3 gig cap ?

Dustaz

Originally posted by ando
query: is playing an online game effectively downloading/uploading at top bandwidth speed ? I mean, is it possable to go over a 3gb cap with aprox 2 hours a day online gaming ?

I can promise you from experience that you wont exceed a 3gb cap by playing online games (you could probably play a lot more than that and be safe, i have:) )

m1ke

gaming doesn't take up very much bandwidth sometimes only using bandwidth modem style 5k/sec.

The 3gb cap tho is utterly useless. Granted if you sit around and play games all day and surf and chat in irc and download the odd patch you'll be fine.

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but if you actually have to do some WORK, transferring files to other computers, downloading etc... is really important and a 3gb cap will just make a mockery of whatever you need to do.

segadreamcast

So in a nutshell...

For casual browsing (IRC, gaming etc) 3 gig a month is OK

For working on the web (uploading files, downloading files, hosting) well...with 3 gigs...you're really not in a good position:eek:

Lex_Diamonds

Yeah, if you want to download GI JOE THE MOVIE then your up poo creak then arent you? CMON EIRCOM!! Set my DIVX free!

segadreamcast

Or listening to streaming radio for a few hours...I've often exceeded 40megs in a day on 56k listening to radio and working away for only a few hours*

* --- ugh, when I say few, I really don't know how long I was on for :P

sikes

i think esat may put a higher cap. cos they would get all dsl customers if they had a higgher cap or no cap at all.

so esat if your listening PLEASE

segadreamcast

Originally posted by sikes
i think esat may put a higher cap. cos they would get all dsl customers if they had a higgher cap or no cap at all.

so esat if your listening PLEASE

...PLEASE give me free adsl for ever .

No, please, goodness, somebody price adsl fairly and competitively.

Countries like France, U.K, Canada, Kazakhstan, South Africa and Australia have it so why not us? We don't even have it in our capital city for goodness sake (I think we're the only capital city in the EU not to have it?) and that is absolutely horrendous.

How can we seriously go about calling ourselves the e-hub of europe when we don't even have decent broadband?

No wonder computer education in this country is in the state it is...:rolleyes:

Dustaz

Originally posted by NoelRock
For working on the web (uploading files, downloading files, hosting) well...with 3 gigs...you're really not in a good position:eek:

On the the I-stream Solo option (which is the 3gb one), you are not permitted to host any sort of server.

Celt

Originally posted by pete
4 gigs last night?

I'm assuming then that you're not on a 512k line, which i'm told gives a steady 50k/sec for downloads - i'm open to correction but some quick headsums gives me:

50k/sec = ~3mb / minute

~3mb / minute = ~180megs / hour

~180 megs / hour = 4.32gb / day

my 512k cable gives me a steady 75-80k down:

75k/sec = ~4.5mb / minute

~4.5mb / minute = ~270megs / hour

~270 megs / hour = 6.5 gb / day

4 gb / day = 14 hours steady downloading off of a good server

sikes

thats interesting about not being allowed to host a server on the solo option. on the origianl launh date i phoned eircom. One question asked was would i be allowed to host my own site. They said yes there was no problem.

well thats a kick in the ....

ps good luck in your new role dustaz

Felix Randel

Your allowed host what ever you want, basically they wont stop you. the official T&C are not finalized, Dustaz shouldn't confuse the T&C of the trials with the retail ones. You will not however have a static Ip address. Which will cause you problems when hosting. The way around this is to use a remote dns type server such as dns2go.com.

Dustaz

I signed a retail contract.

I also assumed that the reason the cap was there was to prevent server hosting and therefore throttling bandwith (ok, and also to grab as much money as possible )

sikes

the contract that you signed is that for 12moths from when you signed or when you start paying

Dustaz

well, thats the million dollar question isnt it

I wake up sweating every night about that one

Felix Randel

Then my T&C are far more up to date then yours, yet they make no mention of hosting anything.

I can post them if you want

Mountjoy Mugger

Bizarre. I don't think I ever signed any T&C.

pete

Originally posted by Celt

my 512k cable gives me a steady 75-80k down:

That's nice. But I thought we were talking eircom DSL?

I was quoting from download rates supplied by 3 people I know on the DSL trials.

I don't know anyone on the NTL dealie.

Jorinn

Originally posted by Dustaz
I signed a retail contract.

I also assumed that the reason the cap was there was to prevent server hosting and therefore throttling bandwith (ok, and also to grab as much money as possible )

Cap is a download cap as far as I know, if you were hosting a site wouldn't you be uploadin the site to another computer technically so it wouldn't be affected, however an ADSL line eventually drops the connection, generally I found it happened after ~20 hours connected.

Also ont the eircom site it merely says xGB of a limit, this however could be two things, either Gigabit or GigaByte which are too extremely different measurements. If it's Gigabyte and you have a 3GB limit then you can download 3072 Megabytes, however if it's 3 Gigabits you can only download 384 MegaBytes or thereabouts. During the trial I filled a blank 4 Gigabyte HD with only a freshly installed copy of Windows on it in a few days, basically I crossed the proposed cap in a few days. A cap is pointless, as far as I know the amount downloaded doesn't affect eircoms at all because of it's bandwidth distribution as a certain amount is divided among a certain amount of users, no one can hog the bandwidth as such, eircom even advertise their €1 billion investment in the fibre netwrok in the Irish Time so surely they can handle a not even state of the art DSL service?

segadreamcast

I think the cap is upload and download - feel free to correct me ^_^ because I'd love to have a definite answer.

pete

From eircoms residential ADSL page

For a single user, on a single computer

The product has both a USB port or ethernet option
Speeds are up to 512kbps downstream/128kbps upstream
Connection fee is €151.25 inc. VAT - Monthly fee is €133.10 inc. VAT
Additional equipment required: ADSL USB modem €175.45 inc. VAT or ADSL Ethernet modem €242
For eircom i-stream the monthly download allowance is 3 GB. **


*A monthly download allowance, included in the monthly recurring charge, applies to some of the eircom i-stream products. Once this allowance has been reached, a per Megabyte additional charge will be levied. See individual product descriptions for details.

** There is an additional charge of 3.6c incl VAT per MB for material downloaded over and above the stated monthly download allowance.

I also have a vague recollection of information on that page specifically ruling out hosting a server, but I can't be 100% certain.

Jorinn

Eircom are helpfull as usual by not elaborating on "GB"

pete

trust me - it's gigabyte

this was clarified a long time ago, wasn't it?

Dustaz

Originally posted by Felix Randel
Then my T&C are far more up to date then yours, yet they make no mention of hosting anything.

I can post them if you want

Please do, the more official into the better.

Bizarre. I don't think I ever signed any T&C.

At the end of my trial i was offered the chance to subscribe to the service at a reduced cost (no modem charge and no install fee). I went for it but i havent been charged since because Eircom have not been able to launch the service.

Im pretty sure its GigaByte.

kamobe

I'm one of the lucky trialists....

I've packed an 80 gig hard drive and topped off the 20 gig one i had before it.....

I signed up mid december.....

So some maths......

Jan, Feb, March, April, - allowance is 12 gigs

So I'm 68 gigs over......
bout 70,000 megs @ 3.6c
Total cost of €2520
ROFLMAO
oh plus whatever other ridiculous monthly charge they decide to toss on . Whilst in England i'd pay roughly £120 for those same 4 months......

Definately stand by my earlier post - if there's a cap, i'm not signing up.

pete

There's two ways of looking at the question i'm about to ask - here's one:

Eventually the time will come when a journalist will ask an Ireland OFFLine rep why anyone would want or need to download more than 3gigs a month, and somehow I don't think warez / porn / bootleg albums / illegal divX's will be suitable answers.

So my question is this - what legal material is being downloaded that would regularly bring you over 3 gigs a month? I mean, there's only so many Linux ISO's a month you could possibly want, right?.....

(I realise that the ideal answer should be "why shouldn't I be able to?" but still)


And here's the other way:

I'm a nosey bastard - what the hell are you people doing????

Celt

Originally posted by pete
There's two ways of looking at the question i'm about to ask - here's one:

Eventually the time will come when a journalist will ask an Ireland OFFLine rep why anyone would want or need to download more than 3gigs a month, and somehow I don't think warez / porn / bootleg albums / illegal divX's will be suitable answers.

So my question is this - what legal material is being downloaded that would regularly bring you over 3 gigs a month? I mean, there's only so many Linux ISO's a month you could possibly want, right?.....

(I realise that the ideal answer should be "why shouldn't I be able to?" but still)


And here's the other way:

I'm a nosey bastard - what the hell are you people doing????

Last month, what I've downloaded legally.
125 megs in gamepatches/program patches
350 megs in legal programs
2-3 gigs of mods/maps/models for games(most of it total annihilation)
1.5 gigs of game demos
100 mb's of unsigned music
1 gig of abandonwarez(illegal i guess)
1 gig for online gaming(not sure exactly)

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Around 6 gigs legal stuff.
Also porn is legal isnt it?

pete

Originally posted by Celt

Also porn is legal isnt it?

I wouldn't know.

ahem

kamobe

None of anyones buisness what i download!!!

I could be working in graphics desgin and sending/recieving gigs of multimedia a day. I'm clearly not, but what difference does it make

It just annoys me that we're the only country in western europe still having this argument. NO CAP NEEDED!! And a reasonable price. Not asking for much? Am I?

pete

Originally posted by kamobe
I could be working in graphics desgin and sending/recieving gigs of multimedia a day. I'm clearly not, but what differcence does it make

Like I said it's a hypothetical question - what justification would be given to a journalist for seeking the removal of the 3 gig cap?

I just don't think that "Our members seek only equality with our European neighbours. We demand unrestricted access to the full range of illegal software, movies and hardcore pornography offered by the modren intarweb." is really the PR angle Ireland OFFLine want to be going for.

Celt's got gaming covered - so what are the other "acceptable" things? There must be *something*?

kamobe

Originally posted by pete


Like I said it's a hypothetical question - what justification would be given to a journalist for seeking the removal of the 3 gig cap?

The graphics design would be a good example, or any job related to multimedia and programming.

I just don't think that "Our members seek only equality with our European neighbours. We demand unrestricted access to the full range of illegal software, movies and hardcore pornography offered by the modren intarweb." is really the PR angle Ireland OFFLine want to be going for.

heh - Our members seek equality "." Why should the argument even need to continue? I think equality is fair enough? Not like I'm looking for anything special, just the standard?

What does everyone else do with dsl? Download movies, music, whatever. Transfer mass amounts of important material between clients, who cares??? There needn't, and shouldn't be a cap. Especially one that's gonna cost me €2,500 euro over 4 months - €7,500 a year!?! - PLUS the monthly subscription fee!! which was set to be €130 a month, so that's another 2grand or so on top.....
(*still laughing @ that price*)

Could they not just cop on and be competitive?
Oh wait....