Rock Is Dead - Long Live Rock!!

Maybe I'm completely off track here but heres something I reckon and I was wondering if ne1 agreed:

Rock seemed to die around 5 years ago, there just wasn't the same amount of people into the scene anymore. Recently there seems to have been a resurgence in interest but in a different way then it used to be. People are more into listening to Rock in there gaffs and being into the scene but still going out to 'Dance' clubs on the weekend. Has Rock achieved some kinda citch (how do you spell that word?) value or some retro styling where it is cool to be into Rock (Look at me, I have interest in real music) but not to be solely into it (no leather trousers and long hair) because thats just not 'trendy'.

It may be that I'm sad and old saying that things aren't the way they were and newbie Rockers don't know coz they 'Weren't there'. Who knows? All I really know is that every person I meet these days all went to Fibbers years ago for at least 6 years!

-ADREN-

Hey ya psIRE,

Ehh ok your older then me and all that and you proly "were there" unlike me... But I have to be honest I listen to rock because its the music I like, not ****ing Limp Bizket and those pop ****ers (excuse the language, its just me normaly) But I know from just listening to old rock, like the Diret sraights, Eric clapton, Led Zepplin, Jemi Hendricks, Rolling stones, and so on alot to mention at that, that perhaps the true rock is dead. However, things move on, like time so musics going that way too I suppose, the thing is I would say bands like Nirvana, and the smashing pumpkins (god I love them dont get me rong, wan billy) may have killed that raw rock, and brought in the more (some people hate when I use this term) "alt rock" and I think this is what we are seeing alot more of, with the development from the likes of Radio head, and currently my favourite band Muse, we are seeing a new sort of "rock". These new types of rock though have originated from the old rock + other influances like solo singers and foreign music, you also have the likes of the hives and the strokes with a more influencial tend towards old retro rock. I think the main question we have to ask our selves why the hell there are no bands at all that play the old "rock", is it because of recording technology with all there bits and bobs taking away from the music, or do the modern artists feel they need difference, originality, mostly I would say though its the recording dealers, and producers, but thats the way it is, and they ways its going to be, I love rock, cus I like it, not cus its "trendy" or somthing. I wqsnt there for the real rock but im here now so what I like in this new rock I will take to and get influenced and that be that.

Zaphod B

IMO rock is not dead, it's just not trendy. Good rock is honest and therefore can't hope to succeed in terms of marketing. "Real" rock is alive but mostly in the hands of those who have been doing it for a long time. The sound of raw unadulterated rock just isn't popular at the moment, which is why popular rap-metal is of the Bendy Cookie (limp bizkit) style and popular punk is overproduced pop-punk along the lines of Blink 182. The word is "Conform".:(

Some of the good rock bands will use this move towards slicker production and a more pop-like aesthetic to their advantage, for example Bad Religion are becoming noticeably more produced but are doing so without losing integrity and best of luck to them. Other bands will carry on as before and for a few years may sadly just be rocking to a small dedicated audience.

Rock never dies... it just hibernates :cool:

Karl Hungus

Please excuse, but I'm rather pissed.
Sorry for any spelling mistakes that may come along in this thread.

The way I think of it is...
There's music, then there's pop.
And anyu real music is never popular at all.
There are artists, and there are businessmen.
And a distinctive line can be drawn between the two.

I'd say that "Rock" in a watered down form, has been popular for a while recently.

Zaphod B

I can't say the line is that clear, after all the Beatles were pop... but after they diversified out of singing the basic i-love-you-you-love-me type stuff I'd say they were undoubtedly rock at points, and they created some of the best music ever. I can't really dismiss them just because they were popular. The Who were also popular, again I'm not ready to ignore them because of any 'pop' credentials.

"Real" music clearly is popular at times, after all Jimi Hendrix did not die a poor man with no one listening to him, and punk clearly affected many people or it's effects would not still be felt today. "Real" music is just not popular in recent years as the music BUSINESS (you're right to make the distinction) is concentrating purely on ultra-commercialised kiddy pop. It's the "accepted" face of music.

I have no doubt that there are people out there with the desire to make real music (I am one of them, but with the slight handicap of being utterly talentless musically ). It's just a question of when people are willing to listen to that music on its own merits rather than the trend or what MTV wants to show :rolleyes:

ThrAx

Ya Kenny! Yu0 rock man! Fukin puer poerty man!

Zaphod B

Thrax... have you been drinking!? and whats this? Lipstick!?
*SLAP*

Karl Hungus

hahah!

Chances are, I'll delete all my posts and deny any of this happened!

But, I don't mean to say that anything that is popular is therefor crap.
But, what was true in the 60's is not nessiceraly true now.

I mean, we had the Beatles, the doors, and all such bands that were proper artists, and damn well BRILLIANT!
I mean more of "Nowadays" it's more that pop is just business.

Zaphod B

Aye If Thrax can stop drinking the spirits there we can use em to burn Westlife, Will Young, Pete Waterman and all their accomplices... Who says mob justice is wrong?

ThrAx

CEASE YOUR FLATULENT WINDS AND HEAR MY MIND NUMBING EXPULSIONS OF WICKED NOISE! GRRR!! CHEESE!!!

Zaphod B

DECIST THESE VAPID PRATTLINGS THRAX, PUSILLANIMOUS IMBECILE! THY EGREGIOUS ODOUR OFFENDS MY RESPIRATION!

Alcohol in controlled quantities improves vocab tenfold

ThrAx

I AM TESTICLES!! GOD OF RASH COVERED SCROTUMS! STARE DEEP INTO THE STINKING ABYSS OF MY INDIVIDUALLY WRAPPED SLICES!!! HOLY WAX! CHECK OUT MY ARMPITS!!!

Karl Hungus

Enough of that now, or I might have to hit this thread with my moderating stick.

Giblet

I think the last rock band that held any interest to me were GNR, and I mean rock in the classic sense (Led Zep, Deep Purple et al)
All these variations of rock have nothing on the Original masters.
I have a feeling that Old Skool Rock might return someday. Maybe I will have to do something about it myself:)

scuzzy

Rock isn't dead, well at least not in this country. Just look at the success of Ozzfest, Slane and Witnness, all of which are primarily rock events.

Giblet

Yeah Stereophonics really know how to "rock" the "house"

ThrAx

Ozzfest was deadly

lordsippa

Metal is the current in thing, but rock isn't dead and is slowly coming back. Look at the 80's - Metal followed by glam followed by rock. It was insane. and all it took were bands like the Crue and GNR to change it all.

Remember, you can't kill rock n' roll.

Dustaz

Originally posted by lordsippa


Remember, you can't kill rock n' roll.

Altho if its crue your talking about, sometimes we wish you could kill it

Rock music will always be around for gods sake. It will always be popular. It will always evolve.

Sorry to correct angelwhore, but

And anyu real music is never popular at all.
There are artists, and there are businessmen.
And a distinctive line can be drawn between the two.

Thats just plain wrong. Its possible to be both. Its much rarer than either/or but theres plenty of examples. U2 would be a prime example. They are a 'true' rock band who happen to be enourmously popular and also are fairly astute businessmen. Look at the way they have evolved over the years. Remember that R.E.M. were considered 'alt rock' before nirvana were a thought in cobains head.
Everything changes..... hmm, good name for an album that.

beaver

The way I think of it is...
There's music, then there's pop.
And anyu real music is never popular at all.
There are artists, and there are businessmen.
And a distinctive line can be drawn between the two.

Nonsense. Many, many rock songs are extremely popular and have come from bands who by no means sold out.

Consider: The Ace Of Spades, Sunshine Of Your Love, Foxy Lady, Break On Through, Paranoid, God Save The Queen and so on and so forth ad infinitum...

Karl Hungus

That's right! Both of you ignore the post I had after that...

Anyway, I was pretty drunk when I said that.

So, to clarify, I meant pop as in Westlife, and such so called music.
Not to say that anything popular is crap!
Even though I might have kinda said that...

Anyway, please disregard.