New Activist Board

Typedef

Conducive with resisting the Irish RIP.

Pertinent thread here : http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=658105#post658105

po0k

I second this motion.

regi

Aye, I'm inclined to agree with this. Who would mod it?

po0k

I would co-mod it with someone.
Have college net access.

Typedef

I'd do it too.

I might also suggest adam beecher (if he is willing) considering experience with ireland offline.
Plus he did start the thread on politics.

vinnyfitz

I suspect that there will be demand for a board on this issue soon but I think the debate shold be let roll on in politics for a little while before a campaign forum gets launched.

po0k

Personally I don't think there's a whole lot to debate, but a discussion might be educational

I first heard of this on the register about an hour ago.
From the short discriptive paragraph given (which, in truth, was hardly comprehensive) I didn't like what was happening. At all.
Tis bad enough I get sms spam, email spam and postal spam, even after requesting to have my name removed from the lists (why don't I get more "free game/app Demo CD" spam?).

They being legally allowed to retain information for 4 years seems perfectly inline with the backwards, regressive attitude our government has towards all things progressive in the context of the internet and IT.

Typedef

They being legally allowed to retain information for 4 years seems perfectly inline with the backwards, regressive attitude our government has towards all things progressive in the context of the internet and IT.

I agree on several different levels. Mostly I find the notion that the government reserves the right to snoop my email backwards in time for up to four years as offensive and quasi-Orwellian.

It is not only in my view an infringement of civil liberties, but a serious move to still more authoritive governance and again I would agree that given the government's less then perfect record vis-a-vis authoritarianism (or accusations thereof), that the last thing Ireland needs or the IT industry needs is a bill like this allowing the government to build a database of your correspondance via digital media.

I personally don't trust the government not to abuse this power and what's more I don't want information like that kept on me, as an Irish citizen. I have comitted no crime, been convicted of no offence and I flatly refuse to be treated as a criminal by my government until such time as I am.

po0k

Is the draft of the bill available anywhere (I assume not)?

dahamsta

I agree with vinnyfitz. If the opposition parties don't protest seriously about this, I think something may need to be done, but for the moment I think people would be better off using their energy talking, writing and emailing their TD's, in that order.

adam

Typedef

I agree that ministers should be mailed etc, I also must point out that once the Bill has passed it will be extremely difficult to repeal, whereas opposition to it's introduction is much more likely to succeed, which is why I would support enunciation of an interest group and a board to exponenciate it on boards.

In any case: mail them.

Taoiseach : taoiseach@taoiseach.gov.ie
Minster for Justice, Equality & Law Reform : minister@justice.ie
Office of the Attorney General : info@ag.irlgov.ie

Edit: I just mailed this off to Bertie & Co

To whom it man concern.

I am mailing to register my extreme avarice to the proposed Irish version of the RIP, pertaining to the State reserving the right to hold information on Mobile phone SMS, faxes, email and web browsing for up to four years on each and every citizen in the State. To my mind this is an extremely draconian and retrograde step and it is a step that must not be introduced.
I must protest this bill's introduction. As an Irish citizen I have commited no crime and I do not believe it is the place of the State to snoop my email, faxes and browsing habits, when I have been convicted of no crime. This is allegedly not a police State in Ireland, so to my mind the entire thrust of this bill is authoritarian and draconian.
The civil liberties of this country are too valuable and too much blood has been spilled to allow introduction of a bill like this willy nilly.
Now Bertie Ahern is my local TD and I must in my capacity as one of his constituants and as an Irish citizen I must vehemently protest that introduction of this bill is an unacceptable infringement of civil liberties and may well be in contravention of the European Convention of Human rights and thus is completely ill advised.

The current government has spoken of turning Ireland into an e-hub and nexus of the internet, but I can tell you for sure as a computer programmer a network administrator, security specialist and generally as a person who is involved in the Information Technology industry that introduction of this bill will be like a noose being tied around development of the internet and consequently internet related and comms related technologies in Ireland. It will discourage people from using comms infrasturctre in general as a means of communiction and will consequently hinder development of the same in this State.

So in conclusion on these two fronts I am writing this, the first and hopefully the last letter of protest on the proposed introduction of this draconian and quasi-repressive bill.

Kind Regards
Brian O'Donoghue

inference of editing is a big brother lie

Dustaz

Originally posted by Typedef
which is why I would support enunciation of an interest group and a board to exponenciate it on boards.

tbh, i think the civil servant who has to sift through your email deserves the support group

Thanx 4 The Fish

Agreed, it could be a contentious issue but at the moment all it is is an idea, policing it and the cost involved would be major concerns for a government who have admitted having to tighten their belts.

Alarmist may be a bit strong a word but when it comes down to it there hasn't been any consultation with any of the bodies that the government will need on board and I think that Spring is a bit ambitious for Mr McDowell even if he tried to steamroll it through and while an activist group along the lines of IOFFL would be a good place to vent collective outrage, until we see what is actually being proposed, it could be a bit pointless.

PS Typedef, Bertie & Co. will probably take your mail more seriously if included with the smattering of long words, there were fewer spelling mistakes

Typedef

You are most likely right.

In any case, I'm hoping the idea of creating a pressure group to resist this measure, never has to get off the ground.

You know what I mean.*

dahamsta

You know what I mean.*

No-one ever does Typie.

adam

Gordon

I second that opinion and or movement tick box here _

Mercury_Tilt

This post has been deleted.

Mr.Applepie

Originally posted by Dustaz
tbh, i think the civil servant who has to sift through your email deserves the support group

Best laugh i've had all week.

Kudos to ol' man dustaz

DapperGent

Originally posted by Mercury_Tilt
As long as information is used for the good....

Am I the only one who is inclined to think like this?

I'm not sure, I'm verging on agreeing with you.

If whatever agency is assigned to use this information only does so to combat fraud/criminal/terrorist activity what's the problem?

Also Tyepdef doesn't avarice mean greed?

Thanx 4 The Fish

Originally posted by Mercury_Tilt
As long as information is used for the good....

Am I the only one who is inclined to think like this?

Looks like it

Typedef

If whatever agency is assigned to use this information only does so to combat fraud/criminal/terrorist activity what's the problem?

Ah yes, from the same great minds that brought you a government induced spending deficit (at a time when the economy was growing at about 5%) we bring you, arbitrary responsible governance.

Oh wait, I am already sitting down.

dahamsta

Not the place to argue this folks.

adam

Trojan

Can the appropriate mod move my post from here:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?s=&threadid=71871
to wherever it should be if not Humanities.

Cheers,
Al.

PS Still have that Typedef guy on ignore (cheers Stephen) - this thread looks pretty funny

dahamsta

Probably better to merge it with the existing thread on Politics. I realise it's a civil rights issue, but all the hoohah at the moment does stem from politics.

adam

regi

I think we should definately develop it further on politics. If we then feel we need an activism forum, we'll post here again! Thread closed for now.