sry.. But the story with ADSL at the moment is?

chernobyl

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by chernobyl:
i know what broadband is so you dont need to get *****y with me.
i did say that it was in my opinion and not fact.


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from reading your posts chernobyl, you obviously havent a fu<king clue what broadband is.now listen to your wise elders and shutup.
oki doki, will do chernobyl.

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Greenbean

The main problem with Ireland is basic economics. We DO NOT have a favourable customer user base. In effect, I expect until the day we all die, we shall be paying through the nose to get above mediocre services. Given that that Ireland is now about as rich in comparison to the rest of europe that its ever going to get I suspect things won't get a whole lot better than they are now. Surf no limits was the peak of affordability in Ireland. Our best hope is for telecommunications companies to become pan european, so in effect they treat Ireland as part of a gigantic market and wash us with the same good deals that can be given out in a mass market. With a small internal customer base we will go nowhere. Vote NICE for the sake of your net connection!

Skeptic1

I think the "one huge market" thing is partly just propaganda by the large companies to justify mergers. In practice, when delivering services, things tend to be specific to the locality. For example NTL are still rolling out cable modem Internet in Britain (Manchester at the moment) but they have stopped completely here.

The large single market seems to apply more to products which can be made in one country and shipped to all the others. Here, companies do not have the option of varying prices much as people will simply import them privately.

The exception to this is large items such as cars where people have to travel personally to pick up the item. Car prices vary greatly from one country to another even though they are marketed by the same organisation.

I consider services to be similar to large items in that you can't import the service from another country; you have to have it supplied locally.

I agree with your point about the user base. These things don't help either.

Quorthon

<font face="Verdana, Arial" size="2">Originally posted by Greenbean:
The main problem with Ireland is basic economics. We DO NOT have a favourable customer user base. In effect, I expect until the day we all die, we shall be paying through the nose to get above mediocre services. Given that that Ireland is now about as rich in comparison to the rest of europe that its ever going to get I suspect things won't get a whole lot better than they are now. Surf no limits was the peak of affordability in Ireland. Our best hope is for telecommunications companies to become pan european, so in effect they treat Ireland as part of a gigantic market and wash us with the same good deals that can be given out in a mass market. With a small internal customer base we will go nowhere. Vote NICE for the sake of your net connection!</font>

Greenbean,

We may be as rich as the rest of Europe in the statistical sense, such as GNP/GDP per capita, or average net disposable income, but in infrastructural terms we are still a third world country. The concept of a pan-european market is great, except until there is a pan-european planning process, it will never benefit us here. I read somewhere in an article on the whole Luas fiasco, that Lyon, who were comtemplating the idea of installing a metro type system at the same time as us and ordered the trams from the same company at the same time we did, installed those trams last July. We, on the other hand havent got a single piece of track laid. It takes something like an average of 7 years here for a public project to get from start to completion due to the plannign process, while the european average is 1.5 years.

This is the context in which the major telcos are basically just dropping ireland as its not worth the hassle.


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Gladiator

what do you expect,everybody gets back handers and everyone creams money off the top, the light rail thing is far to expensive for what it offers.
i allso bet other eu countries did it cheaper.
its a disgrace but thats how things work here,
you have to bribe people to do their job

[-FI-]Barra

here is what i got from eircom via email:

Hi David,
Thank you for your recent email. Eircom will announce the next part of
its strategy to remain market leader in the communications /
entertainment market when we unveil plans for the introduction of DSL
in the coming weeks. We cannot currently release information
regarding eircom's retail proposition as we are assessing market needs
and how these might best be addressed using DSL.

O We can assure you, however, that we aim to offer customers the best
range of DSL enabled services we can, and we are committed to
providing this technology to as many customers as possible on a phased
basis beginning this year. Actual role out plans have not been
finalised and we are therefore unable to tell you exactly when and
where the service will be available at the moment. Currently, there
are field trials in the Dublin area. As soon as we are in a position
to provide customers with more specific details of eircom's DSL
offering we will do so.


Kind Regards

Dolores




1. What is DSL?
DSL stands for Digital Subscriber Line technology. DSL is a relatively
new technology that makes use of the existing copper phone lines to
significantly increase bandwidth. DSL essentially takes existing voice
cables and turns them into a high-speed digital link.

2. What is ADSL?
ADSL stands for Asymmetric Digital Subscriber Line. It is Asymmetric
in the sense that it delivers speeds that differ between upstream and
downstream. For example, a 256Kbps/64Kbps connection means you are
receiving data at 256Kbps and outputting data at 64Kbps. ADSL is the
most popular and cost effective form of DSL technology. eircom's
current focus is on delivering ADSL to the market.

3. What equipment do I need to get ADSL?
In order to benefit from the full capability of ADSL customers are
generally required to obtain the following equipment:

· ADSL Modem - This is the device that transmits data at high speed
between the customer's premises and the telephone exchange,
· Splitter - A splitter is a device that separates the voice band from
the data band, allowing voice and data to be transmitted
simultaneously over a single line,
· A Computer - A PC or Apple Macintosh is required in order to receive
high speed Internet access,
· Ethernet/Network Interface Card (NIC) - This card provides a
standardised way of connecting computers together to create a network,
· Set-Top-Box - This is a box that allows you to receive a number of
interactive services such as Video on Demand, Pay per view events, web
browsing, email, home shopping and e-commerce services, all through
your existing television set.
· Infrared Keyboard - This is a cordless keyboard that allows you to
interact with your digital TV, type emails on screen, as well as visit
and scroll through Web pages on WebTV,
· DTV Remote Control - Typical of any TV remote control. It allows
users to control the TV, change channels, view the TV guide, and in
some cases send email in a similar way to sending a text messages on a
mobile phone.




4. Does ADSL affect regular telephone services?
ADSL should have no effect on regular telephone services. With ADSL it
is possible to perform such tasks as sending a fax, making or
receiving a call, at the same time as surfing the NET or downloading
high-bandwidth information from a corporate LAN.

5. What are the main benefits/selling points of ADSL?
- Simultaneous Internet and voice/fax capabilities over a single
telephone line,
- Uninterrupted, high-speed Internet access that's "always on",
- Video on Demand, Digital TV and WebTV,
- All services can be offered over one connection and potentially
billed on one bill i.e. a service 'bundle'


6. Is ADSL available in my area?
Availability of ADSL is dependent on industry agreed roll out plans.
For this reason each individual customer's ability to avail of ADSL
and the level of service they can receive will be assessed as part of
a rollout programme which is still under discussion. The availability
of ADSL is subject to a number of limitations e.g. the distance of the
customers premises from the telephone exchange (the ADSL end-user must
be located within three cable miles of an ADSL-equipped serving office
in order for DSL to operate effectively - the bandwidth available
degrades with the distance travelled).

Gladiator

hmm interesting

[-FI-]Barra

i think it nearly says we are on course for dsl including home users!

Gladiator

i think it says, "we dont know what teh **** were doing here, so heres an email made up of bites of all the old ones that mean sweet **** all"
id have to agree with them on that, theres so many different things coming out of eircom these days.
forget the digital, they would need something inbetween full rate adsl and vdsl

[-FI-]Barra

glad it seems you dont want adsl maybe not you may be being realistic but heh there is hope they are doing more than they did before,if u have a tad less negitivity you may be a more "Happy" person no?
i agree with adrens post ,hope,optisism, and as i say they are doing more than before and yes i think they will role it out in september and thast my view ,all you have done gladiator is tell your view of "**** sake eircom are ghay im never going to get a broadband access" lighten up ,see the light,,see the hope!!

Gladiator

spread the love man,
its just that as soon as you think you have the whole thing figured out they so and mess you around again. that digital tv things just did my head in, after they said serveral times they had dropped it.