Dimebag Darrell vs. Kirk Hammett

bigbadcon

http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=KMhE_fzn-BM&search=dimebag%20darrel

cournioni

That is some technique for that age! But I don't think that video does Dimebag justice for what a great musician he was. He wasn't all about doing a big massive solo for everyone to go oh wow like he is in that video there. Think of all the great solo's he has done like 10's, Floods, Shattered, Cemetery Gates, Cowboys From Hell etc.

I can't praise him enough for some of the music he's given me.

merlinsmerryman

That's a pretty awesome video.

Flipflip

Anyone who has any doubts as to who is bettter simply needs to listen to the song Floods by pantera in full.

Possibly one of the most beautiful guitar pieces ever written, especially that last outro thing. ****ing sex it is!

bigbadcon

PORNAPSTER wrote:

He wasn't all about doing a big massive solo for everyone to go oh wow like he is in that video there. Think of all the great solo's he has done like 10's, Floods, Shattered, Cemetery Gates, Cowboys From Hell etc..

Would definitely agree.Although i voted for Dimebag I have to say Metallica are my favourite band and Kirk has his fair share of amazing solos.actually he's too many to mention come to think of it.was really let down with everything Kirk and Metallica did after and including Load.

Also Kirks live performances are only average in my opinion compared to Dimebag.His live solos are very rough compared to the recorded versions

sham69

I'm sorry maybe i missed something here?
Dimebag best guitarist?
Don't think so, i wouldnt put him in the top 100 or Kirk Hammet for that matter.
Rory gallagher was a class act, Gary Moore, Eddie Van Halen, Joe Satriani (gave hammet lessons aswell as a dozen other metal guitarists i could mention). Angus Young is ****. Just my opinion and no disrespect intended to dimebag, i like his solo's but i just couldnt include him in my all time list....

Karl Hungus

sham69 wrote:

I'm sorry maybe i missed something here?
Dimebag best guitarist?
Don't think so, i wouldnt put him in the top 100 or Kirk Hammet for that matter.
Rory gallagher was a class act, Gary Moore, Eddie Van Halen, Joe Satriani (gave hammet lessons aswell as a dozen other metal guitarists i could mention). Angus Young is ****. Just my opinion and no disrespect intended to dimebag, i like his solo's but i just couldnt include him in my all time list....

This isn't an all time list though, this is Dimebag Vs. Kirk, so it doesn't whether you'd put either of them anywhere in any list.

BossArky

Didn't realise how great Dimebag was until I saw the video on that link above. Wow. What age did he start playing guitar?

Beekay

BossArky wrote:

Didn't realise how great Dimebag was until I saw the video on that link above. Wow. What age did he start playing guitar?

i think it was 10 or 11.His Dad was a producer for country and western musicians,so thats how he got involved with music

Con_316

Kirk hammet does lots of "nice" memorable solos which appeal to lots of people but Dime was f*ckin unreal, i mean just listen to the whole 101 proof album, or any album and if you're into playing metal guitar as well as just hearin it then surely you'll have to agree that dime was a far better guitarist from a technical point of view as well as playin some of the most intense, most vicious stuff ever.:)

iceworm

pantera are so much better live than metallica. and why cause of dimebag and philip ansmelo

MsMolko

Vegeta wrote:

Dime could play eruption at 16! He will be truly missed.

A 13 year old I know can play Eruption; tapping and all.
Back on topic...I vote Dimebag. Again.

cournioni

Just thought I would post this up...

http://www.youtube.com/w/PanterA---Floods?v=qOikXyCbDdI&search=Pantera%20%2B%20Floods

What a beautiful piece of guitar work. In my opinion, no one can match that.

smackbunnybaby

hammett - mainly because i listened to more metallica and wanted to play them more

Pyr0

PORNAPSTER wrote:

Just thought I would post this up...

http://www.youtube.com/w/PanterA---Floods?v=qOikXyCbDdI&search=Pantera%20%2B%20Floods

What a beautiful piece of guitar work. In my opinion, no one can match that.

Gives me shivers when I listen to it. Amazing.

LightofDarkness

Err... nothing particularly impressive in that video unless you haven't heard much guitar before...

But to be honest, I dislike them both. They are both MASSIVELY (and I mean MA-HOO-SIVE-****IN-LY) over rated. Technically, Dime was the better player, because even though Kirk could sweep pick and stuff his technique wasn't quite as rigid as Dime's.

cournioni

LightofDarkness wrote:

Err... nothing particularly impressive in that video unless you haven't heard much guitar before...

Does he have to do a massive shred/sweep/tap solo to impress you?

Con_316

LightofDarkness wrote:

Err... nothing particularly impressive in that video unless you haven't heard much guitar before...

But to be honest, I dislike them both. They are both MASSIVELY (and I mean MA-HOO-SIVE-****IN-LY) over rated. Technically, Dime was the better player, because even though Kirk could sweep pick and stuff his technique wasn't quite as rigid as Dime's.

Ah get out of it!!
You try be as good as dime and and influence metal as much and we'll see how easy it is for you, and for these better guitarists you have secretly lined up. It's not about being over complicated or flashy, with dime it wwas his energy, conviction, and the sheer aggression he put into playing.
Panteras gigs were unreal, no band has come close to getting people going as well or giving the fans such a great show while still remembering to play the most savage music ever. Just because some band has this flashy show off smart ass guitarist that just says oh look im great doesnt make it good, neither does having every motherfu*kin song ranting on about satan or sacrifices or how **** the world is.

dimerocks

wow, i have never seen floods live. i love the outro to that song. my favorite solo also.

LightofDarkness

Con, your post was blatant fanboy-ism. Not even worth regarding, as you won't even allow the slightest difference of opinion because you already ahve your mind completely made up.

And no, I don't need to hear sweeps and shreds to be impressed, I do however need to hear something interesting and perhaps new. As for guitarists who I believe are better than Dimebag, I could name a tonne. Michael Romeo, Jason Becker, Justin King, Michael Hedges, Muhammed Suicmez, Alexi Laiho, Chris Impellitteri, Micheal Amott (for Carcass, not AE), Chuck Schuldiner, Paul Masvidal, Jay Ceravolo (whose style Dime somewhat "borrowed" after "Glamtera").... I could go on for a while.

While he did keep the guitar solo alive during the nu metal years, nothing he's ever done has particularly impressed me, bar one or two things off CFH, which is the only Pantera album I listen to (not to mention the style was ripped right off from Exhorder, that's right, I said it).

Metaleer

I agree with LoD. Sure, his playing may have been influential and some of his solos were marginally impressive (this is a Pantera fan), he's WAYYYY overrated. As for his tone, well, I just loved it.

Kirk Hammet...well, the guy can shred alright, he's been a lot more influential than Dimebag could have ever been, and he didn't steal much **** from other guitarists, either.

Jack Frost, Dave Murray, David T. Chastain, Chuck, KK. Downing/Glen Tipton, Steve Vai, Michael Angelo, Kirk Hammet, Dave Mustaine, Sam Totman (not Herman Li), Jerry Cantrell, Tro Stetina...> Dimebag.

dimerocks

LightofDarkness wrote:

While he did keep the guitar solo alive during the nu metal years, nothing he's ever done has particularly impressed me, bar one or two things off CFH, which is the only Pantera album I listen to (not to mention the style was ripped right off from Exhorder, that's right, I said it).

have you been on the MR.T versus everything website??can i just say that nothing on guitar after van halen was very original; for a long time. dime changed that and brough his style of playing int the limelight. it wasnt all about fretwanking. you could give out about his tone maybe but apart from that he is one of the most alround guitar players in history. personaly i dont mind the glam stuff but just listen to the great southern and you see its more than just the a quality solo. ****e rant but i felt id put in my piece.

Beer is Life

Metaleer wrote:

...Michael Angelo...

That has completely nullified your post.

cournioni

LightofDarkness wrote:

And no, I don't need to hear sweeps and shreds to be impressed, I do however need to hear something interesting and perhaps new. As for guitarists who I believe are better than Dimebag, I could name a tonne. Michael Romeo, Jason Becker, Justin King, Michael Hedges, Muhammed Suicmez, Alexi Laiho, Chris Impellitteri, Micheal Amott (for Carcass, not AE), Chuck Schuldiner, Paul Masvidal, Jay Ceravolo (whose style Dime somewhat "borrowed" after "Glamtera").... I could go on for a while.

Interesting choice of guitarists. Very neo-classical, it doesn't really interest me that much to be honest. Too many rules and very predictable.

Dimebag was completely different to those guitarists, yes he was a similar guitarist to Jay Ceravolo but how similar? Have you ever actually heard "Glamtera"? I have Metal Magic, I Am The Night and Power Metal and I am under the impression that the only things Pantera had changed for CFH was the vocal style, lyrics and general aggression. In fact, if I was going to compare Dimebag to anyone it would be Glenn Tipton or Tony Iommi.

Dimebag certainly hasn't changed very much guitar-wise since the glam days of Pantera apart from the fact that he is less prone to do a big show off solo (unlike Michael Romeo, Alexi Laiho and co.).

cournioni

Metaleer wrote:

Kirk Hammet...well, the guy can shred alright, he's been a lot more influential than Dimebag could have ever been, and he didn't steal much **** from other guitarists, either.

*coughmustainecough*

El_mariachi

i love metallica, i can stand pantera but kirk hammett is one of the worse guitarists on the metal scene, he uses the same scales, DOES NOT WRITE 99% OF METALLICA SONGS and makes lots of mistakes playing live and it took him over 40 recordings to get the one solo correct, so how can you say he's better than dimebag? Know to be honest dimebags on another level, hammett plays fast blues riffs, dimebag kicks ass, i've seen vids of him moshing while playing cowboys form hell solo, and he made bout 2 mistakes, compared with hammett 13 on one in live **** bunge and purge,watch the dvd and if u play guitar listen carefully to him kirk makes ****loads of mistakes, now i will not stand by and see him compared to the greatness of Dimebag, kirks good but he ain't that good!!

child of bodom

Has to be dimebag he was what made pantera and will be missed. i love both pantera and metallica, they are what got me into metal so i have to say kirk is good but doesn't compare to dimebag.

El_mariachi

hammett CANNOT shred, people wake up!!

Karl Hungus

El_mariachi wrote:

hammett CANNOT shred, people wake up!!

There's more to guitar playing than shredding.

pbsuxok1znja4r

El_mariachi wrote:

i love metallica, i can stand pantera but kirk hammett is one of the worse guitarists on the metal scene, he uses the same scales, DOES NOT WRITE 99% OF METALLICA SONGS and makes lots of mistakes playing live and it took him over 40 recordings to get the one solo correct, so how can you say he's better than dimebag? Know to be honest dimebags on another level, hammett plays fast blues riffs, dimebag kicks ass, i've seen vids of him moshing while playing cowboys form hell solo, and he made bout 2 mistakes, compared with hammett 13 on one in live **** bunge and purge,watch the dvd and if u play guitar listen carefully to him kirk makes ****loads of mistakes, now i will not stand by and see him compared to the greatness of Dimebag, kirks good but he ain't that good!!

Okay, with regard to Kirk using "the same scales" - that's not true. Over the years, Kirk's made damn good use of melodic, harmonic minors and modes of melodic and harmonic minors. Go listen to The Thing That Should Not Be. I mean, who else solos with the Super-locrian mode? :v: (j/k, I'm sure many do.)
Okay, so he uses pentatonics a lot, but they are the foundation of rock music, after all.

Mistakes? So what if it doesn't sound like on the record? Kirk regularly varies it up a bit when playing live, this by no means qualifies as a "mistake". I'd feel a bit cheated if I paid money for a gig where every note played was exactly replicated from the record, TBH.
It took Kirk 40 attempts to nail a solo? First of all I suspect that is an exaggeration, and second of all, I personally would commend him for his perseverance and for at least attempting to play outside of his own current ability. IMO, the finished product, when "nailed", is what counts, regardless of how many attempts it took to produce. And FYI, Dimebag did not have better technique than Kirk, speaking from a classical point of view. Not that it really matters.

How can someone say Kirk's better, you ask? Like this: Hammett is a better guitarist, not because he can play faster, or while moshing, or precisely replicate recorded solos (which I'm sure he could easily do if he was foolish enough to try), but because his solos, when heard, are simply more emotive, impressive, and generally more pleasurable to listen to.

And yes, you are a bit sad for counting the number of 'mistakes' on a live DVD.