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NUIs' Matriculation Requirements

  • 26-06-2002 6:28pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,114 ✭✭✭


    How do people feel with regard to the Entrance requirement of Irish for NUIs?

    Surely this has to be Discriminatory as it only applies to People who were born in Ireland. Non-Nationals are exempt from this.

    I wonder what people think?

    Also I am thinking of submitting a Petition to the EU http://www.europarl.eu.int/petition/help_en.htm on this matter by reading the aforementioned web page do you think this would fall under their auspices. I think it falls under the heading non-discrimination on the basis of nationality.


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,608 ✭✭✭✭sceptre


    I've felt for quite a long time that it was just plain silly.

    And I've nothing against Irish obviously.

    it's just I've felt the approach adopted by UL and DCU (where they insist on EITHER English or Irish) makes more sense in showing a basic ability to communicate as part of the course.

    Irish is no longer compulsory for the Leaving Cert. With the matriculation requirements of the NUI though, for most people it still effectively is.

    Personally unless the course actually requires Irish to be used I'd drop it as a requirement. In the meantime, the approach adopted by the two newer unis makes more sense to me.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,007 ✭✭✭Moriarty


    Trinity do not require Irish either. Iirc english and a second language (be it irish, french, german etc.. it doesnt matter) along with a pass in maths are the matriculation requirements for them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,314 ✭✭✭Nietzschean


    How do people feel with regard to the Entrance requirement of Irish for NUIs?

    well erm i think its absolutely stupid, teaching the language should be optional once one reaches second level.Can we remove the language requirements alltogether for getting into college? twould ****ing suit me down to the ground....can't do any of em.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭Mills


    I'm more concerned about the requirement of a third language tbh, they should accept Irish OR a european language IMO....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,314 ✭✭✭Nietzschean


    I'm more concerned about the requirement of a third language tbh, they should accept Irish OR a european language IMO....
    thankfully some colleges do, thats why i be going to college next year :)


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,483 ✭✭✭✭daveirl


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 224 ✭✭SYL


    UCD told me to pi$$ off about 3 years ago because I wanted to do a course there but didn't have irish. No way around it, no back door or nothing. Thank the lords that Trinity weren't like that too.
    I agree with what sceptre says though about "it's just I've felt the approach adopted by UL and DCU makes more sense in showing a basic ability to communicate as part of the course" - Being able to communicate is the important thing here.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,846 ✭✭✭✭eth0_


    Although this doesn't really affect me as I have an exception from Irish certificate, I do agree it's a ridiculous rule. Obviously you should need a good standard of Irish if you're doing a course through Irish, but for Gods sake, it's 2002 and the Irish language is pretty much dying out, I know when I was at school people only even aimed to pass it, not do well in it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Well it's all swings and roundabouts really. There's no problem with having Irish compulsory, let me tell you why.......

    If you're exempt from Irish in school, then you're exempt from having to have Irish in college. So if you're not exempt, then you'll have to do Irish anyway, and you fail your LC if you don't pass (or does that rule still apply?). TBH, instead of complaining about universities demanding it, it would be more worthwhile trying to have it removed as compulsory from the Senior cycle. Then the NUI's would remove it as an entry requirement. Besides, (and not meaning to offend anyone here) getting a D in pass Irish is far from difficult, a tiny bit of work and anyone can get it.

    I agree with Mills point - that would be perfect. I wouldn't have bothered with french in my LC if that rule applied, and the same would go for many others who just scraped their 3rd language exam. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,446 ✭✭✭✭amp


    Thanks Seamus. Crossposting is bad. Naughty Kapper. Moved from Humanities to Leaving cert.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Threads Merged. Actually I reckon it belongs more in College. (A grey area, but plenty of college heads don't come in here). Moved. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 14,483 ✭✭✭✭daveirl


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,148 ✭✭✭✭Raskolnikov


    Concerning the whole Irish debate i think that some reform is needed but not that kind that you are thinking. The current system for teaching Irish has proved to be disasterous. I don't claim to have any solutions but if someone can come out off school after 12-14 years without knowing Irish there must definetly be something wrong with the system.

    I think that the Dept of Ed really need to overhaul the way Irish is taught and if the present situation continues then it should consider making allowances for those who don't want to do Irish
    Originally posted by daveirl


    The change we need to make in our system is make minimum requirements more important like A-Levels in the UK.

    eg. Engineering courses should be conditional solely on Maths, Physics

    This would be a terrible thing to do for a number of reasons.

    1. The Leaving is supposed to provide an all-round education so it can help the student decide what area they might want to pursue in college. This means that students don't have to decide what area they want to move into at a young age (Britain's system).

    2. If you do the leaving and get the points almost every course is open to you. If you were to do engineering/science subjects you'd be confined to engineering/science courses.

    3. If people stopped learning languages at second level than people would be going into college with serious literacy problems (it's a problem in Ireland but less so when compared to the US or UK)

    I don't see why you guys are complaining , it may have been tough but you got through it didn't you?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,148 ✭✭✭✭Raskolnikov


    Concerning the whole Irish debate i think that some reform is needed but not that kind that you are thinking. The current system for teaching Irish has proved to be disasterous. I don't claim to have any solutions but if someone can come out off school after 12-14 years without knowing Irish there must definetly be something wrong with the system.

    I think that the Dept of Ed really need to overhaul the way Irish is taught and if the present situation continues then it should consider making allowances for those who don't want to do Irish
    Originally posted by daveirl


    The change we need to make in our system is make minimum requirements more important like A-Levels in the UK.

    eg. Engineering courses should be conditional solely on Maths, Physics

    This would be a terrible thing to do for a number of reasons.

    1. The Leaving is supposed to provide an all-round education so it can help the student decide what area they might want to pursue in college. This means that students don't have to decide what area they want to move into at a young age (Britain's system).

    2. If you do the leaving and get the points almost every course is open to you. If you were to do engineering/science subjects you'd be confined to engineering/science courses.

    3. If people stopped learning languages at second level than people would be going into college with serious literacy problems (it's a problem in Ireland but less so when compared to the US or UK)

    I don't see why you guys are complaining , it may have been tough but you got through it didn't you?


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