RTÉ are (was "not") showing the World Cup on Sky

Culchie Boy

Rte, are not showing the world cup on sky, first they blocks the G.A.A on sky now the world cup in case our friends across the irish sea might see something. Whats next blocking the six o clock news. According the license that was granted rte must mirror what is be shown on terrestial tv. Rte are clearly in breach of this contract. A press release i found on the bci.ie website.

FIRST SATELLITE CONTENT CONTRACTS SIGNED TODAY BY THE BCI WITH RTE


The Broadcasting Commission of Ireland (BCI) has announced today (Tuesday, 16th April 2002) the signing of satellite content contracts with RTÉ. These are the first contracts to be finalised by the Commission under the Broadcasting Act 2001. RTÉ submitted an application for the contracts in February last.

The conclusion of the contracts will facilitate the carriage of the RTÉ group of services, both radio and television, on the Sky (. "" The programmes broadcast on all services will exactly mirror those broadcast terrestrially. "")

Digital platform in IrelandSpeaking at the signing of the contract today, Conor J. Maguire, BCI Chairperson said, ‘We are delighted to have been able to conclude contract negotiations with RTÉ in an expedient manner thereby facilitating the carriage of their services on the Sky Digital platform in the very near future. We look forward to concluding a contract with TV3 in respect of their service within the next week.’

‘This is one of the many new areas of responsibility assigned to the Commission under the Broadcasting Act 2001. We are currently considering the framework and procedures for the licensing of new television services. It is envisaged that a draft outline of policy in this area will be completed over the next couple of months’, Conor J. Maguire concluded.




FOR FURTHER INFORMATION, CONTACT
Catherine Logan or Anne O’Brien
Fleishman-Hillard Saunders BCI
Tel: 01 6188 437 01 676 0966


I am not going to let rte allow this sort dictatorship. i am going to contact the bci immediately.

And i urge other people to as well.

Regards, Culchie Boy.

Mountjoy Mugger

What's/who's your source? Have RTE confirmed this?

carrolls

Bloody hell, thats going a little too far.

My advice in that case is watch it on BBC.
The commentators are better. :cool:
The experts are better. :cool:
The interactivity is better. :cool:
The picture quality is better. :cool:

Need I go on?.

SRB

As stated elsewhere it doesn't matter what kind of contract RTE have signed with anyone, if they don't own the rights to programmes/events , they can't show them. Simple as that.

Genghis

I know it is a question of rights, but surely RTE could argue that they are using the latest in encryption technology (i.e. Sky Digital) and in doing so are restricting their broadcast. You cannot account for a very small percentage of viewers that have taken extraordinary steps to circumvent the system. It is simply not fair to the other viewers.

I don't see the BBC having to restrict their coverage. What do other think - would the BBC have more 'illegal' viewers than RTE. You betcha.

BCI need to do something here, this is mad.

ixtlan

Agree 100% with Ghengis...

Rights agreements exist for every single non-RTE program they show. So why should one program be blocked and not another? Especially considering that there is no official or legal(?) way to view the programs in another country.

Actually is it technically illegal to use an Irish Sky card in the UK and vice versa? It must be a breach of contract?

Ix.

irishgeo

Email sent to RTE technicial department to verify this matter. Any reply will be posted as soon as possible.
I could be a while as i am in the last week of my exams. With 2 hards ones to come monday and tuesday and one piss easy one friday.

then a summmer at home on the net all day nearly.

Mossy Monk

this is just great. are RTÉ in the game of punishing sports fans or something. i checked the EPG to see what time they were starting coverage for the France game and "no listings available" was staring me right back in the face. RTÉ have lost another viewer for the World Cup. i'll watch on BBC and ITV

SRB

It really depends if the rights to the programmes are held by other broadcasters already, SKY and the BBC were broadcasting via Sat to Ireland before RTE.....

Mossy Monk

Originally posted by SRB
It really depends if the rights to the programmes are held by other broadcasters already, SKY and the BBC were broadcasting via Sat to Ireland before RTE.....

Sky don't have World Cup rights. the BBC and RTÉ both show things like Eastenders and Neighbours with no difficulty via satellite. how would the World Cup change this, plus the BBC don't have live rights to all World Cup games

SRB

No idea, I was only speculating ! After all the current problems are a direct result of others owning the rights for Sat and RTE not, so unless they have paid to show the games on Sat in Ireland, then they won't be able to.

Culchie Boy

I obtained this info offthe epg. you can search a week ahead. I also rang up rte and they told me they were showing it on sky. But the epg. suggests otherwise. i'll keep ye posted if i hears anything.

Regards Culchie Boy.

Ray Woodward

I think you will find that RTE only bought the *terrestrial* rights for the World Cup in Ireland, that is why it won't be on RTE satellite.

carrolls

There is no such thing as *terrestrial* rights when buying broadcast material.
There is only two criteria that determine the price of broadcast material.
1: The particular territory, and
2: The number of times the item is broadcast in that territory.

irishgeo

i have just emailed worldcup@rte.ie as well to see what the say. Reply posted when i get it.

Must go and watch Have i got news for you its going to be good.

irishgeo

I have done a bit of checking and the following times show up no listings. The programmes that should be on are beside them.I got the program information from digiguide.

Friday 31st May 11.30am-14.50pm World Cup Live
Friday 31st May 19.00pm-20.05pm Today at the World Cup.

Its not looking good and the BBC are not showing the first game. So the BBC/ITV share coverage which means i will not see all the games as i took down my terristeral aerial beacuse of the better TV reception on SKY and i never got the BBC ITV etc where i live.

Where is mailbag when you need it i think a call to the star maybe needed.

irishgeo

Below a copy of the email sent to the irish times probarly too late to make tomorrows paper but maybe mondays or its sunday paper.

Following the uploading of the RTE programme data for the SKY service for
the next week. It showed blanks in the times where the World Cup coverage is
on. This has happened before in regards to the GAA coverage. Phone calls to
RTE say it will be shown but i have emailed them and no reply has been
returned i accept that the email may have been late getting their before
they closed for the weekend.

I strongly disagree with the way RTE have dealt with programming issues such
going on SKY.They are supposed mirror what is shown on the normal serivce
according to contracts on the BCI website but they have failed twice in this
regard. The GAA and now the World Cup.


I got rid of my normal aerial because of the better picture on SKY Digitial
but this has proven to be a bad idea. I know am going to miss the world cup
coverage and have to watch it on BBC which is not showing all the matches.

More information can be got here.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52791

Looking forward to your reply.

Mossy Monk

Originally posted by irishgeo
i took down my terristeral aerial

you'd better put it back up pronto. the Sky magazine also says the World Cup will be shown on BBC1 + 2 and Network 2.
maybe RTÉ's technical staff are actually going to go on strike

Charles Slane

Irishgeo wrote -

"I strongly disagree with the way RTE have dealt with programming issues such
going on SKY.They are supposed mirror what is shown on the normal serivce
according to contracts on the BCI website but they have failed twice in this"

While I agree that the above is the case, do you really want to draw attention to it and force the BCI to withdraw RTE's licence to broadcast on Sky Digital ??

I don't know about the rest of you, but I'd prefer to have an almost complete service on Sky than none at all.

I'm sure that RTE are trying to sort out the satellite rights for these programmes - give them some time.

Ozzie

I guarantee that the WC will be on N2 on Digital Sat!!!

Oz;)

Eron

How stupid would they be to NOT show it? What programs (apart from porn) would they get better reception for than the WORLD CUP? RTE are a pack of idiots, but I think there money homing devices might pick-up on the world cup, dont you?

Eron

Tarabuses

Strange that the EPG shows "no listings available" for Network 2 next Saturday morning?

redabbey

We have to complain to RTE about this e-mail worldcup@rte.ie It is not good enough that we should be short-changed again and given second rate treatment

Genghis

I heard some interesting stats re: the World Cup and RTE today. For each 30 second ad slot before, during and after an Irish game, RTE nets €20,000. That equates to some €500,000 per game for at least 3 games (assuming a good opening performance by the Irish vs Cameroon).

These rates are the highest RTE have ever charged for ads. It therefore seems strange that RTE are not going to guarantee a maximum audience in return for these revenues.

Ozzie

I have just E-mailed RTE. I urge everyone to do the same. I pointred out to them that TV3 could show the Champions League on Sky, so whats the difference withe the WC. Surely they're dealing with the came type of people.

I still think we will get to see it!

Oz

Mountjoy Mugger

I think you're jumping the gun here, lads. Just because the listing for it isn't on the EPG means sweet d*mn all.
Who has actually said it's not going to be on? Writing letters to papers on assumptions is a bit daft, to be honest.

arkles

the epg listings show "world cup live" on net 2 this day week (next monday), if u hit the i button it gives the games that will be shown, there are no listings for next weekend.

irishgeo

I have got this reply today.

Kevin
I have been told that the RTE coverage of the World Cup will be shown on SKY Digital.

Regards
Bernie Pope

Kevin Mc Neela wrote:

Will coverage of RTE be shown on the Sky digital platform. I heard a rumour that it will be blocked. If it will be blocked i find this disapointing as i have pulled my terristal aerial down beacuse of the better picture via SKY. Hope you can clear this up.Thanks

Culchie Boy

Good man arkles, it is going to be on now i'd say fingers crossed. On net 2 on sunday it says no listings availble but that is on for a really long time. i presume it is a technical error. Good job i spotted this as i was on the verge of mounting a 30ft aerial to try and recieve it as my terestrial reception is crap.

Thanks,

Regards Culchie Boy.

Mountjoy Mugger

Maybe this thread can now be locked as it was just a scare, with nothing of substance.

Ozzie

OK so it was a scare. I thought as much. However, we were all correct to go mad with the e-mails, etc. Let RTE know we're on their case! The situation with the GAA on Sky is ridiculous. We all(should) pay licence fees and watch their ads... and pay their wages.

Keep on their back, thats what I say!!!

Oz.

Mossy Monk

i agree. keep at them about the GAA and send the GAA some emails too

carrolls

Officially RTE will be showing the World Cup on Network 2 Digital.

ozsat

Originally posted by carrolls
There is no such thing as *terrestrial* rights when buying broadcast material.
There is only two criteria that determine the price of broadcast material.
1: The particular territory, and
2: The number of times the item is broadcast in that territory.

Three Sky channels had two version operating in the UK - one for satellite (Sky Digital) and the other for terrestrial (ITV Digital).

The reason is that Sky had rights to some programmes for satellite transmission only and had to broadcast alternate programmes terrestrially.

Also, ITV1 carried info on Sky EPG that there were unable to show Formula One on satellite - as they only had the terrestrial rights. A new deal was signed two days before the fist Grand Prix.

irishgeo

Hre eis 2 updates. First one is on a question aksed about the blocking of GAA coverage and any plans for extra digital services at RTE.

The second email is from Kay at RTE press office regarding World Cup Coverage.

Kevin
Negotiations are ongoing to clear the right to show the GAA matches ... no idea when this will be sorted. Don't know about text at present ....

Regards
Bernie


Kevin McNeela wrote:

Thanks for the update. And is the GAA been blocked likely to be sorted out soon. RTE plan any new features on SKY Digital like new channels or digital teletext or anything like that.

**********
Kevin
In response to your email. I have pleasure in letting you know that RTÉ
will be transmitting the World Cup on Sky digital.

Kind regards

Kay
RTÉ Press and Information Office

johnc

I went to watch Cork/Waterford hurling and it wasn't there !

Are all the games going to be missing from SKY, or is this a temporary thing?


:mad:

carrolls

Three Sky channels had two version operating in the UK - one for satellite (Sky Digital) and the other for terrestrial (ITV Digital).

That doesn't mean they have payed any more or less for the programmes.
It's just to be able to target their audience in that territory more efficiently, so that they can get the maximum gain from the programmes that they have purchased.
In Formula One's case, two completely different products were sold. The 3 day Interactive PPV product, and the bare bones live coverage product.
With Digital TV, 'terrestial rights' mean nothing these days any more, now they can target a particular territory on Satellite.
TV companies pay per head of population these days.

ozsat

The terrestrial rights issue was active right up until the death of ITV Digital less than one month ago. It was often stated by both ITV Digital and Sky that it was down to the fact that 'terrestrial' rights were not available.

The F1 deal with ITV was confirmed by Sky and ITV as having nothing to do with the multi-screen coverage available on Sky Box Office.

It was confirmed by ITV that it was down to the fact that they only had the terrestrial rights and had to negotiate and amendment to include satellite rights.

Today agreements are geared up for all rights - but contracts are still in place that include or exclude certain platforms.

Last football season, Sky made it clear that they had purchased the satellite tv rights for some football matches - and so these matches had to be shown on their satellite exclusive channels.

swoofer

Look at this link.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52791

gbcullen

ozsat

And if RTE is unable to show GAA programming - and RTE on satellite is restricted to RoI only.

Then what rights is it that RTE have that only allows terrestrial transmission coverage?

DMC

Admin time!

Thread of johnc's called Rte, merged with this thread.

And I have changed the name of the thread too, to reflect the news that, after all, RTÉ are showing the World Cup on Sky Digital.

guest

Originally posted by carrolls
There is no such thing as *terrestrial* rights when buying broadcast material.
There is only two criteria that determine the price of broadcast material.
1: The particular territory, and
2: The number of times the item is broadcast in that territory.

Got to disagree with you there mate.
Absolutely there are satellite and terrestrial rights.
How do you think the BBC gets to screen the Simpsons at the same time as Sky One (until C4 bought up the rights to both). Ditto for Friends and a host of other programmes.
Terrestrial rights and satellite/pay tv rights are 2 very different things and can be purchased seperately.

SRB

There is no such thing as *terrestrial* rights when buying broadcast material.
There is only two criteria that determine the price of broadcast material.
1: The particular territory, and
2: The number of times the item is broadcast in that territory.

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So, can you explain the encryption of ARD/ZDF World Cup coverage on Digi Sat while it's broadcasting in the clear on Analogue ?

Mossy Monk

but don't ARD and ZDF have dedicated world cup channels broadcasting FTA in digital

SRB

Nope, they are encrypted - before the matches there is an apology caption on the channels explaining that due to rights issues they can't show the matches FTA on digi sat, but that the Analogue channels are not encrypted.

Mossy Monk

on 1 of the channels text services it mentions that all is needed is a FTA digital receiver to watch both digital only World Cup services. why would they encrypt 2 channels after they launch them to be viewed exclusively FTA

SRB

Donno, I'm only going by what it says on the on-screen "apology captions", they encrypt just before the WM2002 programmes start.
I've noticed digi RAI 1 on Astra encrypts sometimes too, though RAI 1 on Hotbird doesn't...