JVM not goin to be supplied with XP!

azezil

http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-6606742.html?tag=mn_hd

Microsoft’s official comment on this is that it was done for “business reasons,” but it doesn’t take a law degree to see that this is retaliation for the 1997 lawsuit Sun filed against Microsoft.

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Hobbes

Old news (see programming board). Basically it's just a download to get Java support in much the same way Flash/QT/RA downloads work.

Enygma

See it as a good thing, the JVM changes quite regularly so it's most likely that more people will have the latest version at any given time.

On the other hand, applets are generally unwelcome "features" in webpages so it's no harm they're gone. Java's real strength is on the server.

dahamsta

I doubt it's "retaliation" at all. Yes, Microsoft are petty but they're not stupid. They want to push people into using C#, so it *is* a business decision.

99% of Java applets bite anyway, so good riddance to bad rubbish.

adam

Hobbes

Well probably the reason that 99% of Java programs bite is because MS have such a dated JVM which doesn't have a fraction of the features of say 1.3 or 1.4. It is also a lot lot slower. So most peoples experience of Java is MS IE.

However as servlets go and Java applications it is a pretty sweet language and fast. Take JEXT for example, you wouldn't think it was written in Java.

JustHalf

Well, as far as I can recall, if they were going to put anything like that in it, it would had to have been "MVM" or "Microsoft Virtual Machine"... because it wasn't strictly Java. Sun and them have been at that for a while.