A Star Wars forum

lordsippa

Shinji pretty much got it. But there's another point... There's a LOTR's forum and a Smallville forum (smallville, is however, much more cult and hence the only way it's fans won't get muppets constantly shouting "Smallville sucks" is by being isolated. I like it but rarely see it, so i don't bother with the forum) and so forth, and they're already been used in the whole "everybody's doing it so why can't i?" argument.

And so why not give another forum for them to use in further ones. Next up, Ian and I will be looking for a red dwarf forum to discuss the upcoming movie and future series... and then someone else will want a Quantam Leap forum to discuss the old episodes and to make petitions to try and have a new series made (there already have been hundreds).

And then we'll get a Captain N, or D&D cartoon forum, or a U2 forum and then boards will go to hell.

So as i see it, if something can be accomodated on sci/fi board then why not leave it there? sure it sucks to lose out to the LOTR fans (which i am, but i don't bother using that forum either), but who cares?! you already said yourself that there's too much pettiness.

Doodee

OMG!!!
Shinji how could U!!!!!

yes, I also believe that the star wars forum would have been a community forum..
Also Bard and the likes .... if SW should be left in the Sci-Fi board then why was there a LOTR forum ever created.
Its fine saying that Its Clouds Little Baby (No disrespect intended Mr C.Warrior Sir) but if everyone who started something great like boards decided doing their own thing whenever they Felt then the place wouldnt be what it is...
You may not like it or you may love it but as far as I can see there would deffinitly be enough of a popularity to have the Board installed...even as Cesar says for a Trails Period...
Star wars is far from Conventional Sci-Fi... it s far more popular and has in places a Die Hard fan base...
I can see huge differences between Star Wars and any Star Trek or Police Accademy (Omg you !!)

if you subdivide down stuff too far, then every board looks empty and you get a tumbleweed effect across the whole boards system.

and creating a Star Wars forum is going to do this... in all fairness Shinji there are some forums that shouldnt be here and I'm not going to name them incase I upset anyyou but I think that Star Wars itselfs Justifies the Need for its own Forum.....
If it comes down to a Case that I have to flood the Sci/Fi Board week in Week out wiv Star Wars Junk that will annoy the **** out of the Trekkies as they will realise how ****e a Programme that was and how much of a Copy it was then so be it..... Once I finish my L.C I will do it However it would be far easier (and less damaging to the Trekkies Emotions and Less to clean up on the roadsides below all those High Car parks) to create a SW Forum...

Just give us a Trial so.... bit more than 2 weeks though as I dont finish my L.C till 17th of June..

Doodee

So as i see it, if something can be accomodated on sci/fi board then why not leave it there? sure it sucks to lose out to the LOTR fans (which i am, but i don't bother using that forum either), but who cares?!

Yea so why wasnt the LOTR forum originally K?ept within the Sci/Fi forum...and Red Dwarf..???

Next up, Ian and I will be looking for a red dwarf forum to discuss the upcoming movie and future series... and then someone else will want a Quantam Leap forum to discuss the old episodes and to make petitions to try and have a new series made (there already have been hundreds).

Well for one Star Wars has been around a Hell of alot longer and including Books and Films I'd say there is alot more Content that is Star Wars associated..

Not only that but Red Dwarf sprung from a series and allthough alot of those RD Episodes where made I dont think that there is enough to Warrent an entire Forum... also I find that you seem to be exagerating this point since getting your own LOTR Forum...
I h8 to be sounding like a Complete anti Tolkien (Which im far from) but I do believe that Star Wars Equally Deserves a Forum to LOTR

Don't remember much Lord of the rings talk around here either before the forum was set the occasion post about the books and previews to the film.

Indeed but maybe some ppl are just more Biased toward Tolkien than Lucas.....:rolleyes:

Winters

Go for it! Star Wars forum twill be cool!

jaggeh

ask anyone that knows me in real life (from boards of course) i am probably the most anal-retentave to detail person when it comes to star wars, and i have to agree with the no vote tbh.

what shinji said is right, if we keep splitting and subdividing boards it will become a far worse place.

GreenHell

I don't see the harm in creating a sw form and a community forum would be perfect. Once the hype has disappeared about the new film there are still going to be fans who wish to discuss it.

koneko

Exactly. No harm. I'd be a happy camper too.

Samson

Add my name to the list of those in favour.

Inspector Gadget

...that think fragmentation of the boards is a bad idea.

As I see it, the "harm" is that more and more boards will get created, for ever-more-specific subject matters, with the end result that:

1. The boards.ie forum listing will read like "War and Peace".
2. People will see movies and TV shows getting their own forums, and eventually there'll be some muppet looking for a forum for things like "The Angelus" and "Oireachtas Report" :eek:
3. Many of these proposed forums won't elicit a whole pile of threads in the long term - a forum needs a certain minimum volume of posts to maintain their momentum, and if we keep splitting up relatively quiet forums like "Sci-Fi/Fantasy" none of the boards will be busy enough for people to bother checking in with them - in other words, the "tumbleweed effect".
4. Finding good, even-handed moderators for all of these boards will prove an increasingly difficult task, leading to sub-optimal people being appointed, perhaps initially as "stop-gap" measures, causing more problems.
5. The increasingly specific nature of the forums will most likely lead to substantially reduced user interaction - if people only visit forums that correspond to their very specific interests that's bad for the boards as it will foster a very insular mentality, and considering the whole point of places like this (in theory, at least) is to share knowledge and discuss, opinions, this can't be good... can it? As a potentially relevant example, what good is a Star Wars vs., say, Star Trek thread if all of the people reading the forum in which it's posted are self-evidently Star Wars fans?

Believe me, I'm anything but anti-Star Wars, but this is a general principle that I think must be enforced. The board operators can (and do) create forums at their discretion, of course (examples of this would be the LOTR and Smallville forums) but we can't expect a forum for everything.

Just my 2c...
Gadget

GreenHell

There is far more to star wars than just 5 movies. I've said before when the hype dies away about the current film it won't appear much more on films/tv but in a stars wars community forum it will still be discussed. As well as the expanded universe. Its a small fragmentation of the boards, so are all the other boards. If you persued this logic then there would only be need for one board and well I suppose would be the after hours board .

If you don't like you don't have to visit it, if you think something you want discussed will have a greater appeal then post in one of the main forums. As you can that in between the petty bickering there are supporters of this forum being created. So once again, what harm is there.

Inspector Gadget

Originally posted by GreenHell
So once again, what harm is there.

Star Wars isn't doing anyone any harm per se, but the point is the precedent being set. I'm amazed it's not more obvious that everyone will be looking for their own forums for their own series/movie/TV show - whatever anyone thinks, SW is merely a series six movies (with a possibility of another three) alongside a sheaf of novels and a whole truckload of marketing. Star Trek, in this sense, is exactly the same, only with even more movies, five live-action and one animated TV series thrown in for good measure; I'm a fan of both, but I still know that's all they are, so I'm not going to wax evangelical about either. This is also what everyone else who wants their own board for "Ally McBeal" or "Big Brother" or whatever will say, after all...

However, at the end of the day, the admins can create any boards they like. If Cloud or DeV or someone okays an SW board, then lovely; this is their playground, after all; however, I can just see this degenerating over time if everyone that wants one gets a forum.

Maybe it's just me, but...
Gadget

Doodee

I'm amazed it's not more obvious that everyone will be looking for their own forums for their own series/movie/TV show

This will only happen when all the Mods let it happen.. fact is that if there is enough interest in a separate forum (Especially something the likes of Star Wars) then it should be created..
I mean your Tumbleweed Excuse does work in the opposite arguement that if people dont see that there is a Star Wars forum then that may inhibit them not Posting info on it .
Fact is that certain ppl will only post things that they feel is adiquate in the Forum they are in
If im sounding somewhat complicated then in a Nutshell .. ppl may feel more relaxed posting info about star wars within a Star Wars forum. They may feel Uncomfortable posting about it in the Sci-Fi Forum as there appears to be allot of Trekky fans there.
Also inorder for Boards to Keep sub-dividing then the Admins would have to agree to Every Stupid Forum being asked for and as I can see it Star Wars is alot bigger than Ally McBral (Gadget we know you watch it) or Big brother..

- whatever anyone thinks, SW is merely a series six movies

OMG!!!! Star wars is a hell of alot bigger than just six movies!
There are Heaps of Star Wars Games...board Games (Monopoly SW) and PC Games not to mention the hundreds of Novels..
Saying that Star Wars is just six Movies is a pure sign of ignorance and if you dont believe me then just Type Star Wars into Google or Yahoo or AltaVista and see how many pages you'll get...

Dont be at yourself

Question: Why do you feel the need to have a Star Wars forum? Do you have a problem posting Star Wars related topics on the other forums?

GreenHell

Yes

Look the same question can be asked about most of the other community forums.

Ah the circle is complete.

lordsippa

Firstly, Doodee, threats will only hamper your case and make you seem... silly. <see your hole "I will spam the sci-fi board"> Y'see it makes you irrational.

Also, I think the most continually valid point being made is that this forum is not needed. But it's not just that it's not needed, it also has negative knock on effects, and is - to put it nicely - a waste. And the only time a forum like that is perfectly acceptable is when the ALMIGHTY GENIUS THAT IS CLOUD (ALL HAIL) deems it so. <sings hymns in the praise of HE THAT IS I AM (CLOUD)!>

Gordon

Sounds like there's more -nay- than -yay-. Why not put it to a poll and see how many think so?

Caesar_Bojangle

All you have to do is check the films/tv section to see all the threads related to star wars in one way or another.

What is Cloud's view on this?

GreenHell

A poll would show how people would and would not want it so you could gauge how many people would use a forum by the responses. Since some people want isn't a reason not to get a board because more voted against it.

GreenHell

Actually there hasn't been one response from the admins. If your reading this thread. Whats your take on this?

Inspector Gadget

Originally posted by Doodee
OMG!!!! Star wars is a hell of alot bigger than just six movies!
There are Heaps of Star Wars Games...board Games (Monopoly SW) and PC Games not to mention the hundreds of Novels..
Saying that Star Wars is just six Movies is a pure sign of ignorance and if you dont believe me then just Type Star Wars into Google or Yahoo or AltaVista and see how many pages you'll get...

Right... one moment (/me dons asbestos suit just in case)

Surely this is a sign of pure pragmatism? Also, I believe you're making my point for me: I mentioned the books, and the monopoly/computer games/toys is purely a money making marketing/merchandising racket. (I should know; I've got X-Wing vs. TIE Fighter, Rebel Assault and Jedi Knight 2 myself). Beyond that, there are five released movies, plus one in the works for six, and George Lucas saying he won't do 7,8 and 9... the bit missing from this is "at least until I'm running low on cash".

The fact is that the "fi" in "sci-fi" stands for fiction. In other words, it's not real. Your post makes it sound as if I've said or done something so abhorrent as to have managed to simultaneously offend all of the planet's major religions (by the way, are you one of the people who put down your religion as "Jedi" in the recent census?) at once, and that there's a dozen blokes waiting outside my door with lightsabres to cut me to nicely cauterised ribbons!!! Come on; this is merely about a discussion forum about an imaginary sci-fi universe. A good one, but imaginary nonetheless. There's definitely no need to stoop to baser tactics like alleging that I watch Ally McBeal :eek:

Oh, and by the way, numbers:

Google hits (approximate)
"Star Wars" 1,650,000

...compared to (sample words):
"Pizza" 3,080,000
"Beer" 5,070,000
"Cinema" 6,310,000
"Wine" 8,290,000
"Holiday" 10,900,000
"Television" 11,100,000
"Porn" (I had to, really, for educational purposes :rolleyes: ) 15,400,000
"Car" 33,700,000

...it would appear that most people have different priorities to you, yes?

Gadget

Gordon

Originally posted by Inspector Gadget

"Star Wars" 1,650,000

"Lord of the rings" 955,000

Inspector Gadget

Originally posted by Gordon
"Lord of the rings" 955,000

Google says 932,000 to me for "Lord Of The Rings", actually... but I think I see what you're getting at

Gadget
P.S.> Anyone tried "Smallville"? Uh oh... :eek:

koneko

Star Wars isn't doing anyone any harm per se, but the point is the precedent being set.

Shouldn't this have been considered when the actual precedent was being set? Lord Of The Rings, Smallville, Operation Flashpoint.

The way I see it, a SW forum would have more activity than the latter two (and the LOTR one at the moment). I believe the LOTR one will pick back up again closer to the Two Towers release, but how is in any way different from a SW forum?

If I have to, I can keep posting in sci fi, films/tv, literature, and games. I just thought it may be a better idea to group it all together, so the SW-interested-people know where look instead of browsing aaall over the board.

I'm not going to argue the point anymore that the SW board should be allowed as it will have more activity than the other tumbleweed-boards around. I'm merely going to say therés a lot of people here that do like SW, and would like a special little place to discuss it.

p.s. for the record, I put myself down as No Religion on the form

Inspector Gadget

...I don't think that either LOTR or Smallville deserved a thread either, for what it's worth; but the fact remains that they were created because the boards.ie admins wanted them. This is their privilege and their right, and more power to them. (While I'm not trying to pick on anyone in particular, this is the only way to explain the presence of, for example, the "Couriers" community forum, with a grand total of 13 posts in 3 threads ever)

The one other thing about creating boards for this, and creating boards for that, a point that I don't believe has been discussed, is that it's always much easier to create one than to get one shut down. If we branch off into ever decreasing circles vis-á-vis forum topics, then we could very well end up with a whole pile of empty forums. Then someone will ask or post a poll asking whether such-and-such forum should be shut down, and one guy (and probably no more, if it's gone dead) will pop his head up to defend it to death because he likes his Mod badge - especially if it carries zero workload. Hey presto, it's not the tumbleweed effect, it's the snowball effect - except because the forums are scattered halfway across the cosmos it's practically impossible to manage...

Gadget

GreenHell

You keep saying its the admins decision if a board gets created or not, so why are you persuing this?

Its obvious that some people would like an SW board, me included. It won't fragment the boards, I know what your saying but star wars has a bit more of a falling than most of the movies discussed in films/tv and has more of a right to a forum of its own, eg Rugrats movie won't get a forum because most of the boards readers couldn't give much of a rats ass about it (I could be wrong of course ).

Doodee

The fact is that the "fi" in "sci-fi" stands for fiction. In other words, it's not real.

*Cough* LOTR,Smallville,Couriers

(by the way, are you one of the people who put down your religion as "Jedi" in the recent census?)

Yes!

There's definitely no need to stoop to baser tactics like alleging that I watch Ally McBeal

Im sorry that wasnt even a tactic

I watch Ally McBeal

Like I said

"Star Wars" 1,650,000

Star is one word - Wars is another
Try Pizza Beer
O wait let me....

Searched the web for Pizza Beer. Results 1 - 10 of about 303,000. Search took 0.16 seconds

there's a dozen blokes waiting outside my door with lightsabres to cut me to nicely cauterised ribbons!!!

If they were true Jedi they wouldnt have to use Lightsabers...


Look I find this constact "It will cause a Tumbleweed effect" excuse a load of Bollix
It has been implied more than once and was never used for teh LOTR Smallville forums.

Also if poll results showed that a Particular forum was to be closed im sure it would as..

but the fact remains that they were created because the boards.ie admins wanted them. This is their privilege and their right, and more power to them.

the admins always can.. like you said they have the power to create aswell as destroy..
I dont seem to understand what your imeediate probem is with creating this forum as if your not a star wars fan then dont read the stuff and yes I would feel uncomfortable posting star wars stuff on teh sci-fi forum...
PPl would feel more comfortable and less likely to be a target of critisism if they could post their info ona forum dedicated to Star Wars
I'll say it again.. give it a trial and if it doesnt take off after a month or two then Delete it... Leave it modded by cloud or MP or Kharn and that wont cause any more mods "Defending to the Death" the forum...

smoke.me.a.kipper

theres already too many boards. ffs! i cant spam them all you know! :rolleyes:

Inspector Gadget

Originally posted by GreenHell
You keep saying its the admins decision if a board gets created or not, so why are you persuing this?

Its obvious that some people would like an SW board, me included. It won't fragment the boards, I know what your saying but star wars has a bit more of a falling than most of the movies discussed in films/tv and has more of a right to a forum of its own, eg Rugrats movie won't get a forum because most of the boards readers couldn't give much of a rats ass about it (I could be wrong of course ).

I'm not trying to hound Star Wars fans in any way; being one, that would be a mite hypocritical of me. In fact, as long as people like Doodee (okay, it's just Doodee) desist(s) from making stupendously idiotic posts like the one just above (for example: "Star is one word - Wars is another" - why do you think the search term was in quotes? Hello? Or am I to search for either word so that pages about the various wars throughout Earth's history and a good chunk of the web's astronomy resources make the numbers look bigger? Give me patience!), and people start actually reading my posts (yes, Doodee, this means you too, but this time not just you) instead of just skimming them (case in point: what I actually said was that "admins can create forums if they feel like it", but that's completely unrelated to people pressurising them to create boards about their own pet topic), this will be my last post on the subject.

Gadget

GreenHell

There is demand, it won't collapse the boards....

lordsippa

It may not in itself collapse the boards but what it may lead to being created might... when every popular work of fiction, with any sort of following gets it's own forum then all hell will break loose. LOTR is only understandable in that it's clouds. Smallville is a perfect example of the precedence argument at work. It was, in itself, harmless, but now it's become the tool of EVERYONE in this argument.

Also, Doodee relax and breathe please. We're not taking shots at star wars or you (or at least most of us aren't). There's no need for all this bickering (includes you gadget). <hehe... this councelling shtick is easy!>

But yes... If a star wars forum IS made all I can say is good luck to whoever mods it. It's going to instantly become muppet central! <"hur hur hur - i herd da in stars wars 3 u saw yer one's tids 4 a second!" and so on... urgh!>

And Doodee, although you *may* have deep psychological issues, feeling threatened about posting star wars stuff on sci-fi board is... well... really sad man.

jonno

I can't believe it's not being considered. Like what's the story with the smallville forum? LOL.

I don't see why the star wars fans can't have their own forum. When they want to see what's going on or whos talking about it they have to go through the effort of going thru the sci/fi and film/tv forums to hope that maybe somebody has decided to have a chat about the films or the Universe books, or news concerning the new films.

There is obviously a demand for this forum so I don't see the problem. I don't see why it would lose interest in it either. Like theres a bigger following to Star Wars than LOTR or to Smallville for that matter. (God I still can't believe there's a forum for that LOL:D )

I know what the mod's are worried about fragmenting the boards. But look at the following for this franchise. It's massive and obviously alot of us boards members are for the idea. At least think about it.

After all you thought about a forum for Smallville

astrofool

how about if we renamed Sci-Fi / Fantasy to:

Sci-Fi / Fantasy / Star Wars ??

would certainly solve all the problems

Gerry

how about we get rid of all the boards apart from the quake board, and end this whining.

Doodee

LOL Gerry, not that easy.
Gadget I never ment to get hot headed but the way you used simple one syllable words like "CAR" and compaired them to something which is clearly Defined as "Star Wars" I felt that there was a need for comparison...unfortunatly it was done in my somewhat Sarcastic and cynical way.. soz...

Yes Lordsippa I do have issues... unfortunatly I dont have enough money to pay for a shrink so nuffin can be done there....

Inspector Gadget

Lordsippa, don't drag me into this! I said I wasn't going posting any more in this thread! However, as long as we all seem to be keeping a sense of humour about it, things won't get out of hand.
Gadget

For those of you who noticed I said I wasn't posting anything else in here...
[JEDIMINDTRICK]This is not the post you're looking for...[/JEDIMINDTRICK]:D

koneko

[jedimindtrick]Gadget, you want a Star Wars board[/jedimindtrick]


Gerry, that would mean the Technology board aswell. Don't make me cry.

Clintons Cat

how about a private forum,that way there will be no new forum on the index to confuse noobs who could still post starwars stuff in sci fi and if it goes tits up there will be no knock on tumbleweed effect.
That way dedicated starwars fans could address each other as "brother jedi" without being expossed to the riddicule of non believers,get one of those cool flame tags and solicit noobs with pms like "psst kid wanna see a real cool se'kret star wars board?"

the board should like the LOTR board enforce a *strictly starwars* policy to prevent it upsurping the Sci fi board

Gavin

Originally posted by Gerry
how about we get rid of all the boards apart from the quake board, and end this whining.

nah, the bleedin q2ers will start complaining then

Gav

RopeDrink

This was probably appropriate for the beginning of this thread, but sod it - Better late than never...
The bulk of my arguement was against a SW Forum being a MAIN forum seeing as it can be a discussable topic on both the TV/Films forum and SciFi/Fantasy - but if the people were happy having a community, or even private forum, then It would probably be a half decent idea... (If only to shut you screaming fans up )

Then again, deciding not to create a SW Forum despite it's current demand would place the Smallville (lol) and LOTR Forums under fire with "WhY dOeS LORT GEAT A FOREUM AEND SW DEOSNT'!?!*" etc, so all in all maybe it would be something to be considered...

Ooo-eeeerrr, this is coming from someone who has pretty much zero interest in Star Wars at all... :eek:

astrofool

I think the main point is that sci-fi / fantasy is THE perfect place to post about star wars, whats the point in having a general board title if everyone makes their own boards out of them ?

then again if they're anything like this we better comply...

http://www.northeastsprinkler.com/solf/misc/sw-triumph.wmv

lordsippa

Yay! Astrofool thank you! Sense! At last! Sense!

Wheeeeeeeeee!

<lordsippa now loses any sway in this argument through an overly large display of idiocy>

jonno

I think it's the one forum that boards.ie is lacking.

I mean the Smallville forum isn't exactly buzzing with threads. I think if there was a Star Wars forum that it would at least be busier than that one is at the moment. I think it's worth the thought. Like theres definately more to talk about on the subject on Star Wars for it to earn it's own forum.

People are saying that it can be covered in the sci/fi and the film/tv forums but then LOTR could be covered in the literature and film/tv forums.

I know everybody keeps bringing it back down to LOTR having it's own forum but that's what the argument ultimately comes down to.

LOTR fans have their own forum why can't the star wars fans have theirs.

It's a simple argument really.
(And if boards.ie are worried about fragmenting of the site, think of this - how many other film franchises are as big as star wars is now and how big it will be?)

Dont be at yourself

Monkey see, monkey want.

Caesar_Bojangle

Stop bantering and come to a conclusion.

Monkey does want actually.

Dont be at yourself

Monkey does not need.

Doodee

stop playing with my MonkEy..............................................Quote...
Its "Monkey See, Monkey Do" :rolleyes:

Ooo-eeeerrr, this is coming from someone who has pretty much zero interest in Star Wars at all...

Yea you fell asleep through ROTJ apparently.. or was it ANH???
Your rant card has no Effect on Jedi's Ropeh... Gawd... you'll have to try harder now...
Also to sway you to the Dark Side I'll just say this
"your Modem has arrived"

Leave it a Private forum so... Leave all of us Jedi wanna'bies Stew and ponder the best form of revenge....
I suggest Forcing Ropeh to partake in a Jedi Gangreen Midget Porn Flick.... but then again what torture to some may be bliss to others

Samson

Originally posted by Doodee
Leave it a Private forum so...

No, it should not be a private forum.
In my opinion if it is not going to be a "proper" forum it should be a community forum.
If it was a private forum those that were not part of the "Star Wars group" would been unable to comment/ask questions/whatever in the forum.

I have not, as yet, seen Cloud or DeVore engage in this debate.
Could we have some sort of input ?

Winters

Originally posted by Doodee
Leave it a Private forum

That would be the most muppetist of ideas ever Doodee. Star Wars would be one of the most popular* boards if it was to be made. Tis a great idea to ave one.



* Hold me to this and I will kill you

Samson

I've been looking at the "non-private" community boards, and I see that traffic on the Belvedere board is non-existant.
Maybe we could have that space, so as not to lengthen the list further.
Or would that be too upsetting for DeVore to consider ?

Doodee

Samson and Winters..
If the board was started as a private forum there wouldnt be any problem. If yee really do believe that it will be one of the most popular then the amount of posts on it would warrent it being changed to a Full Time forum. However if all we can get is a private forum then leave it at that.
Ya cant go demanding ****e... its their Terms or None at all...