No offence, but Metal?!?

Robbo

It's all so stilted and overly-pronounced, "I was listening to Slayer earlier and now I'm listening to the Flowerpot Men, I'm diverse, I'm hip, I'm with it, love me Scott"

I'm listening to Placebo right now.
Was listening to some Buddy Rich earlier.

You have just proved what I was postulating.

You really do just love to pounce when you hear the word "Metal" dont you?

Natch.

Karl Hungus

Couldn't be that I was listening to that stuff because I like it? Oh, no not at all! :rolleyes:

Lets not forget who borrowed who's Tool album?

NeRb666

Originally posted by AngelWhore
Hehe...

Pornapster.

What about Hellhammer?

He plays with about 50 different bands, goes on tour with a load of Jazz bands and everything.
Was also in the Guinness Book of World records at some stage.
And he's a master of just about every style of drumming there is.

I'd like to see ANY drummer from ANY form of music try and touch what he does.

Mick Harris from Napalm Death was in the Guinness Book of Records a few years ago. I don't remember why exactly, but the guy was insane back in the day. I think Trym would give either of them a run for their money too.

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by NeRb666

Mick Harris from Napalm Death was in the Guinness Book of Records a few years ago. I don't remember why exactly, but the guy was insane back in the day. I think Trym would give either of them a run for their money too.

Never knew Mick Harris was in the book, but never was a Napalm Death fan, so...

Trym is ****ing amazing though. Not as good as Hellhammer.
But on the Emperor video, seeing him do the opening to Curse You All Men is just downright blinding! It's just a flurry of drumsticks! Just makes you ache looking at him do it!

Dagon

I'm listening to Blind Guardian now. I was listening to Holst earlier... hahaha!!

But you are right Robbo, some of us do go somewhat over the top to stress the point that we don't listen to Metallica all day long...

However, there is a reason. I mean, fans of Heavy metal more than anyone else are put into this "narrow-minded stereotype" box, but this is misconception based on the lifestlyle and attitude of the few.

You only have to look around, you will learn that most people are rather ill-informed when it comes to the admittedly confusing and quite multi-faceted modern Metal climate. The person who started this thread for starters!

But there you go... hopefully that does something to explain to you why it's hard for us to resist the whole "hey look at me, I'm really open minded, aren't I cool too?". **** it, as a scene we have been avoided by charts and press for so many years now, we just want to set things straight because of the lack of coverage (and it's a losing battle).

Yeah AngelWhore - the new Iced Earth is great. Not as good as the last one but great nonetheless! You should buy the new album by Blaze (ex-Iron Maiden) - it's great too!! Better than any Maiden from the last 10 years anyway heheh..

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by Dagon
Yeah AngelWhore - the new Iced Earth is great. Not as good as the last one but great nonetheless! You should buy the new album by Blaze (ex-Iron Maiden) - it's great too!! Better than any Maiden from the last 10 years anyway heheh..

I only have 3 Iced Earth albums: Horror Show, Something Wicked This Way Comes, and Burnt Offerings. Thought Horror show was the best out of those 3. But thats just me.

Haven't heard the new Blaze, but I'll give it a go.

Dagon

Check out www.metalireland.com

The best Irish Metal site in the world - with a nice forum to boot

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

"I'm listening to Blind Guardian now. "

dude, you rock


*turns up "another holy war"*

Dagon

Are you into Rhapsody Mordeth? If not, then rush out right now and buy "Symphony of Enchanted Lands" - neo-classical "symphonic epic Heavy Power Metal" with a fantasy based theme and artwork, dragons, swords the lot!!! So if you're into sci-fi/fantasy stuff and Metal, you should enjoy it

And if you're big into sci-fi you just have to have Gamma Ray "Somewhere out in Space"!

Tazz T

jeez that's the first time I've come across www.metalireland.com

it's feckin brill.

NeRb666

Yeah it's a great site alright, the best place to get news.

Shred

Mick Harris from Napalm Death was in the Guinness Book of Records a few years ago. I don't remember why exactly, but the guy was insane back in the day

Probably for being the biggest wanker in death metal:p

Never had anytime for him, I always thought he was a crap drummer:rolleyes:

On the subject of metal drummers - what about Sean Reinert?

He sessioned on Death's 'Human' and played with his own band Cynic, an absolutely brilliant drummer, very diverse - had the speed/power but also threw in a lot of really beautiful touches

All the guys in Cynic were amazing. Their debut (and only i think) album 'Focus' (about'92) was fantastic - a brilliant mixture of metal/thrash/jazz and some really nice accoustic passages with a different vocal approach

Executive Steve

first of all, please please please stop calling it bloody underground. its on tv. you can buy it in the shops. children wear the t shirts. even angelwhore can buy the stuff he/she likes in a shop. metal isnt underground. snuff movies and pedophilia are underground.

secondly just what would you call aphex twin angel whore? having met the bloke at a few parties and seen him dj a rake of times i think he can definitely be called a dance act. the problem is that you all think dance begins and ends with the bloody chemical brothers or robert phookin miles because youve never been to a proper club where proper music gets played I STILL HAVENT SLAGGED METAL YET PLEASE NOTE

also a lot of you seem to think dance music [woeful term if you ask me. i have managed to successfully dance to type o negative on several memorable if gloomy occasions] is all about the dj ths isnt quite true and a discussion of the seriously weird phenomenon of the dj is probably outside this topic but to slag a dj because he cant play guitar like gruntmeister grot from vomitskullbunnyfest of filth is missing the point a bit. the point is that dance music changes quicker than and develops faster than any dead tree based music because it works a different way to any other music. also you are all thinking that sandstorm or whatever useless pop tune is in the charts is intended to be a "song" or a piece of music in the same way that skullsmasher by the dead viking slappers of niflheim is meant to be a song. to a dj a tune [always tune; a "song" is what dire straits make] is a TOOL. nothing more or less. he evaluates it on a completely different set of criteria to the ones angelwhore employs to decide whether the song is angsty enough or satanic enough for the black candeled boudoir.
when i go record shopping i might spend eight hours listening to tunes, i might get my record pimps in the two or three shops i trust know in advance what i am going to be looking for so they can dig stuff out for me and have it ready for me to evaluate listen to debate etc. because i know that i am going to have to listen to this tune in a way that no other music is listened to [through headphones and speakers simultaneously while also listening to something else at a different pitch while off me head at a party while trying to chat up this girl whos talking to me at the decks while engaging in spliff politics and deciding what to play next, whether or not the eq is buggering up the speakers WHILE MAKING BLOODY SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE HAVING FUN AND ENJOYING MY SET and not just people but the really useless trance dj or whatever who owns the decks and is throwing the party is trying to get me off the decks so he can wreck everyones heads with the rubbish he bought in abbey discs two months ago when it was still in the charts. if hellhammer can do that then id like to nominate him for a medal.] and i might still not buy anything. thats why when my mates record bag got nicked he was in floods of tears. its not like you losing your deathpigcrunchknot cd. you can go down to hmv and buy it again most tunes i have there are maybe a 1000 copies of in ireland if it was a huge huge hit and they will not be re released so short of cutting an acetate or scouring record stalls in camden market i am not going to get another copy.

and why is it that the likes of angel whore will only ever admit to liking aphex twin? thats mainstream poppy stuff personified fair enough come to daddy was a bit heavy but i would have thought that any metal fan would enjoy the likes of ray keith or bad company more...
drum and bass heads aer always complaining they make stuff that sounds like heavy metal... in fact the whole genre is dreadfully paranoid about the fact that its "gone all heavy metal" drop into selectah [in temple bar just off the square there and have a listen it isnt even four four in the unf unf unf sense you might even enjoy iti have yet to hear a metal tune that sounds half as satanic sa any drum and bss from around `98 or `99.

but none of you will because you think music begins and ends with a pile of dead trees and a black t shirt... what a waste

logic1

Originally posted by AngelWhore


On point 1. You completely misunderstand me altogether.
I never said you refered to Aphex Twin as Dance. But I was making a point about the genres. And that they aren't a dance act, that some people would call them.

No they're not a dance act seeing as Aphex Twin is one guy.

.logic.

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by [cm]tyranny
first of all, please please please stop calling it bloody underground. its on tv. you can buy it in the shops. children wear the t shirts. even angelwhore can buy the stuff he/she likes in a shop. metal isnt underground. snuff movies and pedophilia are underground.

Yes, there is absolutely NO diference between mainstream crap like Limp Bizkit and the stuff I listen to... :rolleyes:

Of course, all the bands like Borknagar, Satyricon, Children Of Bodom, Anaal Nathrakh and Immortal are ALL OVER the chart shows!!! :rolleyes:

Yes, I walk into a shop on the street, low and behold, a new range of Dimmu Borgir hoodies!!! :rolleyes:

Not like I have to send off to Germany and Sweden for anything, is it? Course not! That'd be pretty ****ing ridiculous, seeing as all the stuff I listen to I can walk into any high-street store and pick it up with ease! :rolleyes:

Originally posted by [cm]tyranny
secondly just what would you call aphex twin angel whore? having met the bloke at a few parties and seen him dj a rake of times i think he can definitely be called a dance act. the problem is that you all think dance begins and ends with the bloody chemical brothers or robert phookin miles because youve never been to a proper club where proper music gets played I STILL HAVENT SLAGGED METAL YET PLEASE NOTE

Well I wouldn't exactly call it mainstream Dance.
And a great point you make too, especialy seeing as you go on to say "Woefil term if you ask me" in your next point.

Originally posted by [cm]tyranny
also a lot of you seem to think dance music [woeful term if you ask me. i have managed to successfully dance to type o negative on several memorable if gloomy occasions] is all about the dj ths isnt quite true and a discussion of the seriously weird phenomenon of the dj is probably outside this topic but to slag a dj because he cant play guitar like gruntmeister grot from vomitskullbunnyfest of filth is missing the point a bit. the point is that dance music changes quicker than and develops faster than any dead tree based music because it works a different way to any other music. also you are all thinking that sandstorm or whatever useless pop tune is in the charts is intended to be a "song" or a piece of music in the same way that skullsmasher by the dead viking slappers of niflheim is meant to be a song. to a dj a tune [always tune; a "song" is what dire straits make] is a TOOL. nothing more or less. he evaluates it on a completely different set of criteria to the ones angelwhore employs to decide whether the song is angsty enough or satanic enough for the black candeled boudoir.

You're being pretty presumptious there, not to mention arrogant.
Way to throw steriotypes at me!

I will admit that a good guitar player can sometimes make the band, and that it is a point on which I would judge the music. But dont be so insulting to use the word 'angsty'...

It's true I would evaluate a song differently to a DJ, so what?
I play guitar, bass and a bit of keyboards, so a good riff, bassline and so on would apeal to me. Thats obvious.

But then there's other things I listen to, as I think I've made clear before, but for some reason everyone always keeps thinking "Silly Metalhead" despite most of my efforts to prove them otherwise. I sometimes think people have me on ignore, or just have selective memory.

Bands that I listen to like Switchblade Symphony, Midnight Configuration, Sulpher, Mesh, Die Krupps, Skinny Puppy and so on is all generally music with a lot of Synthesizers and bass, and is just about as Untz Untz Untz as a lot of the dance music out there.

See Phobos' thread "I am Sick and tired of this ****!" For more on the subject... I wont prattle again that which has been said.

Originally posted by [cm]tyranny
when i go record shopping i might spend eight hours listening to tunes, i might get my record pimps in the two or three shops i trust know in advance what i am going to be looking for so they can dig stuff out for me and have it ready for me to evaluate listen to debate etc. because i know that i am going to have to listen to this tune in a way that no other music is listened to [through headphones and speakers simultaneously while also listening to something else at a different pitch while off me head at a party while trying to chat up this girl whos talking to me at the decks while engaging in spliff politics and deciding what to play next, whether or not the eq is buggering up the speakers WHILE MAKING BLOODY SURE THAT PEOPLE ARE HAVING FUN AND ENJOYING MY SET and not just people but the really useless trance dj or whatever who owns the decks and is throwing the party is trying to get me off the decks so he can wreck everyones heads with the rubbish he bought in abbey discs two months ago when it was still in the charts. if hellhammer can do that then id like to nominate him for a medal.] and i might still not buy anything. thats why when my mates record bag got nicked he was in floods of tears. its not like you losing your deathpigcrunchknot cd. you can go down to hmv and buy it again most tunes i have there are maybe a 1000 copies of in ireland if it was a huge huge hit and they will not be re released so short of cutting an acetate or scouring record stalls in camden market i am not going to get another copy.

If you want to get like that, then:
The new Necromantia album, there's only 3000 copies in the entire world.
And only 500 copies of Craft's 'Total Soul Rape'. (Although that's a heap of ****e, so I wouldn't be bothered.)
Need I go on?

And about your mates record bag being stolen?
What the ****? It doesn't matter if you can get the stuff again or not, that's a LOT of money! I dont blame him for being upset!

I've scowered shops over in London while I was over there, two different HMVs and a few places in Camden trying to get CDs.
Save for a few Anathema and My Dying Bride albums, I couldn't find ANYTHING I was looking for.

I've tried ordering in MANY things from shops around here also, and most of the time I get absolutely NO results! Even if I do get a result I've had to wait a few months before certain things can even arrive in the store.
An album I ordered before Christmas hasn't come in yet.

So please stop with the "It isn't underground" and "You can get it in any store" rubbish.

If you can find one of the First 3 Diabolical Masquerade albums, I'd be DAMN impressed.

Originally posted by [cm]tyranny
and why is it that the likes of angel whore will only ever admit to liking aphex twin? thats mainstream poppy stuff personified fair enough come to daddy was a bit heavy but i would have thought that any metal fan would enjoy the likes of ray keith or bad company more...
drum and bass heads aer always complaining they make stuff that sounds like heavy metal... in fact the whole genre is dreadfully paranoid about the fact that its "gone all heavy metal" drop into selectah [in temple bar just off the square there and have a listen it isnt even four four in the unf unf unf sense you might even enjoy iti have yet to hear a metal tune that sounds half as satanic sa any drum and bss from around `98 or `99.

You might be quite shocked to know that I prefer the song Windowlicker to Come to Daddy.
So, no, I didn't just hear Aphex Twin on MTV, and thought "Yeah, that's pretty heavy!"

I have no idea when I'll be in Dublin again, but if I remember I will take your advice, I think I know the shop you're on about.

Originally posted by [cm]tyranny
but none of you will because you think music begins and ends with a pile of dead trees and a black t shirt... what a waste

If you're so stuck to your ideas that we're all hopeless idiots who've no idea about music, why did you bother?

I should hope you're not the type who blurts something like that, and then never bothers to look again for a response. No offence if you do look back in the thread, but I've had people blurt rubbish at me before, and then never reply again.

Karl Hungus

Here's that link for you also:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42196

jasmine

the nu-metal that is out at the mo is far to commercial to last.
i myself am not into to metal so much, but more rock (yes there is a big difference), but i have to say tat anyone who believes tat it doesnt take skill to be in a rock or metal band has never sat down an actually tried to write a song, with good lyrics, and gud music. it does take talent and skill.
i myself dont see the point of dance music at all. i dont see wat anyone cud get out of it. music to me is ment to make you think after you listen to it, a little reflection time to try and figure out the songs meaning etc.
ill probably get an answer where someone tells me music isnt ment to have a point to it, but to me it does.

Dagon

Interesting post tyranny. Although I'm not sure what you were trying to address. I don't really care for underground or overground to be honest, nor do I care how many copies of a specific release exist. I just like to listen to great music.

I'm glad you enjoy your music, and you are obviously passionate so thats cool. Still - apart from Hard Rock/HM - I would be more into listening to and seeking jazz, classical, traditional irish music and even some salsa than looking for some obscure morphism of the dance style (which you seem to be referring to).

Still, I acknowledge that their are some good artists creating dance (for want of a better word?) music, and there are plenty of people in the scene who are genuinely passionate about this form of music - great. Plenty of my mates are into this music, I even know a DJ, and I have heard some fairly non-mainstream tracks, I thought they were ok. But not really for me... and the scene relies to much on drugs in my opinion. I could associate the popularity of electronic music with the rise in drug use, but I won't go to that level. In any case I'm not sure if thats a positive thing, and I'm opposed to the acceptance of drug use at large...

And I still haven't slagged your music.

And I won't

Tazz T

For Angelwhore

Diabolical Masquerade albums at www.101cd.com

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by Tazz T
For Angelwhore

Diabolical Masquerade albums at www.101cd.com

lol!

Thanks very much, but I'd need a credit card to order those online.
I'm sure if I had one, I would have gotten those ages ago!

Although, those are pretty high prices for everything except Death's Design (Which I have already), I'd dread to think how much those would be in Euro...
Although, I've probably payed more for a CD before.

SheroN

If you want them that badly there's surely someone who will give ya use of a credit card (parents?) and then you can give them the cash?....

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by SheroN
If you want them that badly there's surely someone who will give ya use of a credit card (parents?) and then you can give them the cash?....

You'd think that, wouldn't you?

stymets

There is alot of great new metal ot there, it is called Stoner Metal. Go listen to some for free, and download it free if you like it. It's at www.mp3.com/Peni_Lush
Stymets