Slow / DHTML Menu (Subbed and Stars)

ando

whats with the boards, its so slow??? on 64k isdn it took 40 seconds to open this Bugs/Suggestions boards??? and its usually takes at least 20 seconds for each board topic.. even on 1meg ADSL in work ? There's no problem with my connection, google opens up in 1 second ... yahoo in 3 or 4

I've noticed it to be generally slow anyway, but lately its got really bad

Lump

Well, there's nothing wrong here, 56k Dialup, and everything is flying along. All the forums are opening in about 6 seconds.



John

ando

yeah, this morning its fine,
must be a busy problem

Lump

Yea, something like that. Oh well it doesnt happen to often for me.



John

DeVore

Nevadatele's routing seems to be pants.

We're leaving them for another host. Its disgraceful.

Can you post traceroutes during times when you find it bad?
Thanks,
DeV.

ricardoSmith2

have to say I find it very slow most of the time also. Especially in the evenings/nighttime.

Gordon

Thought Nevada were being liquidated soon. ?

/rumour

Lump

[smart remark ]



Thats a suprise


[/smart Remark]



John

Lucifer

i have to agree, this page alone took 40 secs to load, and i'm on NTL cable.

ando

bah, its back the way it was.. It took 43 seconds to open a topic in the MS/APPs board.. I didnt time others, but its about the same (16:10 on sunday afternoon)

Here's the tracert from 16:14 -

C:\>tracert www.boards.ie

Tracing route to www.boards.ie [195.218.115.65]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 20 ms 20 ms 30 ms ts13.dublin.indigo.ie [194.125.145.173]
2 30 ms 20 ms 30 ms fa2-0.tr2.cra.dublin.eircom.net [194.125.145.126
]
3 20 ms 30 ms 30 ms fa4-0-0.core1.cra.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.192
.33]
4 40 ms 30 ms 40 ms pos0-0-0.core1.thn.london.eircom.net [159.134.19
1.98]
5 30 ms 40 ms 40 ms pomegranate.as5388.net [195.66.224.26]
6 30 ms 41 ms 40 ms marrow.as5388.net [195.92.201.2]
7 40 ms 50 ms 40 ms ac-4.msl.as5388.net [195.92.196.9]
8 50 ms 60 ms 50 ms 195.92.211.202
9 190 ms 130 ms 131 ms irdub-core1-s0-1.nevadatele.com [195.218.126.225
]
10 120 ms 130 ms 131 ms 195.218.112.195
11 141 ms 130 ms 130 ms 195.218.112.3
12 130 ms 130 ms 131 ms troll.boards.ie [195.218.115.65]

Trace complete.

PPC

Has been a little slow here aswell.

C:\>tracert [url]www.boards.ie[/url]

Tracing route to [url]www.boards.ie[/url] [195.218.115.65]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

  1    37 ms    40 ms    40 ms  turnstile187.oceanfree.net [212.2.162.146]
  2    35 ms    40 ms    49 ms  212.2.162.131
  3    40 ms    40 ms    40 ms  212.2.162.201
  4    38 ms    40 ms    40 ms  vlan11.rt001.bmt.esat.net [193.120.57.113]
  5    34 ms    40 ms    40 ms  ge1-0.core002.bmt.esat.net [193.95.140.2]
  6    40 ms    40 ms    40 ms  pos2-1.core002.cwt.esat-x.com [193.95.131.21]
  7    43 ms    40 ms    43 ms  pos2-0.br001.inex.esat.net [193.120.59.26]
  8    40 ms    49 ms    49 ms  irdub-inex.global-vpn.net [193.1.208.198]
  9    43 ms    49 ms    49 ms  195.218.126.161
 10    50 ms    49 ms    49 ms  195.218.112.195
 11    46 ms    49 ms    49 ms  195.218.112.3
 12    58 ms    62 ms    59 ms  troll.boards.ie [195.218.115.65]

Trace complete.

bubbles

<Oj> boards slowness is turning me away from replying
<Bard`> ditto
<beat> you too
<beat> thought is was me
<Oj> its even turning me away not to bother replying to the communitys thoughts
<Bard`> I was going to post up a message asking for help with a h/w problem
<Bard`> its just taking too damn long

Anything that reduces the amount of the usual crap these users post is a good thing imo. Why try to fix something that benifits us all?

Bard

Originally posted by bubbles
<Oj> boards slowness is turning me away from replying
<Bard`> ditto
<beat> you too
<beat> thought is was me
<Oj> its even turning me away not to bother replying to the communitys thoughts
<Bard`> I was going to post up a message asking for help with a h/w problem
<Bard`> its just taking too damn long

Anything that reduces the amount of the usual crap these users post is a good thing imo. Why try to fix something that benifits us all?

This is a community bulletin board site, Bubbles. It's actually the utterly pointless type of post as demonstrated by yourself right here (above) in which you berate and insult those who just want to use boards for what they were intended, that we should be seeing less of...

Oj wanted to reply to the community's thoughts. I wanted to request help with a problem I'm having with some hardware. We wanted to use the boards for what they were intended... discussion and collaboration.

bubbles

^-- See, this is excatly what i mean.

Lenny

Its very annoying waiting 4mins 32sec just to reply to a topic that took over 2 mins to load..
IOne thing that I find weird, its just the bulletion board that takes ages to load, but howcome the www.boards.ie/funneh pics stream in nice and face loading for me?
I know yous are moving and all that, but I was bitching on IRC, and wasn't really making a big issue out of it, bubs just got a bit smart and made this post

bubbles

Look lads, the Admin board is not the place for idle personal insults, you're not doing this Community any good with that. Take it private lads. You of all people should know better Bard.

Bard

Accessing www.boards.ie/funneh/ doesn't require the server to send SQL requests to a fairly large database, OJ. Plus there's the fact that www.boards.ie/funneh/ is a very small text-only page and most forum or thread pages are quite large in comparison.

yellum

Very true Bubbles, I actually didn't notice a slowdown

Bard

must try harder, bubbles :rolleyes:

bubbles

Dunno what you're talking about :rolleyes:

regi

Its all about mysql getting lagged to bits... hopefully, we're going to do a few things these week to sort that out until we move.

regi

Gordon

Hehehe drinking much coffee on your forum bub?

amp

until we move.

Y'know, if boards.ie keeps up this travelling habit it'll end up as a hate figure discussed on Humanities.


HAHAHAAHHAHAHAHA!!!

HA!...


ahhhhh...


Well it was funny in my head.

Cloud

You may have noticed a distinct improvement in speed in the past few minutes - we've had to remove the happy little "new post" stars from the DHTML menu but I think you'll agree it is worth it. The menu is now regenerated daily, not every time you load a page.

Thanks for the help Regi,

John.
--

regi

don't thank me, you did all the work cloud

I need an administrator backslapping graphic...

Bard

Cloud: we've had to remove the happy little "new post" stars from the DHTML


er./... you seem to have removed the "Subbed" menu for subscribed forums as well.

pity, - t'was a handy one...

Typedef

gentoo-mobile samba # traceroute www.boards.ie
traceroute to www.boards.ie (195.218.115.65), 30 hops max 40 byte packets
1 10.0.0.30 (10.0.0.30) 0.990 ms 0.581 ms 0.499 ms
2 virtual.bas1.dbn.dublin.eircom.net (159.134.155.4) 45.156 ms 47.274 ms 47.965 ms
3 fa0-1.edge1.dbn.dublin.eircom.net (159.134.155.89) 48.411 ms 48.637 ms 48.770 ms
4 pos2-0.btr1.cra.dublin.eircom.net (159.134.155.137) 47.673 ms 48.588 ms 46.834 ms
5 pos0-0-0.core1.thn.london.eircom.net (159.134.191.98) 59.310 ms 61.644 ms 58.573 ms
6 pomegranate.as5388.net (195.66.224.26) 59.025 ms 57.540 ms 60.998 ms
7 marrow.as5388.net (195.92.201.2) 59.442 ms 62.047 ms 58.177 ms
8 ac-4.msl.as5388.net (195.92.196.9) 65.949 ms 66.934 ms 68.360 ms
9 195.92.211.202 (195.92.211.202) 79.416 ms 77.301 ms 76.109 ms
10 irdub-core1-s0-1.nevadatele.com (195.218.126.225) 150.798 ms 151.073 ms 148.729 ms
11 195.218.112.195 (195.218.112.195) 153.193 ms 145.878 ms 144.601 ms
12 195.218.112.3 (195.218.112.3) 149.534 ms 147.171 ms 147.840 ms
13 * * *
14 * * *
15 * * *
16 * * *
17 * * *
18 * *

Mercury_Tilt

This post has been deleted.

Gordon

Is there a Mod board still or am I not a Mod anymore coz people have found me out for the fraud I really am?!

Typedef

Actually I was about to point out that they must have sussed you Gordo, but umm.... it's been nuked EDIT:from the drop down list that is.

Gordon

Jeez is it that obvious!

hyuk hyuk hyuk I see it...

leeroybrown

The Private forums have not re-appeared in the DHTML menu while logged in.

Just stays blank with no forums present.

regi

Ok, lemme explain what we've done.

The dhtml menu at the top was being generated *every* time a page was requested from boards. This means it would

- get a list of all forums/sub-forums
- work out if you were allowed to view those forums or not, and if you were, display them
- look at your cookies and check to see if there had been any new posts in *every* single forum since you'd last been on
- look at your subscribed settings and check every subscribed forums

This was adding up to a hideous amount of database time, and it was happening every time someone requested a page (and we serve over 50,000 of those every day). MySQL was running at roughly 88% of cpu time this morning.

What we've done now is change that script to output an HTML file every morning, and then we statically include that page into boards on every page request.

This means we can run it once a day instead of 50,000+ times. It also means that we've temporarily lost some features such as the 'last post' in each forum bit, and the subscribed forum area. We'll replace them shortly with less database-crushing alternatives.

Hopefully, it'll reduce the crawling lag that we've been experiencing lately. Be patient with us, please

DeVore

The question is... has it?

Can the people who reported slowness in the first place confirm or deny that the site is back to its proper speed?

From the traceroutes shown above some of them were having big jumps in the trace so it may or may not be our navigation.
As I said, can anyone confirm or deny a speed difference?

DeV.

Typedef

Actually that does seem faster.

The strange thing is Opera was reporting something like 500 bytes per second throughput earlier today and is reporting 2.4k per second throughput now.

You would think that if it were MySQL munging away that you would get 'no' information while it was readying the page and then you would get the information at the expected 2.4k(give or take), once it had read all the pertinent information from the DB.

Perhaps it is simply the time of day?
--shrug.

richindub2

Much faster today than it has been for the last few days for me at any rate (im on eircom in dublin).

Mercury_Tilt

This post has been deleted.

dahamsta

Cloud, here's an idea: How about writing a js file to disk for each user when they start their session, complete with the pretty little stars? I know there's 5,000+ users here, but how many browse at one time? If you have a pretty stringent cleanup routine, people should still be able to get their pretty stars, but you'd only have the extra overhead once per session. You could name the js files according to numerical userid.

In the long term, it should be possible to allow users to clean all the cruft out of their navbars with a separate table in the database. So I wouldn't have to see Sport and Games and all that other chuff if I didn't want to. Wouldn't this be a nice simple project to hand off to Hack Attack, get them started? Watching them mutter at each other about tags and how much they're worth is starting to get embarrassing.

adam

Dustaz

Still seems slow to me. Looks like a connection thing tho.

Tracing route to www.boards.ie [195.218.115.65]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <10 ms <10 ms 10 ms 192.168.1.1
2 10 ms 20 ms 11 ms c104-1.bas1.prp.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.104.1
]
3 10 ms 20 ms 20 ms fa0-0.edge1.prp.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.155.9
7]
4 11 ms 20 ms 20 ms pos1-0.btr1.cra.dublin.eircom.net [159.134.155.1
45]
5 20 ms 30 ms 30 ms pos0-0-0.core1.thn.london.eircom.net [159.134.19
1.98]
6 20 ms 30 ms 30 ms pomegranate.as5388.net [195.66.224.26]
7 20 ms 30 ms 30 ms marrow.as5388.net [195.92.201.2]
8 30 ms 40 ms 30 ms ac-4.msl.as5388.net [195.92.196.9]
9 110 ms 121 ms 120 ms 195.92.211.202
10 110 ms 120 ms 120 ms irdub-core1-s0-1.nevadatele.com [195.218.126.225
]
11 111 ms 120 ms 110 ms 195.218.112.194
12 110 ms 120 ms 120 ms 195.218.112.3
13 110 ms 121 ms 120 ms troll.boards.ie [195.218.115.65]

Trace complete.

C:\>

jaggeh

list of private forums and mod forum is also missing from the links.

byte

Microsoft Windows 2000 [Version 5.00.2195]
(C) Copyright 1985-2000 Microsoft Corp.

C:\>tracert www.boards.ie

Tracing route to www.boards.ie [195.218.115.65]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 180 ms 200 ms 181 ms quar226.esatclear.ie [194.145.128.226]
2 180 ms 181 ms 200 ms hades.esatclear.ie [194.145.128.254]
3 181 ms 200 ms 180 ms vlan10.rt001.bmt.esat-x.com [193.120.57.41]
4 200 ms 210 ms 181 ms ge1-0.core002.bmt.esat.net [193.95.140.2]
5 180 ms * 180 ms pos2-1.core002.cwt.esat-x.com [193.95.131.21]
6 200 ms 200 ms 180 ms pos2-0.br001.inex.esat.net [193.120.59.26]
7 180 ms 200 ms 181 ms irdub-inex.global-vpn.net [193.1.208.198]
8 181 ms 240 ms 200 ms 195.218.126.161
9 190 ms 201 ms 210 ms 195.218.112.194
10 190 ms 201 ms 200 ms 195.218.112.3
11 220 ms 221 ms 200 ms troll.boards.ie [195.218.115.65]

Trace complete.

C:\>

Not going any faster for me unfortunately.

Lucifer

doesnt seem to be any faster to me most of the time mostly i get about 500B/s, and sometimes about 2KB/s, compared to about 20KB/s on other sites :(:(

mayhem#

Originally posted by Cloud
You may have noticed a distinct improvement in speed in the past few minutes - we've had to remove the happy little "new post" stars from the DHTML menu but I think you'll agree it is worth it. The menu is now regenerated daily, not every time you load a page.

Thanks for the help Regi,

John.
--

Personally I think that's the worst thing you have done but I'm feeling benevolent so I'll go along with it ;-))
Boards is nice and fast on this side, never noticed any slowdowns....

Lenny

Yea I am having the same problem like Lucifer..
Though the site has improoved a *little* right now.. things are streaming in at a fast 1.1kb/s
I'll reply again later with the suitation.

Beruthiel

I confirm that it is faster today than it has been in ages,
I miss the sub menu and little * though (see what happens when you spoil us!)

LoBo

I second Dahamsta's idea. Alternatively, at the start of each day you could update each users list of subscribed forums? Then refer to this alone for the subbed drop down - rather than get the latest list in real time from the database. I'd much rather have my list of subbed forums updated once per day rather than not have them at all - they rarely change

Kali

Is the search function disabled because of this slowness then?

Borzoi

While each individual page may be faster to load without the * function, I have to load a pages, to check if there is new messages in a particular forum, instead of running the cursor along ther dropdowns. As a result more unnecessary page loads, and slowness, but by a different route

Bard

Originally posted by jaggeh
list of private forums and mod forum is also missing from the links.

Presumably this is because having these features on the menu causes database access.

(it'd have to access the DB to determine which of the links you're allowed see - i.e.: only members of the private forums would get links to them and only mods would get the mod forum link)

these can still be accessed at www.boards.ie/vbulletin

leeroybrown

Its nice to see a bit of speed back into the Boards.ie life.

I think I'd live with no *'s and Subbed Links if the SQL server isn't lagged.

At least its a nice accolade to lag out a MySQL server.

seamus

we've we've got got double double vision vision :D

Hehe the menus are being produced twice, one over the other, one offset about 2px to the right.

Any chance you could generate the *'s and the name of the last posters for the file in the mornings, just for us who leave boards at night and look at it in the mornings?