have a laugh (enn)

skrobe

The Irish broadband market will be worth USD89 million by the end of 2006, according to a report from technology research firm IDC.
The research company said that home users in Ireland will make up the most valuable sector of the market at USD57 million by 2006 while the business market will be worth only USD32 million in that same period of time.
Ireland has some of the cheapest wholesale broadband connections in Europe claimed Jill Finger, research manager for IDC's European Telecoms Service. But she further predicted that broadband usage would grow steadily and home user prices would fall over the next five years.
The report from IDC said that broadband take-up increased rapidly in most European countries over 2001, driven mainly by incumbent operator deployments and aggressive marketing rather than competition by alternative competitors.
At the end of 2001 broadband access was available to at least 50 percent of European homes and businesses, but only four percent of homes and eight percent of business sites are paying for it. The overall European market was forecast to grow from USD2 billion in 2001 to USD24 billion in 2006.
"Broadband usage and awareness are definitely on the rise in Europe. However, the local loop unbundling process is simply too complex and politically problematic to create a competitive broadband access market within a reasonable time frame," said Finger. "In this tough economic climate for the telecoms sector, the solution to the competitive access conundrum lies elsewhere, in options such as fair wholesale network access," she said.
The IDC report, "European Broadband Access Services, Forecast and Analysis 2001-2006," said DSL will continue to be the primary method of access for the majority of homes and businesses in most countries for the duration of the forecast period. Alternative access infrastructures, are either not sufficiently deployed, or are too expensive to pose a serious challenge to DSL and cable in the short term.
enn 22/05/02


"Ireland has some of the cheapest wholesale broadband connections in Europe claimed Jill Finger, research manager for IDC's European Telecoms Service. "
who is she and how much did eircon pay!!!

Thorbar

http://www.idc.com/getdoc.jhtml?containerId=PRF000113

spongebob

How's this for a headline for ENN

"Jill Finger predicts Double Digit Growth"

I know which 2 digits I would show her!

M

skrobe

got an email from enn and they have removed the offending line
now i just have to mail her and ask which planet she live on!

aidan_dunne

Originally posted by skrobe
The research company said that home users in Ireland will make up the most valuable sector of the market.....

Jesus but I had to laugh when I read that bit. If home users are going to be such a valuable sector of the market why the hell are Eircom acting the boll**ks and pricing home users out of the DSL market? Obviously Eircom don't think so and only care about the business sector, seeing as they admit that they are aiming it at business user first and foremost.

Whatever gave this woman the impression that Eircom actually care about home users is a complete mystery to me because we all know they couldn't give a flying f**k about the home user.

longword

Originally posted by skrobe
"Ireland has some of the cheapest wholesale broadband connections in Europe claimed Jill Finger, research manager for IDC's European Telecoms Service. "
who is she and how much did eircon pay!!!

Perhaps she meant full LLU rather than wholesale - the LLU prices are pretty reasonable even when compared to UK and European telecos.

Wow. IDC don't half charge for their reports. Jill's last piece of work, a 7 page document on "Metro Ethernet Services in Europe", sells for $1000. Probably a dollar per word.

timod

Originally posted by skrobe

"Ireland has some of the cheapest wholesale broadband connections in Europe claimed Jill Finger, research manager for IDC's European Telecoms Service. " [/B]

This article is accurate...

But....

• Nobody but ISP's and big business can access it
• No ISP is willing to give it out to small firms or consumers at any sort of decent price

This is like our situation with fibre. This country is cris-crossed with fibre. None of it used to it's full potential.

Basically, this report enforces our case that it would be economical for the ISP's to distribute this cheap bandwith to us users.... i.e. if it is so cheap, why can't I get it?

wormhole

Ah.......now i know what getting the finger means:rolleyes:




wormhole

longword

Originally posted by timod

This article is accurate...

I don't think so.

50 euro is pretty much the European average for a RETAIL DSL service. End user price. Eircom are charging ISPs that much for a bitstream wholesale service.

timod

Originally posted by timod
This article is accurate...

Originally posted by longword

I don't think so.

50 euro is pretty much the European average for a RETAIL DSL service. End user price. Eircom are charging ISPs that much for a bitstream wholesale service.

Sorry.... bit of a typo at the start of that...

timod

From the same source (IDC)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_2002000/2002160.stm

Broadband competition 'a myth'

An average of 4% of European homes are now connected to broadband

Broadband take-up is increasing rapidly in Europe but it remains in the hands of a few dominant telecoms companies.

According to analyst firm IDC, the rise of high-speed internet services is down to aggressive marketing campaigns from incumbent operators such as BT rather than a competitive environment.

"Incumbent operators have a majority share of broadband connections in most countries," said IDC research manager Jill Finger.

"The local loop unbundling process is simply too complex and politically problematic to create a competitive broadband access market within a reasonable timeframe " - Jill Finger, IDC

IDC estimates that an average of 4% of homes across Europe are now connected to broadband.

Broadband offered via telephone lines remains the main method of access, accounting for 68% of connections.

Wholesale future

Cable broadband accounts for 30% of the market, with other technologies such as satellite and fixed wireless accounting for just 2% of broadband.

IDC blames the failure of local-loop unbundling - the process whereby other operators take control of telephone lines - for the lack of a competitive broadband landscape.

"The local-loop unbundling process is simply too complex and politically problematic to create a competitive broadband access market within a reasonable timeframe," said Ms Finger.

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Instead, operators will have to rely on wholesale services offered by the incumbent in order to compete in the broadband market, she said.

As broadband take-up increased, operators must look beyond the advantage of speed to sell services to consumers, the report said.

According to the report, enhanced voice services, education, public health services and video streaming are all things operators must consider offering in order to retain customers and create money from broadband in the future.

exiztone2k

How are they allowed to get away with such lies?

dahamsta

How are they allowed to get away with such lies?

They're not really lies exitzone2k, they're more the result of bad reseach, false projections and inaccurate reporting. Mostly bad research in this case though, since Jill Finger doesn't really understand the Irish market, at all. (This is gleaned from information outside that in this thread.)

adam