NICE campaign - what they are spending

pencil

Interesting to note (IMHO) that IBEC are joint first on spending to promoting a YES vote (€500,000). You'd almost begin to think that they believe that there is something in it for them!

Although, this and their recent statement, "that next years wage increases should be less than the rate of inflation" (An unashamed Orwellian call for - 'Rich not rich enough, less well off must be squeezed more'), makes me very very uneasy.

I'm getting a unnerving cold shiver up the spine.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/eu/story/0,7369,812515,00.html


How they line up - and what they are spending

Yes camp


Fianna Fail Bertie Ahern's party, spending €500,000

Progressive Democrats FF's coalition partner, €125,000

IBEC Employers' group, advertising heavily, €500,000

Irish Alliance for Europe Voluntary body headed by academic Brigid Laffan, €100,000

Irish Congress of Trade Unions Leaflets paid for by individual unions

Irish Farmers' Association €150,000, and writing to all 85,000 members

edited - spelling

daveirl

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Meh

Originally posted by pencil
http://www.guardian.co.uk/eu/story/0,7369,812515,00.html

Interesting article, thanks for the link. Is there a similar list of the No organizations and their spending?

Hobbes

They are probably spending that because a lot of lazy ****s wouldn't get off their asses for the first referrendum and actually read up on it.

PH01

Originally posted by Meh
Interesting article, thanks for the link. Is there a similar list of the No organizations and their spending?

There was an article on this in the Irish Times a few weeks ago. The 'No' camp are spending a fraction as to what the 'Yes' side is spending. Now how big that fraction is I don't know, but it is easily available to the public.

And they can spend as much money as they want as long as it isn't the Government's money.

bonkey

Originally posted by pencil
Interesting to note (IMHO) that IBEC are joint first on spending to promoting a YES vote (€500,000).

And is there something wrong with this?

You'd almost begin to think that they believe that there is something in it for them!

Ohhh - here's a new one. IBEC are out to shaft us. Vote No cause IBEC says to vote Yes. Again.

I notice, by the way, that everyone who has a dig at IBEC is silently avoiding to focus on the fact that the major EMPLOYEE representative groups (like the Trade Unions) are mostly in favour of a Yes vote as well.

So if IBEC are voting yes because it allows them to shaft the workers, what the hell are the Unions urging a yes vote for as well?

jc

daveirl

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pencil

Originally posted by bonkey


Ohhh - here's a new one. IBEC are out to shaft us. Vote No cause IBEC says to vote Yes.

How else would you interpret their recent statement???????

"next years wage increases should be less than the rate of inflation" (An unashamed Orwellian call for - 'Rich not rich enough, less well off must be squeezed more'). Do you need it in 20ft neon letters?

(Please ignore above statement, if Daddy owns a big sweatshop, and those pesky employees who want a minimum living wage, are dashing your hopes for a new 4x4 for Christmas)

I'm not saying vote no because IBEC say vote yes, I'm saying that their motives should be questioned.

After their recent press releases -
Straight out, I don't belief they (IBEC) have my interests at heart (this is plain to see f.f.s). I don't trust them, every statement from them rises suspicion in me. Pressure/lobby groups by their very nature, have there own interests at heart 99.999% of the time. They should be watched.

So if IBEC are voting yes because it allows them to shaft the workers, what the hell are the Unions urging a yes vote for as well?
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You have me, I have been trying to fathom this one out for months, but can't. Especially in light of the government application of the 7 year immigration rule (it out of sync with the rest of Europe & will put the average Irish worker/wages under undo pressure).

I would have thought that the Unions would have insisted that we open our borders at the same time as the rest of Europe, so that the immigration of cheap workers would have been absorbed over the wider population. All us mortgage paying Irish workers are too expensive for IBEC, they are licking their lips at the thought of replacing a lot of us with cheap workers who haven't monetarily bought in to this economy & it's crazy inflation levels.

bonkey

Originally posted by pencil
How else would you interpret their recent statement???????

"next years wage increases should be less than the rate of inflation" (An unashamed Orwellian call for - 'Rich not rich enough, less well off must be squeezed more'). Do you need it in 20ft neon letters?

Well lets see. They could just be saying that wage increases have resulted in massive increases in spending which have been a key factor contributing to the large inflation witnessed.

Given that our ties with the Euro diminish the number of ways in which we can control our economy, they could just be calling for a measure which is withing our control which will have an impact on spending and which will, in theory, have an impact on inflation.

I mean - there is also talk about PAYE taxation increases to achieve a similar effect - to take money out of the pocket of the man on the street.

No, I dont need it in 20ft neon letters. Its already clear enough to me that the issue isnt as simple as you might like to make it out, and that is pretty much all I need to see to know that this invalidates the point.

jc

dathi1

Ohhh - here's a new one. IBEC are out to shaft us. Vote No cause IBEC says to vote Yes. Again.

IBEC: Cheap labour. From 01/01/04 cowen gave the go ahead for exclusive uncontrolled immigration from the new member states to Ireland. read here

So if IBEC are voting yes because it allows them to shaft the workers, what the hell are the Unions urging a yes vote for as well?

Union bosses will do very well out of a cheap labour influx as well with an increase in subs and power. Also their Labour affiliates stand to get comfortable new seats in the new Federal Europe with Mercs thrown in as well.

No to Duetchland uber alles. No POWER DOWNGRADE for Ireland and the small states No to Nice on saturday.

Bruton on Nice

bertiebowl

No to Duetchland uber alles.

Er, isn't it true that the Nazis that that No to Nice campaigner was hanging out with signing "Deutchland uber alles"?

The banned verse of the national anthem?

Isn't this a little ironic then that the Nazis singing Deutchland uber alles while asking their irish collegues to vote no?

Can we infer something there?

pencil

Originally posted by bonkey
Well lets see. They could just be saying that wage increases have resulted in massive increases in spending which have been a key factor contributing to the large inflation witnessed.

.....egg - chicken.....chicken - egg...... ;-)

Given that our ties with the Euro diminish the number of ways in which we can control our economy, they could just be calling for a measure which is withing our control which will have an impact on spending and which will, in theory, have an impact on inflation.

I mean - there is also talk about PAYE taxation increases to achieve a similar effect - to take money out of the pocket of the man on the street.

IBEC SHOULD have asked for wage increases that are in line with inflation not above or below, it would have been more apt of them to target profiteering than the man on the street, greed has got the better of them.

No, I dont need it in 20ft neon letters.

Didn't mean to offend, probably did, sorry.

Its already clear enough to me that the issue isnt as simple as you might like to make it out, and that is pretty much all I need to see to know that this invalidates the point.
jc [/B]

Your entitled to your opinion. But asking an entire country of workers to take a actual wage cut to aid industry seems a bit 'Irish' to me.

bonkey

Originally posted by pencil
Your entitled to your opinion. But asking an entire country of workers to take a actual wage cut to aid industry seems a bit 'Irish' to me.

Well arguably it was giving them too much of a pay raise that put us in this place to begin with.

Also, if given the choice of everyone agreeing to a small pay cut in preference to potentially thousands of jobs lost from collapsing industries, I know where I'd put my choice.

jc

Biffa Bacon

It costs next to nothing to win a referendum. All you need is better arguments than the other side. This is why the Yes camp is winning.

Slutmonkey57b

Originally posted by pencil
.....egg - chicken.....chicken - egg...... ;-)

Hands up who knows nothing about anything, then.

dahamsta

It costs next to nothing to win a referendum. All you need is better arguments than the other side. This is why the Yes camp is winning.

Dear Marketing and Advertising executives of the world,

Apparently, all we need to succeed in business and in life is a better argument, and possibly a better product and/or service. Your services are no longer required. Please collect your personal belongs and wait for a security guard to escort you from the building.

Have a nice day,
The Management

adam

Originally posted by dahamsta
It costs next to nothing to win a referendum. All you need is better arguments than the other side. This is why the Yes camp is winning.

Dear Marketing and Advertising executives of the world,

Apparently, all we need to succeed in business and in life is a better argument, and possibly a better product and/or service. Your services are no longer required. Please collect your personal belongs and wait for a security guard to escort you from the building.

Have a nice day,
The Management

adam

Hmmm, drifting slightly OT but the above is debateable.
I turn on the TV and there is the best marketing campaign you could see for AIB, with very little from BOI, and they are not wiping the floor with them.
My own view on the governments arguments for Nice was that as politicians , if they didn't believe it was going to do more good for the country than bad thenit would be suicide for them-especially if only half what the no side were saying happens.
Clearly the electorate agreed.
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