Being Gay

swiss

Hmm,

It is true to say that some men (and women) do have innate problems with homosexuality. I think that a lot of the overt abuse/slagging which gays receive stems from paranoia (i.e not wanting to be deemed 'bent') and/or insecurity about one's own sexuality. Most of my friends are straight, and I would *ahem* usually never think about making advances on them (well, not unless I was really drunk). Don't worry azezil, you're relatively safe from unwanted attention

I do have some gay friends as well, and although my relationship with them is different on some levels, particularly since they are from different walks of life, I find that in many respects I view them as I do my 'normal' friends. I'm afraid that the 'big gay al' stereotype does ring true in some cases, and whenever I go out to a gay niteclub, the twin elements of 'butch' and 'camp' are very much in evidence.

Gay culture can become a restictive culture and society unto itself, where people are expected to conform (to an extent) to certain ways of acting. Just as a person can pick up an accent by going abroad on holiday, one can pick up overtly camp tendencies by socialising with gay people. I remember I went out one night, and the next day I started referring to objects as 'fabulous' before I caught myself .

As for lazer's request for a board, I did think that it was a good idea at the time. It was rejected because ultimately it was felt that by isolating the gay community onto one board a 'ghetto' culture could emerge, and it was also felt that the demand would be insufficient for such a board. I don't feel that the second argument stands up to scrutiny, given the interest in this thread. I think a private board would be a good idea, and I think I'll present it to the admin board later. It would at least allow greater scope for privacy, and would help to avoid the muppets spamming the boards with comments like 'j00 f4gs'. Yes, if we pester them enough they'll give in and give us what we want

azezil

Originally posted by swiss
Don't worry azezil, you're relatively safe from unwanted attention

you sayin i'm not sexy! god dammit, next lan i'm wearing spandex


Meanwhile on the issue of spamming etc. i can assure you noone will flame or spam my forum! (except me )

SheroN

what about me can i not spam? :eek:

azezil

Originally posted by SheroN
what about me can i not spam? :eek:

hell no, now back on topic you!

swiss

Well, in case ye haven't noticed a similar topic has appeared in admin.

It's there if ye want it, sign yourselves up for a private gay board.

Don't feel too bad azezil, if it makes you feel better I think there's a gay man out there just ready to make advances towards you . All you have to do is meet that 'special somebody'.

Volvagia

well alls i know is that if i was homophobic i'd have no friends! coz most o my friends are gay/bi. there just my friends and even though a few of them have a slight case the "Big Gay Al" voice but there just my friends and they can do what ever they want there still my friends. ohh and they can be assholes sometimes just like straight people can be sometimes too!

MagicBusDriver

To be honest, I can't stand gays.. For one thing they speak like B@rd and their opinions aren't far off.
This 'we're all the same' arguement is a load of pants. Gay people *generally* talk like knobs, and I don't talk to knobs never mind listen to them. Not that im homophobic..

Someone had to do it..

DeVore

To be fair, from a logical point of view, if you identify "Gay Men" as the ones with "Big Gay Al" voices (which a lot of people do)... then you can hardly complain when all the gay people you've ever met sounded like Big Gay Al...

Self fulfilling prophesy really...

DeV.

Jpaulik

Very brave posting from a brand new account.

[edit] Mea culpa, not a brand new account. I respect the fact you are allowed to air your opinions. I myself can't stand Man Utd fans.

Yurmasyurda

Originally posted by MagicBusDriver
To be honest, I can't stand gays.. For one thing they speak like B@rd and their opinions aren't far off.
This 'we're all the same' arguement is a load of pants. Gay people *generally* talk like knobs, and I don't talk to knobs never mind listen to them. Not that im homophobic..

Someone had to do it..

That's a very broad statement, I know people that are gay and you would not be able to tell unless they told you! Everyone is different so you can't just say you hate all gays when your best friend could be gay. More open mindedness is needed in this closed off world, it's getting there though

meglome

Originally posted by MagicBusDriver
To be honest, I can't stand gays.. For one thing they speak like B@rd and their opinions aren't far off.
This 'we're all the same' arguement is a load of pants. Gay people *generally* talk like knobs, and I don't talk to knobs never mind listen to them. Not that im homophobic..

Someone had to do it..

This is obviously coming from someone who doesn't actually know any gay people. It's like saying you don't like trees, they come in all shapes and sizes and colours. One of the only things gay people have in common in my experience is that they like people of the same sex. Saying gays talk like nobs is the worst crap I have ever heard, they talk just the same rubbish as straight people. This is not a 'right on' opinion it's just the facts so take your head out your arse.

Lolo

I think what he's traying to say is that he's irritated by the mannerisms of camp gay men - he's just not aware that he knows any other kind (but you probably do). I know plenty of gay guys who are also extremely irritated by the Big Gay Al type. Poor old Al, he's become a symbol on these boards for all that is annoying about camp blokes! (I think Mr Humphreys from Are You Being Served is a better example). Personally I find clichéd, text-book limp-wristed gay men very endearing, espcially the older kindly-gay-uncle type.

goose

the problem with gay clubs and culture in ireland, is that all gay people are grouped together, purely because of thier sexual orientation.

we are as diverse as, its just we tend to get catagorised.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Theres two types of gays -

Gays - ones who be themselves, ones you would rarely notice unless they're flirting with another gay for example.

F@ggots - Ones who talk in a camp voice, starve themselves so womens clothes are too big for them, behave superior to any other man who doesn't have homosexual tendancies, are ready to shout "homophobe!" at every oppertunity, act as if straight men are rapists by nature and only caring gays can save women from them.

Gays are fine by my reckoning, know some and get on pretty well.

F@ggots are untrustworthy little fúcks who use information they gain from girls to improve their gossip image. Even though I avoid them like the plague I still know a lot of things I shouldn't about certain trusting girls in my year!(go to a mixed school)

Until f@ggots get they're act together society won't accept gays in general.
Theres no equivelent(not even opposite equivelents) of lesbian f@ggots.

Anyone know why?

meglome

Originally posted by Ahamah
Imagine lots of poo talk here

As I've said already gay people come in all shapes and sizes and types. And sure enough I have met gay people who annoyed the **** out of me just as I have met straight people who annoy me. Some of the lesbians I now know don't like the butch dyke types just as some of the gay guys don't like very camp gays. i.e. all types and ways.

Generalising when you don't have the facts is pointless and makes you look stupid.

woosaysdan

i think people should be allowed do wat they want not interfere with other people!!! unless ye are lesbians then thats different ye can do it in public all ye like!!! i dnt mind really please go ahead pleaseeeeeeeeeeeeee!!

Flemmish Flame

I actually don't mind people who are homosexual or lesbien I wish them all the best in a society which luckely now a days is much more liberal,although sometimes I wonder about that, then it used to be.
However sometimes it seems that the acceptance by society of the Homosexual/Lesbienne is a cultural dependant phenomenon
some societies are tolerant some are not. Some people take everything said about gay/lesbian even bi sexual people a bit to personal!

Volvagia

That ****e u posted MagicBusDriver is the biggest load of Bollox i have ever seen. Mrthinks you should mabye like see a real gay person for once not just the ones u see in south park! then hopefully u'll learn!

MagicBusDriver

Ok, so maybe i'm referring to 'f@ggots'.. but to be honest I know of quite a few gays and have yet to come in contact with one who does not show any signs of f@ggotry, even subtle ones.
Volvagia, r u gay? (just a question) because using phrases like 'you should mabye like see' kinda makes u out to be one. And maybe that's my point proven *cough* fag.. (sorry)

MagicBusDriver

AngryBadger

A few tenant of life that I find work pretty well, and maybe you may find them useful
1)What's the big deal? gay, straight pig-****er, who give a **** really?
2)You don't know jack about other people, even the ones you think you know. odds are we all know a small number of people it's safe to say we know virtually everything about, and who we understand, and appreciate every aspect of. The rest of the people in the world are strangers to you, you do not know them, you do not understand them. because social life os often more about politics and deceit than honesty, and sincerity we all tend to lie to each other in various ways, so to my original point YOU DO NOT KNOW PEOPLE, THUS YOU ARE INSUFFICIENTLY EQUIPED TO JUDGE THEM BY ANY SYSTEM OF ASSESSMENT.
3) relax



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If you have a problem with another posters comments send a private message to the forum moderator, i'm not just singleing out you here, it goes for everyone. - azezil

Khynareth

Originally posted by AngryBadger
...YOU DO NOT KNOW PEOPLE, THUS YOU ARE INSUFFICIENTLY EQUIPED TO JUDGE THEM BY ANY SYSTEM OF ASSESSMENT.....nutsack

That's a fair point. I don't think we can ever know people until we really know ourselves. And it's difficult to look into the mirror. Pointing out is something we are taught very early...

As for the rest...

moridin

Originally posted by Oeneus
But as it turns out homosexuals(both men and women) generally tend to be much nicer people!

Hmm, I'm not so sure I'd agree with the nicer people comment. As someone has said later on in this thread it's not hard to look and find what he terms a f@ggot screaming in the corner over some new piece of gossip or the other. On the whole I'd say that the balance of nice people / **** is generally about the same as it is for straight people. Perhaps the relative size of the gay "community" is to blame here... If I meet a straight person that I don't like or don't get on with I'll generally just not bother talking to them, or make sure that I'm not put into a situation where I get stuck in their company. The problem with the whole "bitchiness" thing and the wonderfully names f@ggot-syndrome is that when you go out on the "scene" it's pretty often that you'll see the same groups of people, and won't have as much freedom about where you choose to spend your time, so much bitching and gossiping ensues. You try taking a small cross section of straight people, make them go to the same places every week and see how long until cracks start to appear.

less slobbery

What exactly do you mean by that?

It's too late for this, sleep needed!