ADD COMMUNITY - Gay / Lesbian / Bi-Sexual

jimcmgee

Board Name: Gay / Lesbian / Bi-Sexual (GLB)

<< STaN

Description: Where people can come in confidence to talk about personal or public issues on the above subjects and to give the people in the boards community a place to post?

Private Y/N: N

Just an idea, no flames please

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strat

do your homework
this has been discussed *many* times before

phreak

can i mod the lesbian board? :rolleyes:

dahamsta

I know this has been discussed before, but I thought Community boards were different? Normally they're set up to see how things go. Seems like a good idea to me to come at it from this angle. So to speak.

adam

BuffyBot

Originally posted by dahamsta
I know this has been discussed before, but I thought Community boards were different? Normally they're set up to see how things go. Seems like a good idea to me to come at it from this angle. So to speak.

adam

Yeah, it's been discussed a few times (even in the short time I've been on boards) - Why not make it a community board and see how it runs?

Boston

What do you mean in confidence, its quiet easy to talk about anything here in confidence, Two weeks from now its not like people will be talking about it.

seamus

I've no problem with it, but it will need heavy moderation á la PI. You'd probably be safer if it was private - but then it's no use to ya, if people don't know it's there. I'd say go with it, but moderate it heavily

bombidol

what about unreggie posts? allow em or not? probably best to allow them but it makes modding it a pain.

yellum

PI is doing okay at the moment and is doing well with the trolls even with the ability to post unregistered. Go for it if theres interest.

dahamsta

Heh, trust the Tipp mod to be against the Gay, Les and Bi board.

"It's unnatural, I tell ya, unnatural! Dirty feckers!"

adam


* Humour. Not to be taken seriously. Gay, Les, Bi OR Tipp people that take offense will be summarily ignored.

BuffyBot

If it has a good mod (possibly two?), I can't see why it wouldn't work.

Am willing to offer, but can't say I'd be any good :P

yellum

I'll co-mod if needs be, though I really haven't had to deal with muppets with the HW Tweaking forum cos they're all well behaved guys n gals.

I am online from around 9am to 1am daily.

swiss

Weh, this issue has already been proposed.

My stance hasn't changed all that much, the only thing that stopped it from starting was the idea that there were boards available already to discuss whatever homosexuals wanted to discuss. It's just that these boards were not specific to homosexuals/bisexuals.

I think it could work, but it would require strong modding to stop the flow of "j00 f4g5". A private community perhaps, with PM for access might be the best idea. That means that for most people who aren't interested, it would be like it didn't exist *shrug* and those who are can post, subject to teh rulez.

JustHalf

What's topic has a gay theme that can't go in Personal Issues or Humanities?

Seriously?

Mercury_Tilt

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seamus

I suppose it could be 'private but viewable', ie you can only post there by PM but n00bies will know it's there cos it's world readable.........

BuffyBot

Good idea Seamus

Personally, I can't see why not - if there are boards based on people interests in a computer game (Counterstrike etc) a board for people with sexuality as a common interest can hardly be an issue

For people (and people did say) in the earlier thread that a board like this would discriminate against heterosexual people etc etc - well thats like saying that the Counterstrike boards discriminate against non gamers. It doesn't. I'm a not a gamer, so I just don't go there - same logic would apply to a GLB board

Shinji

The only reason I could see for the existence of a board like that is as somewhere that people can post openly about matters relating to their sexuality without it being readable by all and sundry - which does, IMO, make the idea of a private forum with PM for access into a sensible one, as long as the moderators were both sensible and trustworthy.

yellum

Originally posted by Mercury_Tilt


You could call it "The Closet"

Haha. Oooh behave !

Mercury_Tilt

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swiss

Originally posted by Shinji:

as long as the moderators were both sensible and trustworthy.

amp test.

I have some time to kill today, so I don't mind making up a charter for peeps to peruse.

I don't think it would be like a closet Merc, surely it's very existence would encourage people to come out.

Shinji

I don't see the problem with it being a bit closet-y anyway, to be honest. Coming out isn't always necessarily the best thing for a gay person to do, it depends entirely on their situation - however having people they can talk to openly is ALWAYS a good thing.

JustHalf

PI board not good enough?

I'm still confused about this.

RopeDrink

If you need a spare hand at minding the place (Should it be created) then Im always around.

Despite the fact that I strongly disagreed with the creation of the Board the first time (Seeing as it was quite obvious that it would become the haven for muppets, trolls and general assholes to go and cause uneeded trouble).

Anyway, Im not going to say anymore.

Dustaz

Not again

The only gay threads that seem to happen here are the ones that are asking for a gay board. The last time this came up, the monstrosity known as PI was created. god only knows what will be spawned this time.

I would have thought a womans issues board would be higher priority? Sex? Adult? all of these would probably generate more traffic than a gay board.

Shinji

JustHalf, Dustaz et al :-

Is there a reason that the creation of this board is greeted with a chorus of "Why?", while almost everything else gets a response of "Why Not?"...?

Dustaz

Yes. I wouldnt treat this board any different due to any PC issues.

When a board is suggested, i may object or support it based on whether i think it warrants a seperate board.

This board, like the cannabis board does not seem to have the threads here to fill it. Is there ANY active gay/lesbian thread at the moment?

The 'build it and they will come' mentality is an argument in its favor i suppose

Boston

Won’t this forum just lead to more segregation and division, more of a “I don’t mind gays once I can pretend they don’t exist and im never confronted by their issues” mentality then anything. its ok to be gay, but only on the gay forum, on the other forums you have to pretend you like the rest of us. Do we really really want to build these walls around ourselves? I personally think apart from making us seem more open it would actually exposed the blatant homophobic nature of the board’s users in such away as to leave a very sour taste in all our mouths. I say no to building a box, I say no to building a peace line and I say no to a partite.Gaysd have to right to post want ever they want where ever they want on boards, and the day we actually need aboard for them is a sad day for boards.ie.

Anybody notice it’s a rank outsider newbie asking for this forum, completely unaware weather or not its needed, just society conditioning telling them that their should be one.
I say lets have 10 people post saying they would post openly to such a forum on homosexual issues. There's bound to be at least 100 gay people on boards. I'm betting you wont get 10, probably wont even get five. Forums here have never been about who wants them or who does, but about who will use them.

Mercury_Tilt

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JustHalf

Originally posted by Shinji
JustHalf, Dustaz et al :-

Is there a reason that the creation of this board is greeted with a chorus of "Why?", while almost everything else gets a response of "Why Not?"...?

I'm usually in there with the "Another effin' board?" crowd, to be fair. Particularly when it's another tech board.

I suppose a Community board is a bit different than a regular board though.

I still don't know why one is needed. A community of gay people doesn't make much sense to me. Neither do half of the community boards though

BuffyBot

Originally posted by Boston
itsok to be gay, but only of the gay forum, on the other forums you have to pretend you like the rest of us. Do we really really want to build these walls around ourselves? I personally think apart from making us seem more open it would actually exposed the blatant homophobic nature of the board’s users in such away as to leave a very sour taste in all our mouths. I say no to building a box, I say no to building a peace line and I say no to a partite.Gaysd have to right to post want ever they want where ever they want on boards

I don't think anyone has sad it's not ok to be gay. Nor does anyone want to build walls around it. Why not have dedicated space though?

Anybody notice it’s a rank outsider newbie asking for this forum, completely unaware weather or not its needed, just society conditioning telling them that their should be one.
I say lets have 10 people post saying they would post openly to such a forum on homosexual issues. There's bound to be at least 100 gay people on boards. I'm betting you wont get 10, probably wont even get five. Forums here have never been about who wants them or who does, but about who will use them.

Maybe it's an existing member who registered a new account because they didn't feel comfortable asking for it themselves?

I agree, build it and they will come. If they don't knock it down and build somthing else there - Boards can be created easily, and just as easily deleted if they aren't working.

Boston

I'm a realist and that the way it will work, you creating a user specific board, the first kind to my knowledge ever on boards, if you not gay don't bother, if you do then you must be gay. The either that this wont create a "Them & Us" attitude and mentality is wrong. You only have to look as far as your job to see it, smokers and non smokers lunch rooms, ect. The minute you start X behavior is meant to go here, then soon it becomes X behavior can only go there. Your basically creating a board for a sensitive issue, and that not the way to go. This if you build it they will come notion doesn't work either, since the laws of averages says that there's already a fair few of them here, at least in the hundreds. Yet I don't see them in this thread, hell we don't even know if the original poster is gay, we just presume.

Btw if it is an already registered user hiding then I fail to see how this board would help him or her at all.

Dave

There's no "Hetrosexual" Community board, why would you need a G/L/BI one?

dahamsta

[ Gor, I've lost count of how many times I've seen ^that^ argument. ]

I'd normally agree with Dustaz on this, matter of fact I've been a proponent of letting demand drive growth before. I think this is different though, I don't think it's the same as, for example, setting up a soccer board out of sports; or Windows out of Tech. Gay/Les/Bi is a personal issue[1], and some people might be embarassed to come forward and ask for a board. Whereas if the board is there, and a few people are posting on it, others might feel a bit more encouraged to pop their head up and say hello. More importantly though, the user requested a /community/ board, and it's been said here many times that /anyone/ is welcome to request a community board, and unless the topic for dicussion is particularly dodgy, it'll be set up. G/L/B isn't dodgy, it's a fact of life[2]. Set it up, let it run for a few weeks, see what happens. If it doesn't get the traffic, or it turns into a flamefest, shut it down again.

Your pretty screwed from the out set tbh.

Phhoooooaaaarrr!!

adam

[1] Haha, very funny.
[2[ Haha again.

yellum

Most Useful poster strikes again. Well said Adam.

Blade

I think that one of the problems with this idea is the worry that such a board will turn out to be a gay adult meeting ground when we won't even have adult personals for straight people. Far as I know this whole adult personals thing is something they've wanted to keep off the boards and they therefor suggested that gay issues are like any other personal issues and therefor should be posted to the PI board.

My personal opinion however is that I would like to see in the future an area on the boards for dating (all preferences) and also one for reunions for old school friends etc. It's my feeling that the chances are theres quite a few people on the boards that your likely to know but you don't know who they are by their boards names. I also think these 2 ideas will move the boards towards being the no.1 bookmark in Ireland. I'm not sure they want it to become too big because of the traffic but theres other Irish personals sites out there making money from subs, perhaps we could do the same. It could just be a small sub.

swiss

I'm against the idea of having gay personals tbh. If peeps wanted to meet each other we could arrange a drinkies session, or else the individuals involved can pm each other. I've seen it in other sites and I wouldn't like to see it here. It may just be my imagination, but it seems a little seedy tbh.

Anyway, I've developed a kind of charter that may keep most peeps happy. Cut n' paste job

Charter:

This board deals with issues of a sensitive nature and as such will be modded heavily.

1) This board relates to gay/bisexual issues. Everything else is OT (off topic), and will be moved/deleted as appropriate.

2) No Gay personals. Other places have this facility, go there. If you want to meet other members of this board, I suggest posting up a time/location for drinks.

3) Do NOT post content of an explicit nature here. This includes pornographic pictures, ascii art, sexually explicit text etc. If you want to post up a 'Slydice special' with the shoe on the other foot, take it to After Hours and let Monty deal with it . If you post it here, we will delete the posts without explanation.

4) We may well get some trolls on this board. They will be dealt with (barred from the board and reported to admins, namely). Kindly do not feed them. Instead point out the irony of posting up gay bashing material on a gay board.

5) No flaming. This means posting something that you feel will incite anger and/or abusive posting. This is usually thinly veiled insults.

6) No advertisements. Talk to Dev about banner space if you want to advertise your product/service/establishment etc.

7) As always no spamming.

8) As always no spamming.

Please be advised that because this is a private board, there will be no option to post unregistered. That is a feature allowed in PI.

If you have a problem with any of the moderation techniques used, please feel free to take it up via PM, or you can report it on the Admin board. We will not discuss it in any of the threads. An infraction will usually result in a warning. Repeat offenders will be barred, often temporarily, depending on the severity of the offence. A serious infraction will result in a permanent ban from the board.

That would basically be the remit of the board, I believe. Whether it will gain final approval or not is of course debatable. Whether many boards members will PM to gain access or not is another matter entirely. The same individuals who may not like to post in PI about these issues would probably have the same compunction in sending a mod a PM to gain access to a board setup specifically to accomodate them.

ykt0di9url7bc3

The request of this was beat to death here

yellum

Good charter swiss. Has this met the criteria for a private community forum yet ? Seems to me it has. Why not make it private to start with and then see what happens from there.

Just because its been requested numerous times shouldn't stop it being asked for again, surely ?

lordsippa

The one problem (BIG problem) I can see about this one is that people will recognise you as a poster there. And then trolls will catch you elsewhere or some people might treat you differently. Kinda like Boston's point... but there should be a way of overcoming that.

Also, some people would feel more secure talking about, for example, coming out on a board where their posts won't be seen by people who may judge them badly, or where old friends might suddenly get a large surprise.

So my suggestion is that people just post there with their usernames blocked. Also would require the PM to mods to post though, cause unregistered would let in all the trolls. <i mean, what's more likely to drag in trolls PI or G/B/L?>

Still, I personally think it's great. I know there are a lot of people who are having a really hard time coming to grips with being gay and it would be quite handy for some people who just don't know what they are. Perhaps give it a more subtle name... Orientation Issues... Gender Preferences... The Closet...

STaN

Some1 has to mod it and who better than some1 who knows what its like on the scene?

I think some1 who is infact gay/bi should mod the board. I think 2 mods would be enough to ensure no flames or inappropriate behaviour. And sure if its not popular im sure a few 'stickies' where people who may be a bit curious can read up on gay related topics etc.

In allot of the colleges around the country there are GLB societies and this board could also server as a meeting point for those aswell and increase board traffic as a result.

Passwording the board, does no good? How can people read up on things and get advise etc? *Magically* whip up a password?

Can a system be setup where all posts have to be approved before are put up?

And your guarenteed thats the original poster is a boards member

swiss

Originally posted by lordsippa:

Orientation Issues... Gender Preferences... The Closet...

Sounds very PC, but unfortunately ambiguous. GLB would prolly be a more condensed name.

Originally posted by Dave|STaN:

Some1 has to mod it and who better than some1 who knows what its like on the scene?

Well it would be helpful I suppose, experience wise as well as otherwise . However, it isn't essential, IMO.

A system can be set up to premod posts. Dunno if it would work tbh, but worth a look

DeVore

DeVore is thinking..... please wait....

Keeks

.......could be a long wait.......like the otherside of Christmas

STaN

true it might not be essential but it would help. Like im sure on the programming board the moderators know a bit of programming?

That kinda way. Maybe 2 mods from each walk of life?

I wouldnt mind modding tbh

Shinji

Dave|Stan - I think that the main sensible use for this board which has emerged is the concept of it not being really for people on the "scene" as such in the first place, hence the idea of it being private. Lordsippa hit the nail on the head - lots of people (probably a lot of them using boards.ie) are gay and not out and would probably rather not be "outed" just in order to be able to talk about issues pertaining specifically to their sexuality.

also:

Passwording the board, does no good? How can people read up on things and get advise etc? *Magically* whip up a password?

No, they contact a moderator who gives their account access to read/post on the board. Yes, this requires a certain level of trust in the doorkeeper, but I don't see any better way of doing it.

yellum

I agree with Shinji. I vote private board with swiss the mod or one of them anyway. Do I have a vote ?

Keeks

Originally posted by Shinji
JustHalf, Dustaz et al :-

Is there a reason that the creation of this board is greeted with a chorus of "Why?", while almost everything else gets a response of "Why Not?"...?

I think its got more to do with the amount of actual muppetry it will attract than the actual content of the board is the problem when this question keeps popping up.

As correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Dev complaining recently about the amount of existing mupptry that is already here. There was even some strange/radical/stupid ideas thrown about on how to combat it.

But wasn't the PI board setup the last time this question arose?

Originally posted by jimcmgee
Description: Where people can come in confidence to talk about personal or public issues on the above subjects and to give the people in the boards community a place to post?

don't take this the wrong way, but isn't that what the PI (Personal Issues) board is for?

Is the PI board being overrun with gay/lesbian posts that it needs a board of its own. And quite frankly in my opinion I think think a board of its own will only lead to a sh*tload of gay bashing posts. Well then again, it sis just mu opinion

smiles

Mod it carefully, and the private forum sounds like a good idea.

Would people who are sensible and may be able to give advice (but not necessarily gay) be allowed use it?

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swiss

Originally posted by smiles:

Would people who are sensible and may be able to give advice (but not necessarily gay) be allowed use it?

Not up to me I suppose, but I can't see a problem with that. The idea is not to segregate boards members just like the Mac and Windows boards are meant to discuss Windows and Mac topics separately, but do not segregate computer users.

I can imagine a few peeps sending carefully worded PM's with "look I'm not gay but..." . I personally won't be out to vet anyone, and I'm sure no-one else who threw their name forward (or indeed the admins) would either. Being gay/bi would NOT be a requirement as far as I am concerned, a bit like the fact that you don't have to be straight to read After Hours (but it helps ).

I dunno who would be most suited to mod tbh. Quite a few people have mentioned their name, and it's up to DeV/other admins to determine suitablity depending I suppose on experience and other factors. That is, of course, if the idea is approved in the first place.

STaN

Originally posted by Dave|STaN
In allot of the colleges around the country there are GLB societies and this board could also server as a meeting point for those aswell

These groups dont want to be hidden away in a private forum.

A pre post system seems like a good idea. But it should also allow none registered posters because people arent always that open about themselves.

And even if its not regularly used people can read the stickies (which would give people advise on certain aspects of gay life. The thing many people dont understand is that there is a whole other gay culture out there, bars, events, shows, as well as coming out issues, people who are suicidal because they dont know what to think, people who need advice on how to get introduced (not date) other gay people or a place where they can discuss just general topics (like the best pubs, bullying, clubbing, drugs - not which to take but to prevention by education etc, insecurities, ideas etc etc the list goes on tbh and i cant really cover what would be discussed in there.)

Thats how i see it anyway.

Or have i a unique outlook?