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Is the USA a rogue State?
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15-08-2002 5:15pmI've picked up this:
If a rogue state is one that supports terrorism, disregards human rights, opposes the formation of an international criminal court, has no regard for what the rest of the world or even its allies think, discourages free trade with unfair trade subsidies, bombs civilians, manufacturers weapons of mass destruction and threatens to use them against their enemies, then America is the biggest rogue state of them all. In fact, the United States is both a terrorist state and a haven for terrorists. Here are some interesting facts.
The US is the only state in the world to go on record for having been condemned by the World Court for international terrorism (in Nicaragua).
More terrorists are given training and sanctuary in the United States than anywhere on earth. They include mass murderers, torturers, former and future tyrants and assorted international criminals. This is virtually unknown to the general public, thanks to the freest media on earth.
There is no terrorist sanctuary to compare with Florida. A former senior State Department official Bill Blum describes a typical Florida trial of three anti-Castro terrorists, who hijacked a plane to Miami at knifepoint. 'Even though the kidnapped pilot was brought back from Cuba to testify against the men,' he wrote, 'the defence simply told the jurors the man was lying, and the jury deliberated for less than an hour before acquitting the defendants.'
General Jose Guillermo Garcia has lived comfortably in Florida since the 1990s. He was head of El Salvador's military during the 1980s when death squads with ties to the army murdered thousands of people. General Prosper Avril, the Haitian dictator, liked to display the bloodied victims of his torture on television. When he was overthrown, he was flown to Florida by the US Government. Thiounn Prasith, Pol Pot's henchman and apologist at the United Nations, lives in New York. General Mansour Moharari, who ran the Shah of Iran's notorious prisons, is wanted in Iran, but untroubled in the United States.
Al-Qaeda's training camps in Afghanistan were kindergartens compared with the world's leading university of terrorism at Fort Benning in Georgia. Known until recently as the School of the Americas, it trained tyrants and some 60,000 Latin American special forces, paramilitaries and intelligence agents in the black arts of terrorism.
In 1993, the UN Truth Commission on El Salvador named the army officers who had committed the worst atrocities of the civil war; two-thirds of them had been trained at Fort Benning. In Chile, the school's graduates ran Pinochet's secret police and three principal concentration camps. In 1996, the US government was forced to release copies of the school's training manuals, which recommended blackmail, torture, execution and the arrest of witnesses' relatives.
In recent months, the Bush regime has torn up the Kyoto treaty, which would ease global warming, to which the United States is the greatest contributor.
It has threatened the use of nuclear weapons in 'pre-emptive' strikes (a threat echoed by Defence Minister Geoffrey Hoon).
It is preparing to invade another country to replace its leader with a more compliant thug, in order to seize control of the worlds second largest oil resource, on the pretext of destroying a mad dictators store of weapons of mass destruction without any evidence to support the allegations. In the meantime the Iraqi people who are never mentioned as if the whole country is Saddam Hussein, live under severe economic sanctions administered by Washington which are every bit as brutal as the dictator the people have no control over. According to American defence experts own estimates, an invasion will result in at least 10,000 civilian deaths, yet this is never mentioned by the drum beaters.
America has tried to destroy the creation of an international criminal court, and has vetoed a UN Security Council resolution calling on governments to observe international law.
It has further undermined the United Nations by blocking a UN investigation of the Israeli assault on a Palestinian refugee camp; and it has ordered the Palestinians to replace their elected leader with an American stooge.
America fully support, finance and arm a crypto-fascist regime in Israel brutally terrorising innocent Palestinians with collective punishment for the crimes of a few. Bush openly embraces hugs and shakes hands with a man described by a Belgium court as an indictable war criminal for the slaughter of hundreds, while thousands of innocent Palestinian families languish in the slums of the west bank under brutal military curfew, unable to get food to their children suffering malnutrition for fear of being shot.
At summit conferences in Canada and Indonesia, Bush's people have blocked hundreds of millions of dollars going to the most deprived people on earth, those without clean water and electricity.
These facts will no doubt beckon the slur of 'anti-Americanism', interestingly the Nazis also silenced argument and criticism with 'anti German' slurs. The similarities don't end there; like the Nazis, Americans are also intoxicated with fanatical nationalism, attend patriotic flag waving rallies singing patriotic songs, absorb themselves in self-adoring patriotism, and suffer from an absurd, unknowing sense of self-importance, a self-congratulatory smugness so surrealistically theatrical that they don't realise the extent to which it turns off the rest of the world.
Hitler knew he ruled a nation of cowards, and knew he had to spend the money to make the new war something cowards could fight and win. He decorated his troops with regalia to make them proud of themselves, further trapping them in their self-image. Knowing that it takes courage to kill the enemy face to face, Hitler spent vast sums of money on his wonder weapons, airplanes, submarines, ultra-long range artillery, the world's first cruise missile and the world's first guided missile, weapons that could be used to kill at a distance, so that those doing the killing need not have to face the reality of what they were doing.
The German people were lured into WW2 not because they were brave, but because they were cowards who wanted to be seen as brave, and found that shooting long range weapons at people they could not see took less courage than standing up to Hitler. Sent into battle by a false self-image of bravery, the Germans were dependent on their wonder-weapons. When the wonder-weapons stopped working, the Germans lost the war.
Americans today are like the cowardly obedient Germans of the 1930's, kept ignorant by the freest press in the world (who simply echo Washington's rhetoric rather than engage in investigative journalism and which would put any state run propaganda machine to shame), subservient to the system, entrapped by a false self-image. Falsely believing they are defending freedom and western values, American troops dress in regalia to make them proud of themselves and think they are brave, but in reality, are only capable of fighting wars by dropping weapons from aircraft flying high in the stratosphere, and launching long range cruise missiles from ships anchored safely out at sea.
The USA is a rogue terrorist superpower, only Americans brainwashed like the Germans of the 1930's, cannot comprehend the truth, or tolerate dissent. Carried away with a patriotic fantasy, most Americans are either blind or afraid to question the system for fear of being labelled 'anti-American' an 'enemy of the state', and a 'terrorist' by a patriotic culture which is so full of itself, it is incapable of self-criticism.
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Just a thought, is it true?0
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The USA has for decades been selective in its treatment of certain states and groups.Whereas Al Quaida are terrorists,groups fighting a cause in the interests of the USA,such as the anti communist rebels of Laos in the 70s,are freedom fighters.Iraq is an opressive state which opresses political opponents.So are Israel,Saudi Arabia and a few others that are seldom mentioned in white house press meetings.General Pinochet,Zaires Pres Mobuto,Indonesias Suharto,Saddam Hussein(he was well liked for his hatred of hardline Islam in the 80s,but fell out of favour for the attack on Kuwait and support for palestinian terrorists),and a host of other leaders implicated in disappearences and genocide were all on the CIA Christmas card list.The US criticises commies and hardline muslims who violate rights-leaders of economically useful countries are let off the hook.0
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The US is the only state in the world to go on record for having been condemned by the World Court for international terrorism (in Nicaragua).More terrorists are given training and sanctuary in the United States than anywhere on earth. They include mass murderers, torturers, former and future tyrants and assorted international criminals.This is virtually unknown to the general public, thanks to the freest media on earth.There is no terrorist sanctuary…arrest of witnesses’ relatives.There is no terrorist sanctuary to compare with Florida.A former senior State Department official Bill Blum describes a typical Florida trial of three anti-Castro terrorists, who hijacked a plane to Miami at knifepoint. 'Even though the kidnapped pilot was brought back from Cuba to testify against the men,' he wrote, 'the defence simply told the jurors the man was lying, and the jury deliberated for less than an hour before acquitting the defendants.'General Jose Guillermo Garcia has lived comfortably in Florida since the 1990s. He was head of El Salvador's military during the 1980s when death squads with ties to the army murdered thousands of people. General Prosper Avril, the Haitian dictator, liked to display the bloodied victims of his torture on television. When he was overthrown, he was flown to Florida by the US Government. Thiounn Prasith, Pol Pot's henchman and apologist at the United Nations, lives in New York. General Mansour Moharari, who ran the Shah of Iran's notorious prisons, is wanted in Iran, but untroubled in the United States.Al-Qaeda's training camps in Afghanistan were kindergartens compared with the world's leading university of terrorism at Fort Benning in Georgia. Known until recently as the School of the Americas, it trained tyrants and some 60,000 Latin American special forces, paramilitaries and intelligence agents in the black arts of terrorism.
In 1993, the UN Truth Commission on El Salvador named the army officers who had committed the worst atrocities of the civil war; two-thirds of them had been trained at Fort Benning. In Chile, the school's graduates ran Pinochet's secret police and three principal concentration camps. In 1996, the US government was forced to release copies of the school's training manuals, which recommended blackmail, torture, execution and the arrest of witnesses' relatives.In recent months, the Bush regime has torn up the Kyoto treaty, which would ease global warming, to which the United States is the greatest contributor.It has threatened the use of nuclear weapons in 'pre-emptive' strikes (a threat echoed by Defence Minister Geoffrey Hoon).It is preparing to invade another country to replace its leader with a more compliant thug……in order to seize control of the worlds second largest oil resource……on the pretext of destroying a mad dictators store of weapons of mass destruction without any evidence to support the allegations.In the meantime the Iraqi people who are never mentioned as if the whole country is Saddam Hussein, live under severe economic sanctions administered by Washington……which are every bit as brutal as the dictator the people have no control over.According to American defence experts own estimates, an invasion will result in at least 10,000 civilian deaths, yet this is never mentioned by the drum beaters.America has tried to destroy the creation of an international criminal court……and has vetoed a UN Security Council resolution calling on governments to observe international law.It has further undermined the United Nations by blocking a UN investigation of the Israeli assault on a Palestinian refugee camp……and it has ordered the Palestinians to replace their elected leader with an American stooge.America fully support, finance and arm a crypto-fascist regime in Israel……brutally terrorising innocent Palestinians with collective punishment for the crimes of a few.Bush openly embraces hugs and shakes hands with a man described by a Belgium court as an indictable war criminal for the slaughter of hundreds……while thousands of innocent Palestinian families languish in the slums of the west bank under brutal military curfew, unable to get food to their children suffering malnutrition for fear of being shot.At summit conferences in Canada and Indonesia, Bush's people have blocked hundreds of millions of dollars going to the most deprived people on earth, those without clean water and electricity.0 -
These facts will no doubt beckon the slur of 'anti-Americanism'……interestingly the Nazis also silenced argument and criticism with 'anti German' slurs.The similarities don't end there; like the Nazis, Americans are also intoxicated with fanatical nationalism, attend patriotic flag waving rallies singing patriotic songs, absorb themselves in self-adoring patriotism, and suffer from an absurd, unknowing sense of self-importance, a self-congratulatory smugness so surrealistically theatrical that they don't realise the extent to which it turns off the rest of the world.Hitler knew he ruled a nation of cowards and knew he had to spend the money to make the new war something cowards could fight and win.He decorated his troops with regalia to make them proud of themselves, further trapping them in their self-image.Knowing that it takes courage to kill the enemy face to face, Hitler spent vast sums of money on his wonder weapons, airplanes, submarines, ultra-long range artillery, the world's first cruise missile and the world's first guided missile, weapons that could be used to kill at a distance, so that those doing the killing need not have to face the reality of what they were doing.
The German people were lured into WW2 not because they were brave, but because they were cowards who wanted to be seen as brave, and found that shooting long range weapons at people they could not see took less courage than standing up to Hitler. Sent into battle by a false self-image of bravery, the Germans were dependent on their wonder-weapons. When the wonder-weapons stopped working, the Germans lost the war.Americans today are like the cowardly obedient Germans of the 1930's, kept ignorant by the freest press in the world (who simply echo Washington's rhetoric rather than engage in investigative journalism and which would put any state run propaganda machine to shame), subservient to the system, entrapped by a false self-image.Falsely believing they are defending freedom and western values, American troops dress in regalia to make them proud of themselves and think they are brave, but in reality, are only capable of fighting wars by dropping weapons from aircraft flying high in the stratosphere, and launching long range cruise missiles from ships anchored safely out at sea.Just a thought, is it true?0 -
JarJar blinks - thats a very interesting article bro.Was it emailed to you,off a website or did you write it?
If off a website can you be a pal and post the links please
Biffa Bacon - you dont honestly belive that America is all innocent and sweet do you?0 -
Originally posted by Venom
JarJar blinks - thats a very interesting article bro.Biffa Bacon - you dont honestly belive that America is all innocent and sweet do you?0 -
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I suggest reading Noam Chomskys "Rogue States" for a truly even handed and fact based analysis of this topic all backed up by credible reference and example.
In fact I would guess that the author of that peice has read some Chomsky and chosen to condense it to a more emotive and sensationalist article, which isnt really needed if you've read any of his stuff.0 -
No it's not, it's leftie paranoid pinko Commie America-hating intellectually dishonest garbage, as I've just shown.
Think of this all by yourself or just rip it off from some 1950's redneck newsletter from the states.0 -
Originally posted by GerK
I suggest reading Noam Chomskys "Rogue States" for a truly even handed and fact based analysis of this topic all backed up by credible reference and example.0 -
Originally posted by Venom
Think of this all by yourself or just rip it off from some 1950's redneck newsletter from the states.
Seriously though, it's just an objective, factual description of the article that I thought of all by my self.0 -
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I like reading the "Socialist Worker" for the laugh. It's a ton of dog crap, but it's better than this garbage.0
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Originally posted by Biffa Bacon
It has suggested that if the Palestinian people want peace they should elect a leader who also wants peace. Arafat is not such a leader.
Oh and Sharon is such a man of peace? I don't recall Sharon ever winning a nobel prize for peace, He's a war criminal who has done nothing but escalate the violence since he got into power.I agree that Sharon is probably guilty of complicity in the Sabra and Chatilla massacres, but he is the democratically-elected leader of a friendly nation.
Oh, how you tame it all down, why don't you say it as it is, the mans a war criminal and should be behind bars, Arafat was also democratically elected and as for Israel being a 'friendly nation'? Don't make me laugh!0 -
This:Oh and Sharon is such a man of peace? I don't recall Sharon ever winning a nobel prize for peace, He's a war criminal who has done nothing but escalate the violence since he got into power.
Oh, how you tame it all down, why don't you say it as it is, the mans a war criminal and should be behind bars, Arafat was also democratically elected and as for Israel being a 'friendly nation'? Don't make me laugh!
and this:Bush openly embraces hugs and shakes hands with a man described by a Belgium court as an indictable war criminal for the slaughter of hundreds…
…while thousands of innocent Palestinian families languish in the slums of the west bank under brutal military curfew, unable to get food to their children suffering malnutrition for fear of being shot.
...both summarise for me the sickening attitude of a lot of Irish (and European) attitudes to Israel and the Palestinians. i.e.
Israel is the oppressor and Palestine is the victim. False and False. The suicide bombings speak for itself. As do the IDF murder of civilians. No suicide bombings = no Israeli incursions. No Israeli incursions = No suicide bombings. Or does it? Do Hamas not want to destroy the Israeli state? Anyway...
The opinions of Blade, JarJar Blinks and the rest of the far-left in Ireland is very similar to the opinions of Irish-Americans during the 80s on N. Ireland. Naive, uninformed and, worst of all, sympathic to the terrorists. America's "Irish freedom-fighters" in the 80s/90s are Ireland's "Palestinian freedom fighters" today.
The majority in Ireland had no sympathy for the IRA scum in the past. The majority should have no sympathy for palestinian suicide bombing scum today.0 -
Originally posted by Blade
Oh and Sharon is such a man of peace?He's a war criminal who has done nothing but escalate the violence since he got into power.Oh, how you tame it all down, why don't you say it as it is, the mans a war criminal and should be behind bars......as for Israel being a 'friendly nation'? Don't make me laugh!0 -
That’s because the author is, objectively speaking, anti-American.
Pilger is not anti-American. He is one of the very few anti-imperialist, brutally honest, investigative reporters in the world. He treats the British and his own Australian government with the same disdain. What is this balance you seek btw Biffa? There's hardly going to balance in the mainstream media considering it's all owned by a few multi-billionaires who will make every effort to silence dissent and keep the government of the day happy.
I don't see any balance in your comments either. Just the usual knee-jerk reactionary anti-left-wing bile that we can find in the likes of Francis "the end of history - socialism is dead" Fukuyama and our own wonderful Charlie "Sorry I mismanaged the fruits of the boom, but you ordinary folks are going to have to pay for it now in cutbacks" McCreevy.
You don't have to be anti-American to see the destructive nature of America's rulers hunger for all out world economic and military hegemony and their double standards towards dictators who are "friendly" or "rogue". When it suited America's ruling class they armed vicious regimes in Iraq and Afghanistan at the expense of ordinary people. When the balance of forces changes they just choose who their new allies or enemies are. So therefore in the Bush administration's own parlance if their old arms buying buddies are now "rogue" states then the same must apply to them.0 -
Pilger is not anti-American.He is one of the very few anti-imperialist, brutally honest, investigative reporters in the world.He treats the British and his own Australian government with the same disdain.What is this balance you seek btw Biffa?There's hardly going to balance in the mainstream media considering it's all owned by a few multi-billionaires who will make every effort to silence dissent and keep the government of the day happy.I don't see any balance in your comments either. Just the usual knee-jerk reactionary anti-left-wing bile that we can find in the likes of Francis "the end of history - socialism is dead" Fukuyama and our own wonderful Charlie "Sorry I mismanaged the fruits of the boom, but you ordinary folks are going to have to pay for it now in cutbacks" McCreevy.You don't have to be anti-American to see the destructive nature of America's rulers hunger for all out world economic and military hegemony and their double standards towards dictators who are "friendly" or "rogue".When it suited America's ruling class they armed vicious regimes in Iraq and Afghanistan at the expense of ordinary people. When the balance of forces changes they just choose who their new allies or enemies are.0
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Originally posted by Biffa Bacon
No, that was Arafat who escalated the violence before Sharon became PM by launching the new Intifada (for reasons that had nothing to do with Sharon visiting the Temple Mount btw). Sharon is only responding to Arafat's escalation.
Bull$hit, he did that to rile the Palestinians and he did a good job of it. The suicide bombings escalated as a direct result of that. If he was a man of peace like ReefBreak would like to believe, would he have gone to the Temple Mount? Thats just like those Orange Ba$tards up north marching to increase tensions and escalate violence.
Friendly to the US I meant.
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Originally posted by ReefBreak
Naive, uninformed and, worst of all, sympathic to the terrorists
Get your facts straight ReefBreak, my anti Israeli comments were not pro Hamas. Just because a lot of Europeans criticise America and Israel doesn't mean they're sympathetic to the terrorists. I know that your beloved Bush administration's propaganda has lead your simple mind to believe this but most Europeans aren't quite that dumb.0 -
Originally posted by ReefBreak
No suicide bombings = no Israeli incursions. No Israeli incursions = No suicide bombingsDo Hamas not want to destroy the Israeli state?Naive, uninformed and, worst of all, sympathic to the terroristsThe majority in Ireland had no sympathy for the IRA scum in the past. The majority should have no sympathy for palestinian suicide bombing scum today
Pro-Sharon opinions bemuse me. Basically, you're saying that this guy is perfectly right in bulldozing homes & launching missile attacks on civilian populated areas. Does it not register with you that this is simply unethical. The Israeli government tries to suppress terrorist activities with military responses, so maniacal, so devoid of any form of tact or reason, that, unfortunately, you have little sympathy left for the Israelis.0 -
OK calm down the lot of you. If I see any more personalised insults I will "ethnically cleanse" all your a$$es. Stop attacking each other and discuss the topic at hand.
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Originally posted by ReefBreak
The opinions of Blade, JarJar Blinks and the rest of the far-left in Ireland is very similar to the opinions of Irish-Americans during the 80s on N. Ireland
And another thing ReefBreak, JarJar blinks simply posted an article he found somewhere and asked for peoples opinions on it, if your that dumb not to see that they weren't actually his opinions then I think you should refrain from posting your accusations and pro Israeli cr@p to us.0 -
He asked for an answer as to whter the article was truthful or not. For the most part it is. Wake up folks. Governments do not and will never give a shít about the little guy. There is nothing beneath those in power. It's fairly well known here that the mainstream american media is a joke, what do you expect when it's owned by huge corporations entwined with the powerful?
A few points. Almost noone brings cases before the world court. Why? Well look at what happened in th US- Nicaragua case. The US support to the mercenaries/rebels wasn't halted at all. As Biffa points out, the world court is just like everyother instrument that supposedly dispenses justice on an international scale. That is to say it's totally useless at worst and very flawed at best, a bit like the UN. Both sides have to agree to the decision. Maybe we should bring that into our own society !
Judge : "You've been found guilty of rape, I sentence you to 15 years."
Rapist: "No, I don't agree to that."
Judge : "Ok, you can go."
It's quite amusing to see some of the views here, which like to interpret themselves as impartial, when it must surely be obvious to anyone that they are biased fairly heavily. Biffa can't write a post without having a go at the "left", which are constantly trying to distort the truth about the fairest and most just regime in the world. The U.S government is utterly bereft of moral integrity. But then morals have no place in politics, and they never will. That's even more true on the international stage than domestic. No one is looking out for you, everyone is looking out for themselves and their interests. Once you accept that, it's fairly easy to interpret the actions of any government. Be sceptical, at least one of the contributors to this thread is a proven liar. Oh and be thankful. For at least you live in a western society. It won't be your stomach rumbling, child dying, or family killed because of what the powerful in Washington/Paris/wherever decided to do/not to do.
A hundred years ago, thousands of people starved and died of simple to cure diseases. A hundred years from now, despite our technological advances, people will still starve and die of easy to cure diseases. It's human nature. Deep down, we're not bothered about saving some starving, disease ridden non-whites, whatever ails or threatens them. Accept it.0 -
Originally posted by bugler
A hundred years ago, thousands of people starved and died of simple to cure diseases. A hundred years from now, despite our technological advances, people will still starve and die of easy to cure diseases. It's human nature. Deep down, we're not bothered about saving some starving, disease ridden non-whites, whatever ails or threatens them. Accept it.
No. Refusing to accept that politics is eternally amoral is in itself a political decision. The extent to which politics is influenced by moral concerns is itself a matter of politics. So while I agree with you that we shouldn't expect governments (especially those with most interests to protect and the power to do so) to behave with impeccable morals, I don't agree that we should stop asking or demanding that they do.0 -
Bull$hit, he did that to rile the Palestinians and he did a good job of it.
And why shouldn’t an Israeli be allowed visit the Temple Mount anyway? It’s one of the holiest sites in Judaism.Oh well thats all that counts really isn't it.0 -
He asked for an answer as to whter the article was truthful or not. For the most part it is.0
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Originally posted by shotamoose
No. Refusing to accept that politics is eternally amoral is in itself a political decision. The extent to which politics is influenced by moral concerns is itself a matter of politics. So while I agree with you that we shouldn't expect governments (especially those with most interests to protect and the power to do so) to behave with impeccable morals, I don't agree that we should stop asking or demanding that they do.0 -
Originally posted by Biffa Bacon
I went through the article and demonstrated that practically every claim in it was either an outright lie or a gross distortion of the facts. The only thing I wrote that anyone has chosen to dispute is whether or not John Pilger is anti-American. If people think it is so truthful, why is no one trying to defend it?
Try applying the intellectual standards you set for others to yourself. In your answer you rightly pointed out a couple of distortions, and the rest of the time you quibbled ("I don't know this case ... what's the context? etc), threw in your own distortions and euphemisms (the School of Americas as 'set up to fight Communism'), or rationalised answers to various points without disputing the facts (see answers on Kyoto, Jenin, Arafat).
Generally you didn't make any real points of your own, instead you spread insults ("scum"), invective ("die lefties die") and propaganda. That article was certainly ideologically slanted, but if anything you're worse, since you're the one accusing everyone else of hypocrisy. You're keen to call Chomsky and Pilger liers and hyperbolists but you don't back this up, so I wonder if it's based on anything more than an ideological disagreement.
In the end, the whole argument about rogue states is about whether or not a country consistently applies the same criteria to all, including itself. The US clearly doesn't, and you clearly have no problem with this ("Sometimes you have to choose the lesser of two evils. This isn’t hypocrisy – it’s expediency").0 -
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Originally posted by Biffa Bacon
You should have a read of this article: Did Sharon Spark the Riots?
And why shouldn’t an Israeli be allowed visit the Temple Mount anyway? It’s one of the holiest sites in Judaism.
Thats a Jewish website written by Jewish people for Jewish people, what the hell are you expecting them to admit that Sharon is doing anything wrong? Is this your 'hard evidence' to back up your comments? Because thats all you seem to be doing in your posts. John Pilger is Anti-American and does go overboard on a lot of his comments, but your worse.0 -
Originally posted by Biffa Bacon
I never called for balance. A bit of intellectual honesty would be nice though.
You mean intellectual honesty like referring to all these people who happen to take a stance you dont like as "commie, lefty, pinko scum", or words to that effect?
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Just looking through your ' unbiased ' web site there and just look at the type of cr@p thats in it:
http://www.aish.com/jewishissues/mediaobjectivity/This_is_CNN$.asp
Their not too happy when a news channel like CNN actually speaks up about them that they have to try and replace it in Israel with Fox News thats always ki$$ing Israeli and American a$$es. Heres a sample of the bull$hit on your honest web site:
Or recall the more recent blood libel regarding the imaginary slaughter in Jenin. CNN constantly repeated the lies of the Arabs, reporting unsubstantiated numbers of between 500 and 1000 helpless Palestinian civilians slaughtered by Israeli soldiers. All the while, Israel, which has a reputation for truth and accuracy, protested that the casualty figure was closer to 50, most of them combatants. Which, of course, turned out to be the truth.
' Israel, which has a reputation for truth and accuracy ' Yeh right! Amongst who themselves and the Americans? LOL0
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