I-Stream has dissappeared

Kevok

Dunno whether this has been mentioned before but the link http://www.adsl.ie directs to an eircom 404 page.

So i went to eircoms site, and all they have on there is product pricing for there adsl modems.

Maybe i'm being paranoid (probably from previous experience with eircom). But they're not pulling the product........are they?

All there links to it in the business page have been removed.

photty

no the links are still there alright. Perhaps they've been moving stuff around though... Still plenty of mouse muppetry at this URL:
http://www.eircom.ie/bveircom/mouse/index.html

>Connecting to eircom i-stream solo will cost you 199.65 A >monthly fee of 107.69 applies thereafter.

I mean WTF.

Heres pricing from the main danish telco

Installation (engangsbeløb)
Total Installation 995,- <- 133 euro

Hastighed (Kbit/s) down/up Pris pr. måned
256/128 350,- <- less than 50 euro per month!
512/128 435,-
1024/256 535,-
2048/512 785,-

Just stuck this up here because it's a similar size market to Ireland (5.5 million)

Kevok

Ah right there it is, thanks.

LoBo

photty, does that danish telco have restrictions on the dsl service offered? eg. download caps ala eircom, or speed restrictions after a certain amount of download (as in, same as eircom's download cap, but instead of paying /mb after exceeding it, you just get a slow connection for remainder of month instead)

LoBo

-- also, interestingly, I've yet to see a price comparison like this one for ANY broadband offering where Eircom's comes out on top. :P Anyone?

matthiku

Here is a price comparison: (afair, Eircom charges 99 Euro)
____________________________________________
Selected monthly bitstream charges for 500 Kbps ADSL, November 2001

Operator . . . . . . . ADSL loop rental/month (Euros)

Belgacom . . . . . . . . 33.61
BT . . . . . . . . . . . . 48.86
Deutsche Telekom . 16.84 *
France Telecom . . . 30.18
Hong Kong Telecom 25.91
Telefonica . . . . . . 55.17

Notes
* reference offer only

Source: www.point-topic.com
___________________________________

Matthias

Kenshin

Originally posted by matthiku
Telefonica . . . . . . 55.17

Telefonica also offers 256/128 ADSL for under €40.
(That's what I use in Spain)

photty

Originally posted by LoBo
photty, does that danish telco have restrictions on the dsl service offered? ...

all the price info is here. From my rather basic danish I can't see any mention of caps or restrictions. Plus any danes I've spoken to about bb didn't mention it. You get proper always on for a reasonable price it seems.

However I don't think it's really fair to compare pricing with the larger countrys in europe (UK, Germany). The danish example does prove that it should be possible in Ireland. Pricing should really be aimed at mass penetration rather than the select few. Look at how pay as you go mobiles were marketed initially. Eircell were first in and then Esat launched speakeasy for basically the same price. Cosy little arrangement really. Then I seem to remember the call charges being cut drastically by Esat with Eircell being forced to follow suit. Point is I'd imagine DSL going the same way .. eventually.

pepsiman

I can't see any mention of caps or restrictions

The Opasia web site say about their NetExpress ADSL offer:
"Få lynhurtigt internet til en fast pris - uanset forbrug."

Which in English would be:
"Get lightening fast internet for a fixed price - irrespective of consumption"

or in more familiar terms:
"Flat rate, uncapped internet"

Installation (engangsbeløb)
Total Installation 995,- <- 133 euro

The DIY installation however is free...
"Gør Det Selv: 0,-"

/Thomas

sceptre

Locking this purely because there a discussion / list going on about Net costs in other countries (which also may be of use to our friends in eircomtribunal) here. Feel free to post (if I could order you to I would, but I'm just one of the two ringmasters of this circus:D - no control over the acts)

(edit)
I haven't moved posts from this thread to the other one as it would mean putting half the posts here before the original post there - hassle etc)

De Rebel

Following on from a closed thread....

while the individual EirCut i-stream pages are still working, all links, references and search key-words appear to have been removed.

there certainly is something up. this thing has been pushed so far out of sight it might as well not exist.

i had a hilarious phonecon with i-stream sales yesterday (1800 503 303) - here's a few nuggets:

"oh no (with an indignant tone) we haven't cancelled the product, we are actually planning a massive press release"

"the technician's are working on it all the time when they are not busy installing high speed boxes"

"we can't tell you when it will reach your area - but it might be in the press release"

"we can't tell you what the state of installation in the exchanges is - only the technicians know that" "No I am sorry we cannot contact the technicians for a progress report" "No I am sorry you cannot contact the technicians either - their phone numbers are not available"

With this "Massive" press release perhaps EirChatter taking a leaf from the ODTR's book, she who specialises in self congratulatory press releases and little else.

If you have a half an hour to kill, try calling i-stream sales (1800 503 303) its free. start out with 5 reasonable factual questions - and let us know how you get on!

This whole thing is such a farce. And now that ADSL is finally nominally available after 3 years of evaluation by EirCoy (anybody would think they invented it with that much testing) instead of doing its job and kicking EirCon into submission and getting a rapid deployment our beloved Dept. of Telegraphs and Trawlers is off on a wireless broadband tangent. Good stuff in its own right, but why not break with the habits of a lifetime and for ONCE finish a project before moving along.

sceptre

Thread reopened

Any comments on BB costs in other countries, please put them in this thread (just to have them in one location)

Eircom ADSL comments/reasonable rants, carry on here;)

De Rebel

sceptre

was my rant reasonable ? ! ?

pepsiman

Ok, no prices no more. Here anyway

I went to the Eircom i-stream demos page, just to see what they were on about. There you can view simulations comparing different connections and speeds.

http://mmm.eircom.ie/mouse/demos.asp

You can also see how a streamed video would be using a <56k, 64k and 128k (ISDN) and 512k (ADSL) connection (downstream).

Eircom claim that I-stream give you "near DVD quality" - it's stated on the demo page (at the URL above, select "Video", wait for Flash download, then select "I-stream").

With a 512kbps connection as in their demo, I, IMHO, would be flattered to get well-used-VHS-quality on the streamed video. Back to Scandinavia, and Norway this time, where the company Tiscali claim video-on-demand streamed at 900kbps give you "good VHS quality". At least that's what they said at a launch of such a service in Norway yesterday.

Is Eircom misleading me with their statement telling me that I can expect "near DVD quality" on a 512kbps connection?

(Also, there's only a "Click to order Hi-speed", no "I-stream", on that page :rolleyes: )

Just a thought I had, hopefully in the "Eircom ADSL comments" category, sceptre

/Thomas

sceptre

Originally posted by De Rebel
sceptre

was my rant reasonable ? ! ?

So reasonable I wouldn't have classed it as a rant (still a good pertinant post though). You must have seen Adam/dahamsta (Mr Rant) complaining about telcos / me complaining about Chorus somewhere here - that's a rant:)