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Setting up a Compsoc
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02-11-2002 12:37am#1weh
Currently at ITT we have no compsoc, so I went enquiring about one..they told me the interest was there so that If I wanted to I could set up one if I approached them with an appropriate plan.
Right..I'd like to do it, but What exactly should I put down on the plan? Anyone else around here setup one before?
I'd assume getting everyone to create their own webpage would be a pretty obvious one. Any other ideas?
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I'm pretty positive that tallaght had a compsoc at one stage or another (at least upto two years ago anyway).. I suggest you get contact details for the original founders (or the last committee members), they may give you tips/hints on who and whonot to contact within tallaghts csd about network usage/policies/physical placement of machines, and why they closed down (if at all they existed.. although im pretty sure on that one).
Keep in mind that HEANET guidelines must be followed and any restrictions/rules they impose enforced (theres a link to their usage policy off redbricks page anyway)...
btw im presuming ITT is actually tallaght?.. forgive my ignorance if its not 0 -
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Originally posted by damnyanks
Just out of interest but why would someone want a comp soc ?
What exactly does it get a member etc.
We dont have one in our place so just curious
Theres (supposed) to be meetings and tutorials teaching u about linux/etc , you also get a free shell account and webspace which is cool
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Originally posted by Illkillya
compsoc is completely independant of lectures and coursework. If they give extra tutorials, they're very practical tutorials that are directly useful to computer users like myself (unlike zzzz course lectures). Everyone would like some downloading facilities - cd burners or zip disks. We don't even have IRC out in UCC.
Well some extra tutorials would be nice. As for downloading facilities etc? I can't see it happening, people would just end up using them to copy games, download porn etc. Even something like IRC would be pointless, people would just end up wasting there time and no work would get done! Oh if you are looking for CD burners i hear they got some in the Multimedia lab., dunno what's the deal with them though.
I don't mean to sound negative, but i don't realistically see anything happening.Originally posted by Illkillya
I rarely go to lectures,
LOL, how do you pass?!Originally posted by Illkillya
You can't judge the demand for a compsoc by interest in the coursework, in fact I'd say a lot of them did Computer science because they're interested in computers, and when they have to spend a year doing sucky logic design and discrete maths and the likes they're bound to get bored.
I disagree, most people are only as a last resort because they didn't get BIS or Arts. That's not to say, there aren't any smart people here, there are quite a fewOriginally posted by Illkillya
and when they have to spend a year doing sucky logic design and discrete maths and the likes they're bound to get bored.
You're preaching to the unconverted here
Those parts of CS are the most interesting. Ironically they brought in a new relevent Internet module this year which has bored me into not attending! 0 -
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There are CD Burners in the chemistry lab, which is also unfirewalled. But we're not allowed go there and we shouldn't have to. As a computer science student, there are a lot of free files on the internet that I would like to download which would cost a lot to download from home on 56k, from Java SDK to Linux ISO's. Every other college I know about has a compsoc which facilitates downloading. As I said before, the compsoc is independant from coursework; they're providing services that computer science students WANT, not the services that will help us get our highest marks in exams.
IRC access is definitely not pointless, since its point is allowing you to chat on IRC. I don't doubt that it would be a little bit disruptive to studies for some people, but so are class parties, sports, linux's 'talk' feature, and the 30+ linux games that are installed on this computer. Its up to you personally to get your own work done, and its up to you how you pace yourself. As it happens, I have learned more about computers on IRC than anywhere else. You could be surprised at how many ex-computer science students, java experts and IT guys there are on Quakenet. IRC to me personally would not be a hinderance, but the opposite. It would also be an incentive for me to spend longer days at college, since I would have more ways to pass the time.
The point is, these are services that students want, and could be made available easily. There were something like 170 students in my computer science course at the start of first year. They can't ALL be people who failed to get BIS or Arts. Even if 10% of them did computer science because they're genuinely interested in computers, then thats 17 people in my year alone. If theres 10 in second year, 10 in third year, and 10 in fourth year, thats 47 people doing computer science that are interested in computers. Take electrical engineering, and other computer related courses, and also add in the scattered computer nards from other courses and you have a fine healthy compsoc.
NUIG compsoc has 250+ members afaik, they have their own IRC server, a real community, shell accounts, ftp access (I cant even update my websites while I'm at college, if I get a lot of work on a particular day I have to take the whole day off and stay at home) and a feckload of more services I don't know about. I'm sure you can say the same about the compsocs in other major universities. Someone mentioned a gamers soc, games like! How can you call simple background-IRC disruptive when other places have games societies? (as it happens I'm not against games socs either, if you have an interest in games and you want to work in the games industry - why should your college hinder that?)
The main point i'm making is that this is a university, not a monastary. If they wanted to create an all-work environment then theres a lot more they could do. A good compsoc should provide a happy compromise between what we want and what we need. And at the very least it gives us basic services which help our work.
Rask, the reason you can't see anything like this happening I'd say is because nobody cares enough. What we're asking is standard; everywhere else has it. I doubt the administration would have many complaints at all if we were to go about setting up a compsoc as Kairo is doing. My bogman friend set up some farmer society thing very easily and all they do is drink for free The reason I personally won't do anything is because I couldn't be bothered, and I have all I want at home (just that my coursework will suffer since I'll have to stay home to avail of it). 0 -
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Originally posted by seamus
Talking to the UCD netsoc admins, you get more than just a warm fuzzy feeling inside. For example, they get unrestricted access to UCD netsoc's 10 grand worth of Sun Sparc Server (Given to them for free obviously), plus a room full of machines with burners and shedloads of RAM, with complete and unproxied direct access to HEANET via a 10Mb line. mmmmmm........
Yeah there are loads of advantges to being a netsoc admin, its gotten me jobs and lods of contacts. Its great on a CV.
If the Sparc is oe of the E450's that Sun donted to various CompSocs its worth closer to 40,000
I have found that the level of intrest can be quite low though. You need a good social side to things as well, loads of events and nights out.0
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