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Karl Hungus

Originally posted by Lemming
To the fore cometh the elitist snobbery.

Tell ye what pronapster. I'm listening to David Bowie ("Ziggy Stardust") right now ... yet you'll find me in Bruxelles rock-bar most weekends. I've been listening to metal for about the last .. oh ... 12 years. Am I any less a "metalhead" than you?

Pff...
Don't take Pornapster so seriously.

You know well that he means 'Proper Metalhead' in a broad sense, and he's only discounting the "I liek limp bizkit! I R metal!" type. Especialy since his 'Snobbery' was directed at what could be interperated as a flame...

No need to get into a whole rant about it.

I mean, I listen to David Bowie, and other stuff that isn't 'Metal', and Pornapster wouldn't DARE tell me that I'm not 'Metal' or I would visit upon him pain, anguish, misery and a bop on the noggin.

Shorty

James your probably right

Oeneus

Not all Hairy Rockers are Angry and Grumpy. Look at Slash from Guns N' Roses for example. He's like the happiest and hairy bastard you've ever seen, and that singer from Skid Row, and Alice Cooper. He's happy(ish).

Shiminay

Well, I'm a metal fan and the only potential give away is the long flowing locks on top of my head (but I'm a computer programmer so that's another stereotype covered). I don't "dress metal" whatever that means.

It's not about that - it's about a style of music - WTF does your clothing or length of hair have to do with it?

Listen to the music and enjoy.

Shred

Well I am a metalhead still (since i was about 8 or 9 & having been subjected to AC/DC and Motorhead for a few years by my brothers, i finally succumbed :cool: )

I did have hair down to me arse and i did dress in black (not goth though:) ) and I still sometimes regret getting me hair cut 3-4 years down the line... But I was always impeccably groomed;) , as were most of the rivetheads I knew (of course there were/are exceptions).

I do listen to a far greater variety of music now (well for the last 7/8 tears) but I'd have to say that the current metal scene is freaking B.O.R.I.N.G. - it has no guts - and i don't mean guts a la Carcass either!

Limp Bizkit, Pap Roach etc. - they aren't metal bands in my opinion, they're just pop bands with a few heavy riffs thrown in and even bloody Metallica (God be with the days of 'Puppets, ...And justice) have gone to **** long ago

Thank God Lemmy's liver hasn't packed it in just yet:D

Lemming

Originally posted by Kharn
it's about a style of music - WTF does your clothing or length of hair have to do with it?

Listen to the music and enjoy.

Well said Kharn!! Any idiot can wear this piece of clothing or that, as is frequently demonstrated on sat. night, eg. some girl wearing a "rock chick" top but doesn't remotely like (or have a clue about) rock, and is BIG into steps and s-club7 *lol*
not that I'm complaining about the tops cause most of the girls wearing them are rather .. um .. 'tasty' to say the least

cournioni

Originally posted by Lemming
To the fore cometh the elitist snobbery.

Tell ye what pronapster. I'm listening to David Bowie ("Ziggy Stardust") right now ... yet you'll find me in Bruxelles rock-bar most weekends. I've been listening to metal for about the last .. oh ... 12 years. Am I any less a "metalhead" than you?

Originally posted by Robbo
...As opposed to the non-proper ones who *aren't* into Slayer?

*sigh*
I meant that as an example you cumbuckets.

Do you agree that Papa Roach is a Metal Band, or maybe you think Linkin Park are metal... after all its your opinion :rolleyes:

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

i don't think good metal has died, i't just gone deeper underground with respect to MTV (that being said i think likin park and papa roach are pretty damned good anyway).

just look at bands like Blind guardian, Hammerfall, helloween, Iced Earth, nevermore, nightwish..
(maybe even less than jake ).

but metal ain't dead, ya just need to know where to find it. most decent online stores have an above average metal selection.

Mordeth, who is eagerly awaiting the new Blind Guardian album

cournioni

Originally posted by Mordeth
but metal ain't dead, ya just need to know where to find it. most decent online stores have an above average metal selection.

Earache Records has a good online store.

yellum

Whats becoming scary is that soon Korn and Limp Bizkit and Slipknot will be the established bands of Metal.

C'Mon Sepultura, Pantera and your strong metal bretheren.

Metal at the moment is going through a "New Romantic" kind of era. Image and makeup and theatrical stunts are as important as the musical content.

Another thing, are there any metal badasses anymore ? Not just metal , how about rock ? Wheres the Axl Roses and Ozzys of this era ?

cournioni

I still do not agree that those bands should be called metal apart from Slipknot maybe who should be put under Industrial or something. *shrugs*

But Limp Bizkit labeled themselves as a metal band. Which I totally disagree with.

Korn sorta started off as a metal band but I would put them under alternative or something.

And youre right yellum. These bands are ruining the image of metal.

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
Slipknot maybe who should be put under Industrial or something.

:eek:

WTF do Slipknot have to do with Industrial!?
There's nothing about them even remotely Industrial!

Besides... They love to preach about how they're a "Death Metal" band. What could be worse?

I suppose that it would always help to give the kids an idea of what Death Metal ISN'T, and when they'd hear something like Lock Up (Nick Barkers Death/Grind band) or Cryptopsy they would totally ****ing **** themselves!

Robbo

To quote the mighty Manowar: "DEATH TO FALSE METAL!"

WhiteWashMan

to be honest metal has just changed its image.
thats all.
it started out as a hippie stuff with good riffs and long hair and big moustaches like deep purple and led zepplin.
then it started to get a lot 'heavier as people experimented and we got the likes of black sabbith. motor head came along with their own bassy style and ac/dc were very mich light bluesy metal.
and then it got messy.
most of the time when people refer to meteal they are refering to what is probably the 'popular' metal of the era. for me, metal was metallica, anthrax, megadeth and slayer. they were th big 4.
the there was testement, dark angle and suicidal tendencies (still my favourite)
all that stuff was fairly muc middle of the road stuff, bit of skate thrash, but mostly it was just guys playing good riffs and shaling their head in a funny way.
late nineties was popularised by guns and roses and stuff like that and glam became popular again. god knows why, but i did always like unskinny bop by poison
then in the early nineties death metal really kicked off. the band death had been around and we started seeing a lot of bands in england following suit. we had all the earache bands. napalm death, carcass, obituary, paradise lost (another great band) and the greatest of them all

LAWNMOWER DEATH!

and if anyone has any of their albums, id love a copy please.
now, nu-metal (can people not spell new?) its the likes of limp bikit ro whateverthey are called and other mucjk that i prrsonally fdont like. but its just nmeatl going through change the way it does every few years. it just means that media of music is growing and living and changing. its all valid, but its not to everyones taste. im sure theres many a forty year old who listens to his sabith albums but who hates metallica etc. theres lots of metallica nd slayer fans who dont like this nu-metal music. no doubt in a few years time, the nu-metalers will reminise about the good ol days of linkin park, and who are these new wave long haired freaks anyway.

ona personal note, i cant understand the position that so many people take with regard to their personal taste in music. its nice when other share your taste in music and its nice to have little bonding seesion, but id prefer to listen to classical myself, or my old iron maiden albums than listen to your crappy shíty music

with regard to yellum, i think you will find that manson plank is todays version of ozzy osborne and axl rose (god bless his sweet voice) has been replaced with the fred durst git. ever era has its media stars. we just like think our ones, back in the days when all this were green fields (And i remember then too) were alot more talented, a lot more badder, and a lot less wánkerish than todays bunch of morons.
if you think about it, they were all morons anyway.

and ozzy wouldnt get on stage if we didnt get him 5000 bwwon m&m's.- waynes world.

WhiteWashMan

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
I still do not agree that those bands should be called metal apart from Slipknot maybe who should be put under Industrial or something. *shrugs*

But Limp Bizkit labeled themselves as a metal band. Which I totally disagree with.

Korn sorta started off as a metal band but I would put them under alternative or something.

And youre right yellum. These bands are ruining the image of metal.

as it was in 'my time' youre not ametal band unles you can be catagorized.
how can 'ruin' the image of metal?
the more popular it becomes the more you tend to think that it becoming ruined or 'conformist' or that some band has sold out becuase they became popular a la anthrax with state of whatsitcalled. one with anti-social (top song) on it.
why dont you make up a label for korn and stick them in there?

try listening to the music instead of wrestling with it.
be at one with the riff.
you will find life far more pleasing if you stop to smell the roses.

yes, i had a zen weekend.
3 posts this morning and i havent been abusive once

Lemming

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan

with regard to yellum, i think you will find that manson plank is todays version of ozzy osborne and axl rose (god bless his sweet voice) has been replaced with the fred durst git.

Axl has reformed a new crew for GnR as far as I am aware, and the played a gig there last month (or maybe November .. can't remember) in Las Vegas or something. Dunno. It was in the paper (just a small section) cause he left instructions to NOT let any former bandmates see them play.

Still Axl eh??

and ozzy wouldnt get on stage if we didnt get him 5000 bwwon m&m's.- waynes world.

heheheheh .. classic

cournioni

Originally posted by AngelWhore


:eek:

WTF do Slipknot have to do with Industrial!?
There's nothing about them even remotely Industrial!

*shrug* What are they then?

cournioni

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan

how can 'ruin' the image of metal?

Well... Rapping is not exactly a part of metal is it? Metal normally consisted of solos before this crapy music came in... And I'll leave it at that unless you want me to answer any more of these questions...

try listening to the music instead of wrestling with it.

I have done so already. Its still ****.

Robbo

quote:Originally posted by AngelWhore




WTF do Slipknot have to do with Industrial!?
There's nothing about them even remotely Industrial!


*shrug* What are they then?

For the love of all that is sane, here we go again with the pigeonhole principle. Band A belongs in Box Y, Band B belongs in Box X and never the twain shall meet.

There is *nothing* more pathetic than a pedantic metalhead trying to find some rationale for persistant hair splitting in the name of distingushing him from the rest.

Ph3n0m

hmmmmmmm


slipknot - group of guys in masks kicking the snot out of each on stage (hell they must be scary since the Parents Council of Ireland, got them banned from playing at the Point awhile back)

Yes I do listen to them

What is popular heavy metal?
What does nu-metal mean?

Just because I have long hair, a beard and work in computers - am I a geek or a metal-head, or some weird hybrid called "Metal-Geek"??????

Does anyone care about this thread anymore?

Who am I actually talking too?

Bruxelles still stinks of urine

Fibbers (or Aquarium) - still charge in at the door - WHY!????!!!

Anyone on this board who goes to bruxelles - do I know you???

Am I finished - I think so!

WhiteWashMan

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER


Well... Rapping is not exactly a part of metal is it? Metal normally consisted of solos before this crapy music came in... And I'll leave it at that unless you want me to answer any more of these questions...

it must be a great experience to be able to define to the world what sort of music people should be and how they are doing it wrong.....

rapping is not part of metal?
hmmmm, anthrax and dr-dre.
run dmc and aerosmith.
er, most of the judgement night sound track
most nu-metal revolves around rapping and scratching.
just because its not common, or in your view good, doesnt mean it doesnt have a place.
god, stop putting verything in a box.
try to step outside your own boundries for a while a take a good look at whats around you.
music that involves breaking your forehead against the wall and making your ears bleed is not the only type of 'metal' out there.

Lemming

Originally posted by Ph3n0m
Just because I have long hair, a beard and work in computers - am I a geek or a metal-head, or some weird hybrid called "Metal-Geek"??????

METALLI-GEEK!! Sorry ... couldn't resist that one. I'll go hang my head in shame now

Bruxelles still stinks of urine

Not to mention the air condition STILL doesn't work (well .. when did it ever - those bast'ids in the indy bar get the air conditioning and we don't!! grrrr).

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by Robbo


For the love of all that is sane, here we go again with the pigeonhole principle. Band A belongs in Box Y, Band B belongs in Box X and never the twain shall meet.

There is *nothing* more pathetic than a pedantic metalhead trying to find some rationale for persistant hair splitting in the name of distingushing him from the rest.

Oh, shut up Robbo.
This isn't a case of pigeonholing!
Are you just waiting for any opportunity to blurt that out?

Try and come up with a decent arguement now, will you?

It's a simply fact that there is simply NOTHING in Slipknots music that relates to industrial music in ANY way, shape or form.

You either agree, or disagree.
If you disagree, have some valid points.

This blurting out of "Pigeonhole!" is tiring as ****.


Slipknot are the metal eqiuvelant of a boy band. They are a crappy nu-metal GWAR rip-off.
It's plain to see that they share nothing with bands like Die Krupps, Sulpher, Bella Morte, Switchblade Symphony...

So shut the stuff up with the pigeonhole rubbish already.

Ph3n0m

Originally posted by Lemming


Not to mention the air condition STILL doesn't work (well .. when did it ever - those bast'ids in the indy bar get the air conditioning and we don't!! grrrr).

air-conditioning............hmmmm I'm sorry but I am not familiar with that word.


and is it just me or did Bruxelles seat more people before they screwed around with the decor (and I use the word decor very, very loosely)

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan
paradise lost (another great band)

cournioni

Originally posted by WhiteWashMan

rapping is not part of metal?
hmmmm, anthrax and dr-dre.
run dmc and aerosmith.

I'm not saying its wrong to have rap guests on some metal songs... but its the way the nu-metal bands use it on EVERY song on their albums. Its just not original... even though they may say it is.

Secondly... Aerosmith? Metal? LMAO!! ... you gotta be kidding...

Ph3n0m

Originally posted by Lemming
METALLI-GEEK!! Sorry ... couldn't resist that one. I'll go hang my head in shame now QUOTE]


Hmmm well Lemming I will just have to guess who you are in Bruxelles and kill you.........lol either that or buy you a pint for the most original joke on this thread

Robbo

So shut the stuff up with the pigeonhole rubbish already.

Pigeonholing is what stifles good music. Instantly discounting a band (in this case the loathsome Slipknot) into the big bundle that is "non-industrial" is a rash and fallacious decision. All musical genres are wide open to interpretation with infinite grey areas and either/ors.

Little else to say other than by discounting Slipknot as non-industrial proves the case in hand.

Here endeth my arguement (sic).

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by Robbo


Pigeonholing is what stifles good music. Instantly discounting a band (in this case the loathsome Slipknot) into the big bundle that is "non-industrial" is a rash and fallacious decision. All musical genres are wide open to interpretation with infinite grey areas and either/ors.

Little else to say other than by discounting Slipknot as non-industrial proves the case in hand.

Here endeth my arguement (sic).

*Sigh*

You say yourself that all musical genres are wide open to interpretation, and then blurb "PIGEONHOLE!" at any junction where someone disagrees with someone else on a band/genre?

Your ranting sir, is as solid as soggy tissue paper.

Robbo

I withdraw as I am no fan of the pantomime. ("Oh no it isn't", "Oh yes it is")