3 gig cap ?

KdjaCL

with the possibility of ADSl soon (this millenium).
Why is everyone so annoyed at the cap?
3 gig is a lot ,fair enough we shouldnt have a cap at all.
But i think i will get used to it .
Kdja

JamworkS

With the amount of SHlTE that i receive everyday, i'll say the 3 gb cap will be passed in the first week of using it.

And i'm not talking just for myself i'm sure many others here will think the same. For me it's not good a 3 Gb cap, it's like not having ADSL at all.

JamworkS.

phreak

its the same problem with having to pay per minute. people dont want to watch how much internet they are using and worry about the next phone bill. they want to pay a certain amount per month and use the internet as much as they want. personally, if i get ADSL i will use it to download movies and other big files, so in my first week, i will be over the cap!

Winters

I agree. If i had ADSL I would host web sites from my server and would also be using the internet ALOT to downlaod large files and as a gamer would easily pass a 3gb limit in a week.

Frank Grimes

The novelty of a fast connection wears off after a bit.

I'm not trolling, but you can hardly complain about going over the cap if you're downloading movies etc.

Praetorian

3GB sounds like alot...but its not over a month.

Think about it this way, its 100megs a day.

I think you can get about 50 KB a sec on adsl. Which means you would have used your daily limit in little over 30 minutes.

So basicly you get ADSL running at 100% for 30 ish minutes per day...then you have to pay per minute (again)

Frank Grimes

You don't *have* to download 100 megs a day. I'm not saying the cap is a good thing, but there's ways of not going over it.

Lex_Diamonds

Why do some people just lie there and let people like Eircom walk all over them?

The fact is that 3gb is holy inadequate, even for a light user of ADSL. A cap somewhere in the region of 10gb would be alot more realistic and I could see myself keeping within that no problem.

Frank Grimes

As I said, I don't agree that 3 gigs is reasonable. But that's what it going to be (initially anyway, whether or not it changes is another thing).
So if that's what it is, you just have to work within it.

Lex_Diamonds

Unfortunately the 3gb cap will be the least of our worries. We have to contend with the lack of coverage and the ridiculous price that will be charged. I'm disappointed at the ODTR for folding and allowing the €50 wholesale price.

yellum

Originally posted by Frank_Grimes
The novelty of a fast connection wears off after a bit.

No it doesn't. I had a very fast net connection up to recently in work but its gone now that I changed jobs. It was really handy and helped in productivity, since the weight of webpages is increasing.

I'm not trolling, but you can hardly complain about going over the cap if you're downloading movies etc.

I agree with you there, but even downloading legal stuff will push you over your daily limit within a few hours.

Tellox

100megs a day is alright... most 20min long tv shows are about 30megs, thats 3 a day and still enough left for some gaming and chatting...

Dustaz

Ive had dsl since august and i have exceeded 3 gbs only one month since then. The attached file is a report generated by DUmeter. Its not 100% accurate because i kept forgetting to start it up, so the totals are actually higher but i have seen the stats that eircom generate and its close enough for a comparison(i was on holidays in march, hence the low figure:) ).

Generally, my usage is gaming, browsing, IRC, and Kazaa type stuff (he said mysteriously;) ). 3gb is tight, but it is possible to get by with it.

Originally posted by Lex_Diamonds
Unfortunately the 3gb cap will be the least of our worries. We have to contend with the lack of coverage and the ridiculous price that will be charged. I'm disappointed at the ODTR for folding and allowing the €50 wholesale price.

Absolutly, to me the wholesale price is a much bigger issue than the cap.

Dustaz

doh, forgot the attachment.

Celt

Originally posted by Dustaz
Ive had dsl since august and i have exceeded 3 gbs only one month since then. The attached file is a report generated by DUmeter. Its not 100% accurate because i kept forgetting to start it up, so the totals are actually higher but i have seen the stats that eircom generate and its close enough for a comparison(i was on holidays in march, hence the low figure:) ).

Thats impressive Dusty.
I know people on 28k who manage much more than that.
3 gb would be a fair cap on 56k, on dsl it's only there as a source of extra income for eircom

Dustaz

yeh, i really dont download that much. If i did download 10 gigs of stuff per month, i dont know where id get the time to view/play/listen/install all the stuff

Its more the unlimited connection time and the speed of connection that appeals to me.

kamobe

3 gig cap is PATHETIC. I'm on the trials, a post earlier said the novelty wears off - it doesnt.

There is no need for a cap. It's not like we're costing the telco more money by downloading more then 3 gigs, the only reason for there to be a cap, is GREED. I will not spend a penny on dsl if they release it with a cap.

Oh, and how many other countries with dsl have caps? Or had dsl introduced with caps?

How many countries HAVE dsl with a decent price in the first place.....

Why the hell did the whole nation stand by and allow the bloody government to sell our telco!!?! arrrgh.

damnyanks

Its a simple coin toss for those people complaining about there games and videos. Porn or Frag's which is more important.

sikes

i am on the trial and i can say that i go over 3 gigs. i mainly d/l bootlegs (only artists that agree eg U2 DMB)

i use to d/l mp3 bootlegs but now it is shn. each show is approx 800mg. i d/l about 1 a night.

thats (i think) 24gig a month. then there is general surfing.

i was think can other isps offer adsl and put on cap on it?

sikes

sorry that should read

Can other isps offer adsl without a cap?

eg esat

Felix Randel

Since the isp in question can provide there own bandwidth, use a third party or buy bandwidth off eircom to provide the ADSL service, they can put what ever cap they want on it, even none if they do so wish. Personally I think the cap is gone, since originally eircom thought they had fiddled it so there would be no one else offering ADSL(high wholesale price) they could basically but what ever cap on if they wanted.

The great thing about bitstream is that and isp can request access to any ADSL enabled exchange, this is not technically the case with llu.
basically once the wholesale price is acceptable, you will always have a choice between isp's.In theory this is a form of imperfect competition,
which is allot better then the oligopoly telecom system we have now.

I am on the trials, and last night I downloaded 4 gigabytes, all legal.The simply fact that needs to be excepted by
people is that if a 3 gigabyte cap is "a huge amount" to you, then chances are that your not the type of person
that should be on ADSL and definitely not the type of person the extremely high price tag is aimed out.
Your most likely a FRIACO type person.

KdjaCL

Hmm such opposing views.
Well i have never had DSL and assumed a 3 gig cap wasnt much (legal stuff) .And i want DSL for a basicaly decent net connection for games and dloads.
Now i cant say if i have DSL i wont go mental and start dloading like a lunatic.
Ah well hopefully i`ll find out if im a dloading lunatic in the next few weeks .
Kdja

sikes

i agree with you. 3gig is not a lot. those on the trial know that. i hope they just give up on the cap thing. my dream would be €70/month no cap

Felix Randel

Allot of people don't realize how much they download on 56k alone. Get this program and record what you download in a month. then double it as you on average, I would say spend twice as much time on a flat rate product as a metered once initial euphoria has worn off. That will give you some idea of what you will download from day to day on ADSL not including surprises.

pete

4 gigs last night?

I'm assuming then that you're not on a 512k line, which i'm told gives a steady 50k/sec for downloads - i'm open to correction but some quick headsums gives me:

50k/sec = ~3mb / minute

~3mb / minute = ~180megs / hour

~180 megs / hour = 4.32gb / day

root

3 gb a month is nothing.I average 1 gb a day.Ok, 1 gb a day isn't normal but then neither is a 3gb cap.

I have dsl and cable in Belgium and the minimum cap is 10gb but you also have a unlimited option.

Dustaz

I agree that 3gb is not enough. Im just saying that its possible to stay within the limits.

Felix, the attachment i posted is an export of my usage. I consider myself to be a broadband type person, i just dont download enourmous amounts of stuff.

ando

query: is playing an online game effectively downloading/uploading at top bandwidth speed ? I mean, is it possable to go over a 3gb cap with aprox 2 hours a day online gaming ?

Samba

I am curious if 3 gig was the limit, what would happen once you have surpassed it, 1. They disconnect you, 2. They make you pay extra?


Im just back from a week in France, where DSL costs 30 euro a month with a 6 gig capped bandwidth, Thats double of what is being proposed here this to me seems quite harsh......

Mountjoy Mugger

The old proposal was to charge 3.6c per MB over the 3GB cap. The rumour mill hasn't indicated any change on this pricing structure.

It would be interesting to see if IOFFL can moan a bit on this point when they meet the ODTR tomorrow.

pete

Originally posted by ando
query: is playing an online game effectively downloading/uploading at top bandwidth speed ? I mean, is it possable to go over a 3gb cap with aprox 2 hours a day online gaming ?

As far as I know, most online games are optimised to send as little data as possible so that they're playable on a 56k modem.

So that would be a 'no', then. I think.