased line in the office, to ADSL at home or to dial up modem at someone else's and change all my settings (TCP/IP, Browser Prefences and more) at literally the touch of a button.

Beautiful.

Boston · 13-12-2001 7:33pm

Originally posted by ando
well, on barrysworld, I get anything from 220 upwards ... when there's less than 4 people on the server. I sure would welcome a ping of 60, but if you remember.. one excuse eircom gave for the high prices they intend to charge for I-Scream is because, they 'say' it is a better quality DSL service than england.... but going on what ppl are saying about getting a ping of 60 .... I'm wondering just where eircom are getting this 'better quality' excuse from ??

Higher bandwidth, off bt they only have one standard version os adsl, soon to be 2, were as eircom have 4. its a load of bullox really.

i have to agree with Dustaz, it does have the nice taste of free

Lemming · 13-12-2001 7:33pm

Originally posted by Dustaz
welcome to DSL land guys:) nice to have you aboard, i was beginning to feel lonely here:)

A couple of things, Your ping will actually be _higher_ in server than what you see when you do a dos ping to the servers. I get a ping of around 70 or 80 to Irish servers and about 90-100 to BW servers.

Bastids!! :P

here's me stuck on good auld (un)reliable POTS with a whopping 56k

phaxx · 13-12-2001 9:40pm

*sigh*

I'll ask again, where can I find a list of the upgraded exchanges? Is the Lucan area included?

Boston · 13-12-2001 10:18pm

you can find a PDF file on eircoms, site, at least you could.

it was marked out phase 1 2 and 3 of the dublin upgrade.
they have finished phase 1 and are half way through phase 2
it will have a list of exchanges

cmkrnl · 13-12-2001 11:50pm

Originally posted by Hobbes

Yes, that's pretty sh!te ping. I could get around that on my Cable modem to Barrysworld from the US.

Sorry, moderator or not :-), a 30ms ping for a trans atlantic hop is utter bollocks. Whatever told you that is lying to you.

[on a side note]

I am averaging 20ms to bwserver45.barrysworld.com which is currently 10 hops from me here on Easynet. I would recommend that Boston download PingPlotter

http://www.pingplotter.com/

& it should rapidly identify the hop causing most congestion. This I reckon will most likely be the peering hop at telehouse. Or possibly the one over the Irish Sea. It should be pretty evident.

The best I have seen tier-1 to tier-1 over the big pond is 60-80 tops. Even UUNETs SLAs (which I have seen) only guarantee 80.

greg

cmkrnl · 14-12-2001 12:05am

Originally posted by ando
.. one excuse eircom gave for the high prices they intend to charge for I-Scream is because, they 'say' it is a better quality DSL service than england....

Not to put too fine a point on it , if eircom are saying that, they are talking complete scutter (what else is new). The DSL service here on ethernet has 20:1 contention with a 256k back channel, the USB service is 50:1 with a 256k back channel. So better in what way precisely ?

Also I am amazed (correct me if I am wrong here guys ) you have to installed PPPOE on your PC with the ethernet service !? This is complete ****! Here the point to point encapsulation over ATM is handled by the DSL router (as it should be). How f*cked up is that. Sounds like there will be roaring trade in Linksys 4 port firewalls. Buy.com are doing them here for £80+VAT.

But I cant say I am suprised, this is the company you remember, that allegedly deployed 3 differing makes of digital exchanges that wouldnt work with each other, of which at least one 'brand' had to undergo VERY expensive line card replacement because they couldn't do euroISDN properly by default, even though FWIH, they were told before purchase that this would cause problems. Wonder what policticians/civil servants retirement fund benefitted from that purchase.

greg

Lemming · 14-12-2001 12:44pm

Originally posted by «Bo§ton»
you can find a PDF file on eircoms, site, at least you could.

it was marked out phase 1 2 and 3 of the dublin upgrade.
they have finished phase 1 and are half way through phase 2
it will have a list of exchanges

Any chance of posting a url for it?? Or telling me whereabouts on the EirCon site it is?? I can't seem to find it (aren't I a clever boy?) :rolleyes:

dahamsta · 14-12-2001 12:47pm

Technical, and too depressing for (most) IO members.

Moving to Net/Comms...

The Cigarette Smoking Man · 14-12-2001 1:08pm

Originally posted by m1ke
a 60 ping on DSL to barrysworld is **** to be honest, I get 30 and i'm on ISDN.

You'll get different pings depending on which ISP you use. The best one to use if you have Eircom.net is jolt.

[root@cs /root]# ping www.jolt.co.uk
PING clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11) from 213.190.152.154 : 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=0 ttl=249 time=11.062 msec
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=1 ttl=249 time=9.968 msec
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=2 ttl=249 time=9.972 msec
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=3 ttl=249 time=9.969 msec
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=4 ttl=249 time=9.963 msec
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=5 ttl=249 time=9.971 msec
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=6 ttl=249 time=9.970 msec

--- clarity.jolt.co.uk ping statistics ---
7 packets transmitted, 7 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/mdev = 9.963/10.125/11.062/0.382 ms

alastair · 14-12-2001 1:56pm

eircom installer man has been and gone. Up and running with the 4 port ethernet modem. The setup process for xp is a piece of piss (see other thread for details). I need to go out and buy some cat 5 cable for the other boxes now :-)

the installer seemed convinced eircom would be forced to drop their prices by the regulator. Installation took just 30 mins or so.

ando · 14-12-2001 6:12pm

Originally posted by Lemming

Any chance of posting a url for it?? Or telling me whereabouts on the EirCon site it is?? I can't seem to find it (aren't I a clever boy?) :rolleyes:

I think this is the one he was on about:

http://www.eircom.ie/bveircom/pdf/adsl.pdf

page 23, you'll find a list of exchanges upgraded ...

ando · 14-12-2001 6:14pm

Originally posted by The Cigarette Smoking Man

[root@cs /root]# ping www.jolt.co.uk
PING clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11) from 213.190.152.154 : 56(84) bytes of data.
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=0 ttl=249 time=11.062 msec
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=1 ttl=249 time=9.968 msec
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=2 ttl=249 time=9.972 msec
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=3 ttl=249 time=9.969 msec
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=4 ttl=249 time=9.963 msec
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=5 ttl=249 time=9.971 msec
64 bytes from clarity.jolt.co.uk (195.149.21.11): icmp_seq=6 ttl=249 time=9.970 msec

--- clarity.jolt.co.uk ping statistics ---
7 packets transmitted, 7 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max/mdev = 9.963/10.125/11.062/0.382 ms

Just curious, but what are you using to ping the server with ? Its obviosly not Ms-Dos ??

Mountjoy Mugger · 14-12-2001 7:01pm

Originally posted by ando

Just curious, but what are you using to ping the server with ? Its obviosly not Ms-Dos ??

Some flavour of *nix maybe?

In any case, I tried pinging jolt a few minutes ago and here's what I got:

Pinging clarity.jolt.co.uk [195.149.21.11] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=71ms TTL=248
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=60ms TTL=248
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=60ms TTL=248
Reply from 195.149.21.11: bytes=32 time=60ms TTL=248

Ping statistics for 195.149.21.11:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 60ms, Maximum = 71ms, Average = 62ms

Six times faster you are, it seems? You got more than plain old aDSL 512/128 version, then? Huh?

segadreamcast · 14-12-2001 7:48pm

Originally posted by dahamsta
BAXTARDS!

No offense like.

adam

My thoughts exactly *sigh*:mad:

Oh well...maybe by Feb :rolleyes:

PiE · 15-12-2001 11:23pm

You know how someone said the engineer would ring you a few days before the installation to confirm it? Was that true? Or can I actually leave my house between Monday and Thursday?

SantaHoe · 15-12-2001 11:36pm

Originally posted by Dustaz
Yes, your ping would probably be better with a good tweaked ISDN

I've got IDSN... got any good tweaks?

alastair · 16-12-2001 12:14am

Originally posted by PiE
You know how someone said the engineer would ring you a few days before the installation to confirm it? Was that true? Or can I actually leave my house between Monday and Thursday?

I didn't get a call until the morning of installation day (to change the install time).
Don't know about anyone else's story.

Boston · 16-12-2001 1:48am

not only did he not ring, but hell he didnt even use the right contact number, that a lession to nver believe eircom

Lemming · 16-12-2001 2:52am

Originally posted by ando
I think this is the one he was on about:

http://www.eircom.ie/bveircom/pdf/adsl.pdf

page 23, you'll find a list of exchanges upgraded ...

Cheers Ando!!

I'll read the full thingy tomorrow. It's late, I've been playing paintball all day, and my eyes are bleeding (well .. not really, but you get the idea ) from lack of sleep !!

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