Why are the number of road deaths so high in North Eastern counties?

cournioni

I've only really taken notice of this recently on the road signs entering neighbouring counties daily. The number of deaths in Cavan, Monaghan, Meath and Louth are all above the 70 mark it seems. I asked one of my friends how high they were in the more southern counties like Waterford and Tipperary and so on and he said some of them were below 10.

I found this quite disturbing especially after a man was killed on his motorbike outside my house last Sunday. Is there anything wrong with our roads or is it the people on them?

DMC

I think it is down to the type of roads we have.

The N1, N2, N3 and N4 run through the counties, and really they are not the best main national roads in the country. Each road has several blackspots... Julianstown and that place just north of Dundalk on the N1, Slane Bridge and anywhere around Collon on the N2, a fast bend just off a straight heading north of Dunshaughlin (I think there are 10 crosses within 100 metres there) and Lavey cross on the N3.... need I go on.

Its sad, really sad, and the effect is the North East young motorist is completely priced out of driving from an early age.

What can be done to prevent the carnage?? More speed cameras (that work) ??

Mr White

Northern drivers.

cournioni

Originally posted by DMC
What can be done to prevent the carnage?? More speed cameras (that work) ??

Yeah, that would be one solution. I think that the county councils are to blame for alot of the accidents, especially here in Cavan. They filled in all the potholes, and they are happy. But what they haven't done alot of the time is even out the road and widen them enough.

That man that was killed the other day hit a bump in the road and was flung off his bike. Now he himself was partially to blame for this because he was doing at least 80 mph on a country road. But the fact that the road was so bumpy was a huge factor in him crashing. There are at least twenty severe bumps on that road. The road was only tarred over this summer and there is no problems with the surface. But the least they could do was even it out. I'm sick and tired of those "shovel leaners" who sit around and are satisfied with their "job well done". Something has to be done about it NOW.

mike65

Porna, if you're talking about those "Killed in the last 4 years" signs, trust me no county down here has less than 10 on them, Waterford is 45, in fact thats about the average around the south-east. However its certainly true the north-east has a higher death rate, and the roads are one factor no question but ppl from Norn iron are
another, as they fly across the border still with thier brains in NI but on ROI roads, they forget how bad things are!

Mike.

Dr. Dre

Originally posted by Mr White
Northern drivers.

I agree, as soon as they pass the Carrickdale Hotel, it's foot down all the way. Tailgating, speeding, cutting up traffic etc..

LFCFan

IMHO Northern Drivers account for a lot of the carnage on North Eastern Roads. I've seen it happen twice where a Northern Reg car has caused an accident. If I've seen 2 incidents myself there are bound to be many more. They are too used to decent roads and the Penalty Points system up the North so when they get down here, No.1, they forget we have **** roads and No.2, they know they won't get any points on their license so put the foot down.

Another reason is the high amounts of traffic on some very shoddy roads. The N2 is a joke. The sooner the Ashbourne by-pass is built the better. My family home is on the Kilmoon-Duleek road and 2 nights ago yet another car careered into our garden, destroying the place. And yet again it was because of a driver losing control on a dangerous bend. We have demanded something to be done by the council for years as this is now the 6th accident right there. Twice into our garden, once next door, twice across the road, once on the road in front of the house and once into the field beside us. It's only a matter of time before someone is killed but the council refuse to lift a finger to do anything. Assholes, the lot of them.

Mr White

There must be a correlation between high insurance rates in Louth and northern drivers.Insurance companies use exact risk formulae and probably have this as a factor.

Northerners should compensate Louth drivers by paying a toll.

DMC

(I had this on the Motors board too...)

This from the front page of the local rag, The Meath Chronicle....

http://www.unison.ie/meath_chronicl...7&issue_id=8181

Vandals Manage To Put Garda Speed Cameras Out Of Action

"TWO speed detection cameras on either side of Dunshaughlin have been put out of action after being attacked by vandals.

The lens of one camera was sprayed with aerosol paint and the other lens was damaged, rendering them inoperable. The vandals’ action has been roundly condemned in the village but particularly by public representatives and the Gardai.

Councillor Oliver Brooks said that he was extremely disappointed that the cameras had been attacked. “Anybody who knows the village will realise the volumes of traffic going through all day every day. I work on both sides of the street and it can often take 10 to 15 minutes to get across to the other side,” he said.

“These cameras are essential to the people who live here because at the very least they act as a deterrent to people who are speeding. This is a very dangerous place and I can only hope that they will be restored as soon as possible,” he added.

Colr. Brooks said that he would be raising the matter with the authorities to see about having the cameras repaired and restored. “In the meantime, I condemn this act of vandalism - it could put people’s lives in danger.”

Garda Superintendent Pat Lambe, Ashbourne, said that the attack on the cameras “shows a complete disrespect for the law.”

He said: “They were put there for the very good reason that the people of that area can expect to go about their business without having to run the gauntlet from speeding drivers. It certainly shows a certain amount of contempt for what the Gardai are trying to do. Do these people not realise that their own families could become victims of road accidents through speeding? There has been a number of accidents in this area and everyone here knows the dangers involved,” said Supt. Lambe."



So the haven't heard of meths then? Daft......

Puca

Yep those Northern shower of w*****s seriously contribute to the amount of accidents in the North East, what I would like to know is what has happened to the bill with signed with former goverment in the North were by, northern drivers who comitted offences down here, had to pay the fines and the like that went with them and vice versa, is this agreement been enforced or has that gone out the window now, like the Northern agrrement. Or does driving and the fines associated with it now depend on Trimbles demand for IRA disbandment.....

cournioni

Originally posted by DMC
(I had this on the Motors board too...)

This from the front page of the local rag, The Meath Chronicle....

http://www.unison.ie/meath_chronicl...7&issue_id=8181

Vandals Manage To Put Garda Speed Cameras Out Of Action

"TWO speed detection cameras on either side of Dunshaughlin have been put out of action after being attacked by vandals.

The lens of one camera was sprayed with aerosol paint and the other lens was damaged, rendering them inoperable. The vandals’ action has been roundly condemned in the village but particularly by public representatives and the Gardai.

Councillor Oliver Brooks said that he was extremely disappointed that the cameras had been attacked. “Anybody who knows the village will realise the volumes of traffic going through all day every day. I work on both sides of the street and it can often take 10 to 15 minutes to get across to the other side,” he said.

“These cameras are essential to the people who live here because at the very least they act as a deterrent to people who are speeding. This is a very dangerous place and I can only hope that they will be restored as soon as possible,” he added.

Colr. Brooks said that he would be raising the matter with the authorities to see about having the cameras repaired and restored. “In the meantime, I condemn this act of vandalism - it could put people’s lives in danger.”

Garda Superintendent Pat Lambe, Ashbourne, said that the attack on the cameras “shows a complete disrespect for the law.”

He said: “They were put there for the very good reason that the people of that area can expect to go about their business without having to run the gauntlet from speeding drivers. It certainly shows a certain amount of contempt for what the Gardai are trying to do. Do these people not realise that their own families could become victims of road accidents through speeding? There has been a number of accidents in this area and everyone here knows the dangers involved,” said Supt. Lambe."



So the haven't heard of meths then? Daft......

Yeah I've noticed that for some time now. The cameras weren't even up three months and they were vandilised. Some people have little to be doing. :mad:

Topcat.

Sorry to say it but I have to, those norther drivers with out almost any exception are a bunch of raving inconsiderate arseholes, I come from the south east and have never seen the like of the lunacy as i have seen on the roads of louth since i moved here permanently five years ago.

the most frightening has to have been on the sunday Armagh replayed Sligo in Navan, I was at the match and drove home towards Dundalk and witness 9 near accidents due to norther drivers taking unreal chances, the most memorable being a honda integra overtaking four cars on the bad bends before Collon with the bad bumps on them, this was truely the biggest arsehole of all time, I reported the incident to the Gardai as I was so enraged by this norther driver taking his life and mine in his hands but was told there was little the could do about it,

the best part of this story is taht most of the looneys that past me were at the lights at xerox in Dundalk when i got there so they made up no time advantage for all their risk taking,

this is why louth pays such a loading on car insurance, i travel to dublin every day and i estimate that 80% of all the accidents i see involve a nothern reged car, arseholes, just shoot them off the road at the carrickdale

Mr White

I reported the incident to the Gardai as I was so enraged by this norther driver taking his life and mine in his hands but was told there was little the could do about it,

Do the guards enforce the traffic laws at all?They don't seem to be very motivated.

In the US,I remember strict enforcement by traffic cops(I was ticketed three times in Manhattan for breaking red lights,and it was borderline each time).Certain states round Washington DC have a stringent reputation,with some county's revenue coming exclusively from traffic fines.

The guards are absentee in comparison.I saw one trying to work a radar gun out of the window of his car,with a hapless grin on his face.They're pathetic,and contribute to road deaths.

If northerners weren't on the roads in Louth hundreds of people would still be alive.They should be banned.

cournioni

I agree with Mr White. The guards in this country are bloody useless. I get the impression that they are afraid to pull over and northern registered cars for whatever reason I don't know. As a matter of fact I don't think I've ever seen any northern cars pulled over in the south. I live 14 miles from the border and there are plenty of northern cars around my area (I'm sure alot of you know what I'm talking about). And more than 50% of the time they are breaking the speed limits, tail gating ... you name it. Yet I've seen people from the south get pulled over for marginally breaking the limit. I also read somewhere today that some guards didn't have a clue on how to deploy this points system that is out. I really do think we have the most incompetant police in Europe.

cournioni

As a matter of interest... does the new penalty points system in the Republic apply to the Northern drivers that come down here?

Mr White

No.They're working on it apparently.

cournioni

Two crashes in town at the weekend. Both of them involved Northern drivers with locals, one was my cousin. Both Northern drivers were at fault.

My cousin is 5 months pregnant and the northern car came across the road on a bend just before you come into the town travelling 55 miles per hour out of town. My cousin had pulled in as far as she could on her side of the road but she couldn't avoid the other car hitting hers with full force on the drivers side of the vehicle.

Another was one of my friends who was travelling down a narrow country road when a northern car was speeding down the road at about 60 mph. On the right hand side of the road and ripped the whole front right hand side of my friends car off (Wheel, panels and door). When the Gardai questioned the Northern guy he said that they both were at fault and that my friends car was moved off the road a minute after the accident to let traffic past. SUCH BULLSHÍT!. The car was knocked off the road by the Northern one.