Metallica vs. Megadeth...

Karl Hungus · 09-05-2002 7:48pm

You know, technical ability *IS* part of the music.

If you'd listen to any of the crap by Linkin Park, you'd realise that long held out powerchords are about the dullest thing ever. And you could blurt about how technical prowess doesn't mean anything untill you go bezerk in the head, but it wouldn't negate the fact that it's total dross.

Ironically, I'd pick Metallica over Megadeth any day.

But it's all part of the whole picture.

As anyone will tell you, the ability to do 50 hammer-ons a second, and 'Widdle-squidle' like Satch is USELESS without having a good song.
But what if you didn't have the skill to do what you wanted properly?

One of my favorite bands is Opeth.
Now they write some of the most complex music on earth.
AND they are brilliant songwriters.

So, it's all part of the package, I say.

Lemming · 09-05-2002 8:03pm

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
I'll mention a few songs for you to give analysis on scene as youre so eager to prove me wrong....

*sighs*

I@m not eager to prove you wrong Pornapster. I'm jsut sick of this "my band is better than your band" and "this guy can play faster than this guy so he MUST be better" etc etc

It's absolute tit-w*nk.

I'll say this. Anyone who has done L.C. music up to say, 6 years ago. Mention the words "Buckley" and "Violin Concerto" together, and watch them recoil in absolute horror frmo the flashbacks.

This is an extremely technical concerto written for a then principal violinist of either the NSO (national symphony orchestra) or the RTE SO (which I can't remember) to show off his virtuoso talents.

Incredible skill required to play it - but absolute TORTURE to listen to. One of the most hideous and f*cking disgusting musical works to actually listen too though. It wasn't about the music - it was about shownig how good this musician was with their instrument.

Draw the connection .....

cournioni · 09-05-2002 8:19pm

Originally posted by Lemming

*sighs*

I@m not eager to prove you wrong Pornapster. I'm jsut sick of this "my band is better than your band" and "this guy can play faster than this guy so he MUST be better" etc etc

Did I say that? All I said to Dustaz was try and play a Petrucci solo and tell me that isn't hard to write and play and quite sensably he didn't reply... I think you yourself will agree with this if you have any Dream Theater albums that they are amazing musicians and songwriters. Well do you?

Dustaz · 09-05-2002 8:27pm

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER

And Dustaz, as I said... play a Petrucci solo. Go on, I'd love to see it. You think its really easy don't you? Well play it. I'll go to watch you play it, wherever it is... Oh thats right you can't. Oh shame.

I give up. You give any form of music a bad name.

Lemming · 09-05-2002 8:28pm

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER

I think you yourself will agree with this if you have any Dream Theater albums that they are amazing musicians and songwriters. Well do you?

No I don't have any of their stuff, to answer that particular question.

cournioni · 09-05-2002 8:39pm

Originally posted by Dustaz
I give up. You give any form of music a bad name.

Now, now Dustaz... no need to be disappointed. I was just taking the piss outta you, but in fairness you were asking for it.

You were more or less saying its ok to play at turtle speed and saying its talented.

cournioni · 09-05-2002 8:43pm

Originally posted by Lemming

No I don't have any of their stuff, to answer that particular question.

Well go out and get some! You don't know what you are missing...

BTW... if youre planning to buy "Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence" (double cd), be prepared to pay up to €40. Well worth it though.

Dustaz · 09-05-2002 8:45pm

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER

Now, now Dustaz... no need to be disappointed. I was just taking the piss outta you, but in fairness you were asking for it.

You were more or less saying its ok to play at turtle speed and saying its talented.

OK, now i reckon your taking the piss. Thats exactly what i was saying.
Eric Clapton must be devastated that you think this way. I think i can hear carlos santana crying a river as well.

Please cop on.

Lemming · 09-05-2002 8:51pm

Originally posted by PORNAPSTER
You were more or less saying its ok to
play at turtle speed and saying its talented.

Erm .. some of THE greatest riffs/ guitar solo's are played at "turtle speed" and f*ck are they talented

GnR - November Rain, Sweet Child of Mine
Eagles - Hotel California
Thin Lizzy - Parisienne Nights
Queen - It's a kind of magic
Clapton - Layla
Led Zepplin - Stairway to Heaven

and I'm sure there's a bucket load others I'm missing.

Last time I checked - pretty much all of the riffs/solos in those songs are played at what you would consider "turtle speed"

Speed does not equal Great. It most certainly implies technically capable, and I will not dispute that. But youre missing what it is that makes great music GREAT.... the "music". Stop showing off and try to express yourself through the music. Your instrument becomes an extension of your emotions, of your soul. Let it sing. THAT is what stops so many technically capable people writing music that is out of this world.

(and no .. Im' not stoned or drunk)

Karl Hungus · 09-05-2002 8:54pm

I'm going with Lemming on this one...

I mean, has anyone here ever heard Children Of Bodom's cover of The Trooper?
It's played about 4 times the speed of the original, and it's ****E!!!

/|/)etal)-|ead · 09-05-2002 9:19pm

I know this isn't really stickin to the subject, but Angel, don't diss Children of Bodom. They rule!!! I only got into them a few months ago, but the guitarist is almost as good as friggin Yngwie Malmsteen, and the keyboard player is unbelievably good.
plus, all their songs are really well written in a sort of classical fashion.

Jim plays the first solo in Orion (puppets album) for defo anyway.

yeah, i know he plays a few of the slower solos here and there, but i was wondering who wrote them.

p.s. apparently Dave Mustaine will eventually be able to play guitar again after his injury

Lemming · 09-05-2002 9:24pm

Originally posted by /|/)etal)-|ead
yeah, i know he plays a few of the slower solos here and there, but i was wondering who wrote them.

Well, afaik, Cliff taught Jim and Kirk about harmony, counter-point, etc. - all classical music stuff.

So i would imagine that he had a serious input into the guitar work for Orion

cournioni · 09-05-2002 10:29pm

Originally posted by AngelWhore
I'm going with Lemming on this one...

I mean, has anyone here ever heard Children Of Bodom's cover of The Trooper?
It's played about 4 times the speed of the original, and it's ****E!!!

Yeah... I see your point there. But you must not class all speed metal as ****e because of Children of Bodom's cover! And anyway, thats an opinion, not a fact. The fact that it was a cover song was why they speeded the song up so much, they didn't actually write the song if you know what I'm talking about.

P.S. I would like to add that I prefer "Hangar 18" by Megadeth over any Metallica song. And yes that is an opinion.

cournioni · 09-05-2002 10:52pm

Originally posted by Lemming

Erm .. some of THE greatest riffs/ guitar solo's are played at "turtle speed" and f*ck are they talented

GnR - November Rain, Sweet Child of Mine
Eagles - Hotel California
Thin Lizzy - Parisienne Nights
Queen - It's a kind of magic
Clapton - Layla
Led Zepplin - Stairway to Heaven

and I'm sure there's a bucket load others I'm missing.

Last time I checked - pretty much all of the riffs/solos in those songs are played at what you would consider "turtle speed"

Speed does not equal Great. It most certainly implies technically capable, and I will not dispute that. But youre missing what it is that makes great music GREAT.... the "music". Stop showing off and try to express yourself through the music. Your instrument becomes an extension of your emotions, of your soul. Let it sing. THAT is what stops so many technically capable people writing music that is out of this world.

(and no .. Im' not stoned or drunk)

I would not consider any of them turtle speed as a matter of fact, I'm on about slower than that. LOL. I mean slow enough so that you can hear the change of chords. Last time I played like that it sounded terrible come to think of it.

I never said that speed = great either. I just like fast music, I have nothing against slow music... I was just arguing with the people that started saying that fast music was more or less sh*t, and that I should start listening to different types of music. Personally, I have nothing against Metallica other than their image at this current time. And if you look at the "what metal song are you listening to now?" thread, you'll clearly see that I still very much like the old school stuff. It's just that personally I think Megadeth are better on their instruments because of some of the excellent riffs and solos they play. And most of the solos they play aren't even one tenth of the speed of other bands I listen to. I'm not saying that they are any better or any worse than Megadeth because of their speed. I judge them by their writing and technical ability. And as I said, I prefer Megadeth because of that.

Karl Hungus · 10-05-2002 12:34am

Originally posted by /|/)etal)-|ead
I know this isn't really stickin to the subject, but Angel, don't diss Children of Bodom. They rule!!! I only got into them a few months ago, but the guitarist is almost as good as friggin Yngwie Malmsteen, and the keyboard player is unbelievably good.
plus, all their songs are really well written in a sort of classical fashion.

Oh, don't get me wrong!
CoB are a fantastic band!
I'm just saying it was a terrible cover.

I'd actualy say that Alexi (Guitarist) is BETTER than Malmstein.
Considering that he's about a third of his age, and he writes far better music, he's extremely impressive.

king of fifa · 10-05-2002 2:36am

mettalica sound better (first four albums only) .i can't stand mustaines singing bit i will always have a thousand times more respect for deth cause they didn't sell out.i suppose it would have been hard; dave mustaine doing whiskey in the jar anyone?

/|/)etal)-|ead · 11-05-2002 9:22pm

heh sorry for accusing u of not liking COB Angelwhore ^_^
I didn't realise u just meant that particular song ( i haven't even heard it!). I wonder how the hell he got so brilliant so young- I think he played the violin when he was a child or something so maybe that helped lol.
Yeah, i agree that alexi writes much better music than Yngwie

Dustaz · 11-05-2002 9:48pm

Originally posted by king of fifa
mettalica sound better (first four albums only) .i can't stand mustaines singing bit i will always have a thousand times more respect for deth cause they didn't sell out.i suppose it would have been hard; dave mustaine doing whiskey in the jar anyone?

Megadeth did the Anarchy in the USA cover before Metallica recorded Whiskey in the Jar. Of course Metallica had done lots of covers before that one.
Doing a cover does not make you a 'Sell out' you mong.

Is it possible that Metallicas personal musical preference brought them forwards and made them write differently? Not eveyone is a raving 'DAETH TOE FALES METAL' all their life you know.

Anyway, selling out is not the topic of this thread, so ill leave it now (i dare someone to start a thread on it, it would be very amusing.)

smiles · 11-05-2002 10:09pm

For me Metallica have real depth and feeling/emotion in their song, which means i enjoy them more.

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Karl Hungus · 12-05-2002 2:08am

Originally posted by /|/)etal)-|ead
heh sorry for accusing u of not liking COB Angelwhore ^_^
I didn't realise u just meant that particular song ( i haven't even heard it!). I wonder how the hell he got so brilliant so young- I think he played the violin when he was a child or something so maybe that helped lol.
Yeah, i agree that alexi writes much better music than Yngwie

The guy must have been playing since he was able to walk.

But in a lot of scandinavian countries, the government give grants for kids to buy musical instruments, and get lessons. So you'll find that a lot of the musicians are EXTREMELY well trained. Take a look at Ihsahn from Emperor! On the last album, he played almost every single instrument except for the drums.

On the Diabolical Masquerade album "Death's Design", Blakkheim played all the guitars/bass/drums/Keyboards and vocals, aswell as conducting an entire Orchestra! Now that's musicianship!