Am interested to see on the Keane issue.

BKtje · 09-09-2002 12:39am #1

I'm interested to see the people who support Keane and who don't.
Im curious wether its mainly Man u fans who support Keane or is it equally spread out.

(im aware this doesnt cover all the bases but i am curious. If your option is not avail plz post the closest.)

Michael Collins · 09-09-2002 1:08am

Not a Man U fan here...and in fact I was all for McCarty until starting to read Keane's "autobiography" (it's an *AUTO*biography but wasn't written by him this I don't understand)...but anyway what he's saying makes sense, I believe him about the facilities, the economy class plane seats, the awful pitch at Saipan and everything else - while I'm aware of course some people are struggling to make 0.1% of Keane's salary and it's a little prima donna of him to complain, but all other world class football players / teams are getting good, decent facilities so why not Ireland's? - and that this had been going on for years but McCarthy wasn't doing anything about it...so about his outburst in Saipan, it was a stupid thing for Roy to do, but he had the right to be pissed....

But the main question is do we NEED roy? The answer has to be YES, but I really don't see this happening while McCarthy is captain, maybe he'll resign...if he was smart he would've done so after the World Cup - we'd done pretty well without our Roy, he'd proved himself and would be ending on a high.

He deserves another shot for sure.....and I'd say he'll get it, perhaps in the not too distant future, he won't be back till December anyway, but if...hopefully we wont...but IF we lose to switzerland, and God forbid say...Georgia...the pressure from the pro Roy camp would be too great for McCarthy to bear, see what's happend after this game, and you can't say this was an easy match, the fact it was in Russia amoung thier die-hard fans made it all the more difficult.

Hmm maybe I should wait till I read McCarthy's book before making jugdements like this...not a big fan of the writter of his though (Cathal Dervan)...

kamobe · 09-09-2002 1:25am

Not a man u fan, yes he should be given another chance. Football isn't about personality , it's about talent. The man is talented. He's an ass, but he's talented.

Stinkah · 09-09-2002 2:11am

Well I think I'm probably in the camp most in support of Keane as a super Irish midfielder and that's all that matters.

I'm an ABU and I reckon that he just has to be there.

As far as the qualifiers for the World Cup is concerned in most games he almost single handly won the games for us.

It's like getting rid of Steve Redgrave from his rowing teams in the Olympics. Sure, the lads he raced with were class too, but lets be brutally honest - they wouldn't have to recognition they have now if it weren't for Redgrave's brilliance.

Similarly, players like Duff and Robbie Keane and even Gary Breen ( who I'm not a fan of I have to say ) wouldn't have been able to get the recognition they have today for the displays in the world cup if it wasn't for the brilliance of Roy Keane pushing the team into the world cup in the first place.

Once he puts the red shirt on he's utd scum, and Stevie G becomes the best midfielder in the premiership, but once he dons the green, he's the best midfielder in the world, never mind the premiership - if you see where I'm coming from - and it is this that I support Roy Keane for

09-09-2002 11:10am

I'm ABU too. I'd be happy to see him back, the nutter. Can only do us good overall. :cool:

Xterminator · 09-09-2002 12:19pm

I would love too see roy pull on the irish shirt again.

I cant see it happening al long as Mick is there, but Ireland would be the better team with him.

X

daveirl · 09-09-2002 7:57pm

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BKtje · 09-09-2002 9:56pm

that would be hard to do seeing as there are more people in the rest of the country.
You'd have to do a county per county thing and compare it with Cork. or something

daveirl · 10-09-2002 1:10am

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GoneShootin · 10-09-2002 1:50am

you left out one option in your poll

"sick to death of hearing about roy keane"

Helix · 10-09-2002 1:55am

am i the only one who finds is SLIGHTLY suspiscious that only 3 man united supporters have voted in this poll, while 21 non man united supporters have voted??? from what ive gathered from this board theres a LOT more than just 12% man united supporters

BKtje · 10-09-2002 2:14am

yer i was surprised at that myself.
Either they are lying, cant be arsed to vote or this is truely the case

All we can do is hope everyone votes truthfully.

Helix · 10-09-2002 2:20am

im sure there are a few united supporters who, for the sake of trying to get their point across, said they didnt support united to make keane look backed moreso by non united fans. not saying of course that everyone who supports united did that by a long shot, just pretty damn sure that thered be one or 2 at least

hallelujahjorda · 10-09-2002 8:49am

Bring back Roy . . . Sack McCarthy . . . He's a muppet, . . Can anyone who knows about football please explain the logic of bringing Phil Babb into a team 3-2 down with 10 minutes to go.

Where's O'Shea,

Where's Butler ?

But most of all, Why can Mick not see what the rest of us can and play Duff on the wing ? ? ?

Xterminator · 10-09-2002 9:41am

Wheres Glen Crowe ?

bucks73 · 10-09-2002 9:53am

I am a United fan and I believe Keane should and will play for his country again. Although McCarthy wont be manager.

Keanes absence in the qualifiers will show McCarthy up for what he really is. Amateur and naive. How long will the McCarthy supporters stand by him? If we dont beat the Swiss the calls for his head will start. Ireland with Keane would piss that group easily.

Thanx 4 The Fish · 10-09-2002 10:27am

If Keane came back to Ireland, I wonder whether or not those players who he called muppets would play alongside him. Fair enuff bring back the psycho fool, but isn't there a rule about having to start a game with at least seven men...

bucks73 · 10-09-2002 1:41pm

Kelly, Staunton and Quinn have packed it in so there is just Holland and McAteer left. Holland would be automatically dropped for Keane if he came back because of the fact that he is crap. McAteer is a muppet that we can do without. He was talking about retiring during the WC so he might as well do it now even if Keane comes back or not.

Thanx 4 The Fish · 10-09-2002 5:09pm

AFAIK Keane was talking about hanging up his international boots after the WC too. Why is it such a big issue now considering that he probably wouldn't be about to have played in the Russia game anyway ?

CharlieMac · 10-09-2002 5:36pm

Anyone out there who meets the following three criteria:

Not Irish
Not a Man United fan
Likes Roy Keane?

Anyone at all?

I'm curious.

Lennoxschips · 10-09-2002 6:03pm

Most people in England don't like him. You can't really blame them, if they read and believe the crap that is written in the papers over there. Look at the stuff that Shearer has gotten away with that never gets the same amount of media coverage.

Rags · 10-09-2002 6:48pm

I believe him about the facilities, the economy class plane seats, the awful pitch at Saipan and everything else

but all other world class football players / teams are getting good, decent facilities so why not Ireland's? - and that this had been going on for years but McCarthy wasn't doing anything about it

Awww poor roy, OMG I am so sick of hearing this. The reason we havent got the facilities and probably never will is because we dont have the money. We are not England, Germany etc and will never be anything like their standards. Where could we get anywhere near the money they have. Our team has never won anything and all the Irish ignore Irish soccer and support English teams. The FAI lets face it havent got money in abundance. Roy Keane is a spoilt git and let us all down , of course I aint a great fan of Mick either.

10-09-2002 7:53pm

The reason we havent got the facilities and probably never will is because we dont have the money.

How much money does it cost to pay for first class travel and decent facilities?? A few hundred thousand... even a million!? The government should step in and throw a few mill extra at the FAI to pay for this stuff.

Roy Keane is a spoilt git...

I don't think he's spoilt, I think his issues were genuine and I'm glad he's highlighted them.

But he did let us down by walking.

Helix · 10-09-2002 8:19pm

Originally posted by Thanx 4 The Fish
AFAIK Keane was talking about hanging up his international boots after the WC too. Why is it such a big issue now considering that he probably wouldn't be about to have played in the Russia game anyway ?

EXACTLY!

10-09-2002 9:31pm

afaik he said he'd love to play for Ireland again on a tv interview.

Helix · 10-09-2002 10:07pm

reasons keane said that perhaps:

1) makes mick look bad

2) its ok for him to tell his country he wont play for them again through retirement, but its not ok for his country to tell him hes not wanted, in his mind

3) you always want what you cant have

Lennoxschips · 11-09-2002 12:34am

Awww poor roy, OMG I am so sick of hearing this. The reason we havent got the facilities and probably never will is because we dont have the money. We are not England, Germany etc and will never be anything like their standards. Where could we get anywhere near the money they have. Our team has never won anything and all the Irish ignore Irish soccer and support English teams. The FAI lets face it havent got money in abundance. Roy Keane is a spoilt git and let us all down , of course I aint a great fan of Mick either.

The FAI does have the money for First Class seats, seeing that all the blazers travel up in First Class. There was a free world class training centre at Izumo laid on by FIFA which wouldn't have cost the FAI a penny, but the team had to go to Saipan for a week long piss up first, which actually ended up costing way more money than if the team had gone straight to Izumo... It's all just an example of bad organisation and disregard for the players.

Johnny_the_fox · 11-09-2002 12:35am

Most people in England don't like him. You can't really blame them, if they read and believe the crap that is written in the papers over there. Look at the stuff that Shearer has gotten away with that never gets the same amount of media coverage

so true, the english media hate him, cos hes Irish fullstop.....
Shearer kicking Lennon on the head years ago, the english media said nothing....

How much money does it cost to pay for first class travel and decent facilities?? A few hundred thousand... even a million!? The government should step in and throw a few mill extra at the FAI to pay for this stuff.

we have decent facilites, we lack decent finances... we aint Man Utd, we cant afford to fly our players to Brazil etc...

Roy's downfall IMO is down to one man -> *Alex Ferguson*
Ferguson as we seen last week, doesnt want his players to play international football. Didnt want Roy to play in the world cup, because he wanted him to have his hip operation during the summer months... so he could start the next season fresh...

I would love Roy the pull a green shirt on again, and lead his country to the Euro Championships, but this Ferguson fellow has changed Roy into a Fathead, u know....

and cos Man Utd won feck all, last year was other factor...Roy was really fecked off....

oh yes I hate Man Utd

Rags · 11-09-2002 1:43am

On another note, you know whats even more depressing then no Roy Keane for us. Mick has said he wont be making changes to the side for upcoming games, hes gonna stick with the players who did well in the world cup. We r doomed. And we are stuck with Mick until these qualifers are over so no Roy Keane and its looking like if Mick keeps playing players out of form , we wont be in euro 2006. :mad:

Roy's downfall IMO is down to one man -> *Alex Ferguson

Hmm ya I kinda agree but I think eamonn dunphy should be added to that list

BKtje · 11-09-2002 2:15am

Mick likes to stick with his players.
Another bad result tho and he'll have to change. That is if he isnt sacked.

bucks73 · 11-09-2002 1:49pm

I would like to know how many of the people here that said the FAI havent got the money for decent facilities and travel disagree with the Sky deal?

People complain they havent the money to pay for decent facilities and organisation at the WC and then complain again when they sell the rights to their home fixtures to the highest bidder to make more money.

BKtje · 11-09-2002 5:08pm

Bucks83: that would be interesting to see.
You can never please the public it seems

Rags · 11-09-2002 6:21pm

I didnt have a problem with the sky deal but then again we have sky here , if we didnt my view might be different. Cant expect everyone to sign up to sky just to watch our own team play.

The players will just have to put up with the facilities and travel probs etc. They should be proud to play for their country no matter what. Anyways it aint as bad as Roy Keane makes it out to be.

BKtje · 11-09-2002 10:10pm

Rags do you have first hand knowledge?
if so plz eloborate. if not i dont think you can really say.

cournioni · 11-09-2002 11:42pm

Originally posted by Xterminator
Wheres Glen Crowe ?

ROTFLMAO!

Sorry couldn't resist.

I am a United fan and I think he should be in the Ireland squad Mick McCarthy or no Mick McCarthy.

Thanx 4 The Fish · 12-09-2002 9:45am

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Who Glen Crowe ??

Sposs · 12-09-2002 4:52pm

Who Glen Crowe ??

WHO'S GLEN CROWE??????

Only the finest striker Europe has ever Produced!!!!!!!!!

Stinkah · 12-09-2002 5:25pm

Originally posted by CharlieMac
Anyone out there who meets the following three criteria:

Not Irish
Not a Man United fan
Likes Roy Keane?

Anyone at all?

I'm curious.

Yeah Frank McGlynntock ( spelling ??? ) and Andy Gray have nothing but praise for the man

A$$A$$IN · 12-09-2002 10:38pm

Roy keane = Bollox

Man Utd = Bollox

FAI = Bollox

I blame the euro!!!!

Thanx 4 The Fish · 12-09-2002 10:40pm

Originally posted by Sposs

WHO'S GLEN CROWE??????

Only the finest striker Europe has ever Produced!!!!!!!!!

What I meant was

I am a United fan and I think he should be in the Ireland squad Mick McCarthy or no Mick McCarthy.

Did this guy mean that Glen Crowe should be in the Ireland squad. Everyone knows who Glen Crowe is.... some kinda TV chef or summit isn't he...

cournioni · 12-09-2002 10:50pm

Sorry... I didn't make myself clear there. I was laughing at something that guy said about Glen Crowe. There is no way he should be in the squad. Morrison, Doherty, Sadlier, Connolly are all ahead of him in my opinion.

I meant that Roy Keane should be selected for Ireland again, McCarthy or no McCarthy.

fisifan01 · 17-09-2002 9:49pm

I despise Man U but am 100% behind Roy Keane. It was him who got us to the World cup NOT Mcarthy.

Fact: Roy`s comments regarding mick were true. "you`re a $hite player a $hite manager"

Fact: Mick is only the manager of ireland because he was charlton`s buddy. he was captain for the same reason.

Mccarthy played for Millwall, a second division team. it was a wonder he even made the squad.

Am interested to see on the Keane issue.

You think Keane should be given another shot ? 47 votes

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