Best Drummer!

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Originally posted by Robbo
Raymond Herrera is dead?!?

Jesus, must root out Demanufacture from my stint as a metal type.

heh! No! The R.I.P. was after Fear Factory... and as we know Fear Factory is no more

Karl Hungus

Right, here's a few more nominations, to even things out a bit.

Trym - Emperor/Zyklon/Enthroned

Tjodalv - Dimmu Borgir/Old Man's Child/Susperia

Martin Lopez - Opeth

Shaun - My Dying Bride (He's nothing fast at all, but he's one of the most interesting, emotional and atmospheric drummers alive. Just listen to the stuff he does on The Cry Of Mankind, just beautiful.)

mike65

Ian Paice
Neil Peart
Keith Moon
Cozy Powell
Buddy Rich
John Bonham

Mike.

DiscoStu

one word for you people. jimmy chamberlin - smashing pumpkins. wait thats two oh well with an intelekt like that i could be a rock drummer

IRISHLILY24

Originally posted by Quorthon
Im surprised nobody has mentioned Neil Peart [Rush] yet.

You read my mind. I was reading replys and just as I got to the bottom I was thinking the very same thing, Rush drummer is outstanding!

francie brady

Hello all you so called music fans. You have all over looking the true drumming genius that is ANIMAL from the muppets. No one comes close. Keith moon does. Nicko MacBrain is good. Bill Ward is better. Aynsley Dunbar is also a great. Ginger Baker is great. But Buddy Rich is in a differnet league. For me Buddy Rich is the greatest. But ANIMAL is a genius, try playing the drums with a hand stuck up your arse.

tony 2 tone

Fyfe Ewing ex Therapy?
Vinnie Paul Pantera

immort4l

I agree with angel whore ,Nick barker is incredible.

Also,whoever said all his stuff sounds the same then stated that he had only heard 'her ghost in the fog'.Bit confused?

Also:
Hellhammer(Mayhem),
Pete sandovel(Morbid angel),
Dave lombardo(Slayer),

Jazz drummers are faster but they use a technique whereby their twitch their hand and hit the snare about 15 times a second
They may be faster,but neither are better.

A jazz drummer couldn't do Extreme technical death metal drumming and likewise a metal drummer couldn't pull off the jazz **** as well.I know drummers play all styles,but usually they specialise.

Dr. Loon

Originally posted by immort4l
Jazz drummers are faster but they use a technique whereby their twitch their hand and hit the snare about 15 times a second
They may be faster,but neither are better.

A jazz drummer couldn't do Extreme technical death metal drumming and likewise a metal drummer couldn't pull off the jazz **** as well.I know drummers play all styles,but usually they specialise.

This is an incredibly uninformed opinion. A jazz drummer can play any style usually. The very root of all drummin could be considered marching band music, and these are the same rudiments you'll be taught no matter who you go to for lessons. The rudiments are all exactly the same, so most drummers do specialise, but most can play pretty much all styles, especially jazz drummers. I reckon they have the best timing, best precision and best grasp of drum rudiments than any other style player

If a metal drummer was taught traditionally than he/she will be able to play some jazz, but obviously not as skillfully as a jazz player. All drummers would usually be taught the exact same, unless they taught themselves....

The technique you're referring to is just strokes, it's not 'twitching'! That's insulting as pulling of these strokes is quite difficult and very skillful, 2 strokes, 5, 7.... basically rolling with one hand! Sorry, if I sound all pedantic, I don't mean to, but I often find people think drummin is good because it's fast... and that's fine, but that's because most people don't understand the idea of strange time patterns and good technique. I always find young drummers, or people just learning can play hard and fast, but there's no skill there.

Listen to the tune and justice for by Metallica, the drumming is very simple, yet very skillful, and the double bass drum work is precise, not rediculously fast all the time, it's skill... that's why i appreciate Lars Ulrich as a great speed metal drummer. Igor Cavalera is great as well. I suppose favourite drummer is mostly influenced by favourite bands, but when someone says Dave Grohl.... I laugh heartily as hes shíte!

tHE vAGGABOND

Brian Downey of Thin Lizzy

immort4l

I think I was misinterpreted.I didn't mean there was anything wrong with jazz drumming

I concur that it is incredibly technical and the timing is erratic at the best of times.

What I meant to say was that metal drummers are talented.A lot of posts here have been saying that they just hammer the **** of their kit and it all sounds the same.I'm a guitarist so you know better than I do,but any of the metal drummers I know(well experienced) would beg to differ.They are two very different styles,jazz is more technical.

Is this thread on best drummer(technical) or best drummer(sounding).For guitar,the best technical guitarists are far from in my opinion the best.One's ability to write good music is equally,if not more,important in my humble opinion.

ps:After reading over this I realised I went on a bit of a tangent.Sorry

Dr. Loon

Originally posted by immort4l
Is this thread on best drummer(technical) or best drummer(sounding).For guitar,the best technical guitarists are far from in my opinion the best.One's ability to write good music is equally,if not more,important in my humble opinion.

ps:After reading over this I realised I went on a bit of a tangent.Sorry

I agree... that's why I myself would say most metal drummers are soulless. They don't play music with the drums only a beat if ou get my meaning.... now someone like Dave Abruzzesse has alot of soul in his playing.... but he's also technically proficient. While I find most metal drummers are technically sound. Musically they're not.

immort4l

Shall we agree to disagree? I think it's best that way

Kopf

Jimmy chamberlain by far!

listen to geek usa (especially live versions), tristessa, and muzzle. mindblowingly original.

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by immort4l

Jazz drummers are faster but they use a technique whereby their twitch their hand and hit the snare about 15 times a second
They may be faster,but neither are better.

A jazz drummer couldn't do Extreme technical death metal drumming and likewise a metal drummer couldn't pull off the jazz **** as well.I know drummers play all styles,but usually they specialise.

I know this to be ****!

Look at Hellhammer!
He's easily the fastest drummer alive, and he plays with loads of metal bands.
Yet he's a pure jazz drummer, he plays with a lot of Jazz bands also.


Dr. Loon[/i].

I wholeheartedly disagree about Metal Drummers being soul-less.

Listen to the stuff Shaun from My Dying Bride or Martin Lopez from Opeth does.
They're two of the most emotional, soulfull drummers alive.

Dr. Loon

Originally posted by AngelWhore



Dr. Loon[/i].

I wholeheartedly disagree about Metal Drummers being soul-less.

Listen to the stuff Shaun from My Dying Bride or Martin Lopez from Opeth does.
They're two of the most emotional, soulfull drummers alive.

Most metal drummers I think, are soulless. The reason I say this is because often times, metal drummers use a combination of speed and technical drumming to back up the band, and the reason being is that often the music doesn't allow them much more. That's about style though.
Let's say the drummer from Jamiroquai (I know it's not metal, but it's another example, and I'm not just digging at metal but all drummers) who's a technically brilliant drummer, his beats are cool and often complex, but he's got no soul in his drumming.

Pearl Jam's new drummer has no soul either, and by soul I just mean someone who's innovative with their beats, and considers the drums to be more than just something you bang on which produces different pitches/tones. Mike Bordin from Faith no more was a great drummer as well. Lars Ulrich lost the soul in his drumming after ...and justice for all I reckon. Listen to that album, then listen to the latest stuff, concentrating on the drumming, and you'll see what I mean.

Karl Hungus

I know what you mean about Lars Ulrich.

But have a listen to some of the stuff I'm talking about.
You might be pleasantly suprised.

There's a link I posted on the first page.
Give it a listen to, only a small file.


Also check out some Darkthrone.
Fenriz is a strange drummer, he really throws out some downright odd beats.

And David Gray from Akercocke.
Completely self-taught.
He's quite original.

Robbo

Is the reason that metal drummers have no souls not Faustian pacts?

mike65

Did anyone see Millionaire... on ITV tonight, two brothers (it was a twins special), collage age going for the 32,000 question (I think)-

Question- John Bonham was the drummer of which rock group?

A: Pink Floyd B: Led Zeppelin
C: Cream The Who

They had'nt a clue, did'nt even hazzard a guess, it was embarassing. I was ashamed of my sex.

Mike.

Dr. Loon

Originally posted by AngelWhore
But have a listen to some of the stuff I'm talking about.
You might be pleasantly suprised.

Also check out some Darkthrone.
Fenriz is a strange drummer, he really throws out some downright odd beats.

And David Gray from Akercocke.
Completely self-taught.
He's quite original.

Didn't think anything special of that dude Horgh's drum solo... typical double bass drum work, in fact if you take a look at Lars drum solo on one of the "Binge and purge" tapes, he's alot better - more precise, then again the sound wasn't great on that file you posted.

Anyway, I'll check out some of the other dudes you suggest as well.

Karl Hungus

Originally posted by Dr. Loon
Didn't think anything special of that dude Horgh's drum solo... typical double bass drum work, in fact if you take a look at Lars drum solo on one of the "Binge and purge" tapes, he's alot better - more precise, then again the sound wasn't great on that file you posted.

Anyway, I'll check out some of the other dudes you suggest as well.

I know Lars' solo quite well.

Personaly, I'd call Horgh anything BUT typical!

Don't really see how the sound has much to do with it. I could pick out just about every tap he was doing perfectly.
Their pretty much about the same standard of sound on both.
Although you can hear the crowd more clearly in Horgh's.

He does use the double bass a lot, yes, but on the drum solo it's maily just for tempo. You should notice how most of the main solo is just with his hands, then stops, doubles the tempo of the blast beat, and works the solo on top of it, then doubles up again.
While Lars Ulrichs' solo is pretty much the same tempo the whole way through.
I find it an extremely good drum solo.

And I don't quite know what you're refering to with the 'More Precise' bit.
Horgh doesn't skip a beat, or miss anything.

But the start of Lars' solo, not sure if that's a complete ****-up, or intentional, seeing as he goes for barely 6 seconds.
Also, the fact that he goes through a single beat, then some sort of lame wind down, before it even starts to get rolling suggests to me HUGE ****-up.
Also the large gaps between each segment of the solo seem odd.
And if you noticed at all, 3 minutes in he just does a beat from the song 'One".
Which would suggest to me that he's hardly innovative, and that the whole solo was probably pre-reheased.

I think Horgh's solo is far catchier, and he's way better at keeping a tempo going than lars.

Although there's different views about the whole Blastbeat style of drumming.
I find that the bass drums are mainly keeping a tempo, while the main rythem pattern is with the hands.
So a fast song also has a fast tempo.

But then, it's all a matter of taste!
And I'm not going to blurt to you that blastbeats are better than other styles!
It's just whatever suits.

Great examples are Martin Lopez, and Shaun from My Dying Bride.
Both use blastbeats rarely.
And they're both some of my favorite drummers.

Take a listen to the song "Bleak" by Opeth.
Martin only uses a rather relaxed blastbeat at the end of the song.
He just ups the tempo of the whole song, and it sounds amazing.
Opeth are an extremely progressive band, so it helps when they build up to something.


Sorry if this is a long-winded response.
But seeing as we obviously have very different tastes in drumming styles, I thought I'd explain what I like about my preferances.


Also, if it seems I'm having a bit of a dig at Lars Ulrich's solo...
It's nothing against you, just pointing out a few things I've noticed.
And maybe a little bit of a stab at the man himself.