IRA rejects Blair's "unrealisable" demands

daveirl

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My reading of the Republican point of view is that they are not willing to decommission whilst there is still a heavy visible British military presence in places like south Armagh etc.

Like it or not if there was a vote in the morning, the DUP and Sinn Féin vote would rise at the expense of the UUP and the SDLP respectively.

Now since Sinn Féin's mandate includes a huge proportion of people who do not like the PSNI and consider it to be the R.U.C re-named and most of the same voters feel intimidated by the British military presence-The IRA are hardly likely to disband.
If you think 8 years is a long time it's only a blink of an eye in this complicated conflict.

I'm of the view that, the assembly was brought down to allow David Trimble some lee way , ie; that he wouldn't get as much of a trampling at the polls next May by the DUP.
They will anyway. With the DUP and Sinn Féin being the two biggest parties after the next elections it's going to be interesting.
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Slutmonkey57b

The republican point of view is that having signed up to a peaceful democratic agreement requiring the renounciation of violence, the decommisioning of arms, the commitment to higher moral standards, the re-engineering of the police force, the removal of troops from the streets, and the equal representation in a devolved parliament;
They shouldn't have to hold up any part of the bargain that they're expected to, and should be allowed to continue beating and shooting people while running large criminal enterprises on both sides of the border.

It's pretty simple.

Originally posted by Slutmonkey57b
The republican point of view is that having signed up to a peaceful democratic agreement requiring the renounciation of violence, the decommisioning of arms, the commitment to higher moral standards, the re-engineering of the police force, the removal of troops from the streets, and the equal representation in a devolved parliament;
They shouldn't have to hold up any part of the bargain that they're expected to, and should be allowed to continue beating and shooting people while running large criminal enterprises on both sides of the border.

It's pretty simple.

Point taken-But for a change in that situation to happen , the Sinn Féin vote would have to fall.
The opposite is happening and why? Obviously because, those that vote for them feel they deliver a clearer message that something is wrong than if they voted for the SDLP.
Thats simple also.
Since Sinn Féin and the IRA aren't exactly estranged and voters know this, clearly while that support is there, theres going to be no significant change in how the IRA perform.

Addressing the reasons for this, with the divide in the north would not be the job I would like to have, particularily when addressing one side disaffects the other.
Now theres nothing simple about that.
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Samson

Originally posted by Slutmonkey57b
...should be allowed to continue beating and shooting people...

Punishment beatings and shootings have long been a part of life in the six counties, it was done as part of the IRA community policing role.
The main reason this was the case, and continues to be, is that the RUC were never an acceptable police force to the majority in republican areas.
A few simple cosmetic changes cannot make the police acceptable to a community overnight.

The scumbags/car thieves/drug dealers etc. have to be dealt with and the majority of the community were/are happy for the IRA to act in a policing and judicial role.

daveirl

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picasso

Originally posted by Samson
The scumbags/car thieves/drug dealers etc. have to be dealt with and the majority of the community were/are happy for the IRA to act in a policing and judicial role.

...and of course, the people who happen to brush against the local RA man in the pub, and maybe spill some of his pint , they have to be DEALT with too , don't they?! Or what about the guy who gets lucky with some girl one night, only to discover that she's the main lady for the local provo thug - its only right that he's dealth with too, isn't it?!

These are common examples of justification for punishment beatings, and thats what happens when you let these guys become judge and jury.

So i'm sorry, I can't even slightly agree with the respect that you give these thugs as upholders of law in the community...but...

...is anyone else wondering - where has all this come from?
Week one , unionists take a hard line against the agreement

Week 2 , spectacular break in at stormont , to find very little ( certainly less than the bugging of Sinn Fein that took place DURING the original talks)

Week3 , very little mention of the spy ring , everyone has forgotten about that , and is only interested in discussing disbandment

anyone else find this odd?

Slutmonkey57b

Not really - the story as it "broke" on the news is really very old news you're forgetting. The actual events happened almost a year ago, and Sinn Fein were officially warned about all of this and the consequences in June. What is happening now is the final public showing of dirty linen prior to something being done about it. The writing has been on the wall for about a year about this event, and the consequences, therefore the politicians are now discussing the solutions.

originally posted by Samson The scumbags/car thieves/drug dealers etc. have to be dealt with and the majority of the community were/are happy for the IRA to act in a policing and judicial role.

That's an example of just how good SF are at public relations. It's sick and perverted but damn they're good.

NB: the IRA do not act as the "police" "protecting" the community.
They act as "terrorists" "terrorising" the community, so that nobody feels the need to use the actual police to, for example, inform on the terrorists. Get it into your head, the republican movement has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with psycopaths and crime. Even the Real IRA have admitted it for fu.cks sake.

Mercury_Tilt

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daveirl

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Mercury_Tilt

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swiss

Okay, to stop this descending into furthur flamage, I'm going to temporarily lock this thread.

When this is reopened, I expect civil exchanges from both sides, and no comments such as

"You're talking ****e"

or any derivative thereof.

Locked.

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