Irishwisp

martinikarl

Irish WISP have released a new €35 a month package

Bandwidth will be 256kb/s down and 128kb/s up.

Because of the overhead created by IP and the VPN, bandwidth will be set at 320 kb/s so as to give a 'real' throughput of 256kb/sec.

A monthly download cap of 12 gig applies to in+out data. If users exceed this, speed will be throttled back to 128kb/sec until the 1st of the month when it will return to normal. Users will never be charged or disconnected for exceeding the cap.

This new product is targeted at household users who spend over €35 a month for dial-up.

Gamers can also use the product as internet games use less than 256kb/s

The normal install fee of €259 applies to new installs.

Irish WISP can be contacted at 295-4585.

Regards,

Karl Martini
karl@irishwisp.net
www.irishwisp.net

MDR

Karl,

Good news Karl I am glad to see you are aiming your products at the mass market. Any plans to do some serious marketing ?

Also before people start wagging their finger and accuse Karl of pimping etc, could we leave it to the mods to appropriately adjust Karls post, to make it boards.ie/IOFFL rules friendily ?

martinikarl

Regarding 'serious marketing'. We're trying to keep costs and thus price down so you won't be seeing billboards with Irish WISP in the near future. Press releases pending.

I try to keep the adjectives to a minimum in order to have the offer considered on it's merits. I'm happy to have the mods change my posts if they are off-side. It's much better than a lenghty flaming session.

Dustaz

Personally im fine with this.

Someones going to report it sooner or later, it might as well be on one relavent thread and factually correct 'from the horses mouth' than 10 different threads full of supposition and hearsay.

Sceptre is the pimping expert here, so ill leave it to his wisdom (Heres that buck... )

zynaps

Nice move, I like the throttle rather than having to suffer the usual cap fear of charging by throughput or service termination

Does this apply to your faster broadband services though?

zynaps

martinikarl

yes, same applies to faster customers. No point in upsetting people.

sceptre

Originally posted by Dustaz
Personally im fine with this.

As am I. Karl's keeping it informative without trying to go on a sales pitch. Obviously it's effectively bumping the thread back up every once in a while but it's keeping it all in one place. The willingness to interact without pimping is another plus (I've said as much in the past). As it's something people will want to know, we might as well have Karl telling us rather than ferreting around for the info ourselves.

spongebob

PM Karl....about the installation cost issue..

M

Da Man

There are a few services that use this monthly cap system, e.g. throttle after some number of Gb's. Doesn't that create a pretty strange usage pattern? What's the point in having users running at 256kb/s at the beginning of the month, and 128kb/s towards the end of the month? It doesn't seem to solve any problems, unless the month starts at different times for different users. Which is possibly how it works?

STaN

Originally posted by Da Man
There are a few services that use this monthly cap system, e.g. throttle after some number of Gb's. Doesn't that create a pretty strange usage pattern? What's the point in having users running at 256kb/s at the beginning of the month, and 128kb/s towards the end of the month? It doesn't seem to solve any problems, unless the month starts at different times for different users. Which is possibly how it works?

No normal user will go near that limit. So it won't affect anything

Da Man

Ok... so why have the cap then?

Serbian

Not everyone is a normal user Da Man

If someone is going over the 12 Gigabyte cap, then they are probably consistently taking a large amount of bandwidth, thus degrading the service for the 'normal' user. That is why the cap exists.

Not all services have them though, it's the choice of the ISP. Personally, I think a reasonable cap (say in the region of.. hmm.. 12 gigabytes?) is a nice idea, as it will suit most people, and prevent people hogging bandwidth with their peer to peer filesharing programs or their ISO's

Da Man

My point, which I'm not going to labour over, is that a cap that applies to calender month usage will only prevent people from hogging the capacity when they reach the cap towards the end of the month. At this time, the service will suddenly start to deliver capacity to the low-volume users so these users will see an improvement in service as the month progresses. A very easy fix is to use a virtual month that starts at a different calender time for different users, or you can implement a variable throttle based on usage trend.

I'm just curious how ISP's implement this, that's all.

zynaps

I suggested something like this a while ago da man.
Noone seemed interested, or maybe I just said it in a really boring way

zynaps

martinikarl

yes, we are looking to up the speed for the same money. We can't make a promise because we're waiting for the backend bandwidth to arrive before we can do it.

Mutant_Fruit

Here's my story so far:
I rang EsatBT a while back as my first choice broadband company, as at that time they were advertising their service as uncapped. However a week or two after that they had the service capped, so i changed my mind pretty quick.

Then i rang irish broadband. They are offering an uncapped service, which is ideal....why buy a ferrari to drive it at 10mph, in case you waste the petrol before the end of the month....
Anyway, i ordered a site test for the following friday....about 6 days after i rang em. However no-one arrived. The next monday i contacted them about this and they told me they had "reached capacity" on their Three Rock transmitter, after previously telling me i'd get a site test done, and if that was successfull i'd have it installed that day!

So they were now out the window. Then i heard of irish wisp. They were further down my list, as at the time they had a small cap. However, since it changed to a 12 gig cap, i reconsidared. I rang up on Monday 19 may, and talked to a very helpfull guy (possibly the same karl thats been on this forum) and i asked for a site test. I gave in my details and was told i'd be contacted within two days. A few days later, no reply from them. So on wednesday i rang again. I was told that i was definately on the list and that i should have been contacted already. So i decided to wait another few days, after being told i'd be definately contacted by Friday.

So on comes saturday, and still no call, so i rang back again, and guess what, they had taken down my home number incorrectly. **phew** crisis over. I'm now told that i'll be contacted on Monday 26th, so hopefully all will go according to plan. Despite the mix-up about the home number i'm fairly happy so far, they didn't get pissed off about me ringing up every few days asking about it, unlike some other companies i had been in contact with.

So thats my two cents, and i'll fill ya'll in about the site test and subsequent installation (providing i pass). Enjoy.

Mutant_Fruit

Just a few questions/requests i just thought of about Irish Wisp:
1) If i originally go for the 256 product, can i easily upgrade to a faster product (like the 1mbps burstable one). If so, what cost is involved? And what exactly does 1mb burstable mean?

2) Is it possible for people with a laptop and a wireless internet card to "hack" into my internet connection if i had to use the "wireless signal into ethernet" option. If so, what steps would have to be taken to stop this. (i know this sounds kinda paranoid but i'd like to know)

3) About the cap, firstly i agree with it being a traffic cap, and not just a downloading cap, as some people are heavy uploaders. However for people who go for the fast option (1mb/sec burstable) i think 12 gigs would be too little. People who go for the faster option would generally be big into downloading and uploading, so therefore an 18+ gig cap would be better suited for that option. And if a 2mpbs option is released, then a bigger cap would be needed again, maybe even uncapped.

4) What do you mean by back-end bandwidth?

martinikarl

1) If i originally go for the 256 product, can i easily upgrade to a faster product (like the 1mbps burstable one). If so, what cost is involved? And what exactly does 1mb burstable mean?

*You can upgrade to a faster product whenever you wish. There are no upgrade fees. Regarding the 1mb product......If and when we upgrade the speed, 256 kb/s customers will slide up to 512 and 512 customers will slide up to 1mb. The prices will remain the same. 'Burstable' means you can run at 1mb but it's not guaranteed, just like the 512 is not guaranteed (but is usually attainable)

2) Is it possible for people with a laptop and a wireless internet card to "hack" into my internet connection if i had to use the "wireless signal into ethernet" option. If so, what steps would have to be taken to stop this. (i know this sounds kinda paranoid but i'd like to know)

*It's not paranoid to want to protect your privacy from hackers. You are no more or less vunerable to hackers if you use the wireless to ethernet converter option. We use a VPN to encrypt data but users are still advised to use firewall software on their computers.

3) About the cap, firstly i agree with it being a traffic cap, and not just a downloading cap, as some people are heavy uploaders. However for people who go for the fast option (1mb/sec burstable) i think 12 gigs would be too little. People who go for the faster option would generally be big into downloading and uploading, so therefore an 18+ gig cap would be better suited for that option. And if a 2mpbs option is released, then a bigger cap would be needed again, maybe even uncapped.

*We're sticking with the cap for the moment. It's 3 times higher than Eircom but we may move it up in the future.

4) What do you mean by back-end bandwidth?

Thats the wholesale bandwidth we need to handle all the customers.

martinikarl

The web site has been upgraded. More content, details on the new product etc.

www.irishwisp.net

spongebob

Dunno what u did to that site Karl, its a tad less clear.

You are now quoting

Price including VAT for your entry level Residential package
Prices EX VAT for your setup fees ....I think. Can you stick the lot on one page Incl Vat in time for your next tactical pimp in here, I may refer persons to it if it acquires a certain clarity of presentation and thought by then.

(BTW congrats on the keen pricing, good ladeen)

M

martinikarl

Muck,

Sorry about the lack of clarity. It's tough to get the web site perfect first go. All our prices include VAT, install fees, rental, everything includes VAT.

Karl

spongebob

Simple

Home page Links to

1. Residential Products
2. Business Products
3. Special Residential Offer Of The Week/Month or whetever aimed at 1 or 2
4. Coverage (which is common to both 1 and 2 I take it)
5. Contact (incl Support, Sales , Pager if mast goes ape****) and finally
6. News PR guff and plans (not vapour but plans)

Dunno about the constructivist/socialist realist phase yiz are going thru now.....

M

bk

Martin, quick question about the following question on your FAQ:

Q. I'm an network engineer, can I run a server?

A. We're engineers too and we knew you'd ask. Considering the bandwidth used by servers and the technical issues it causes, we can't allow you to run any kind of server using our service. We don't provide static or registered IP addresses either. If you don't intend using the service for basic home or home-office use, Irish WISP is not for you

Do you actively block ports, or just don't give a fixed IP?

It is a bit unfortunate, I'd like to run a secure ftp and email server from home, so that I could get at stuff on my home PC while at work. This would use very little bandwidth and the bandwidth shouldn't matter as you have a cap anyway.

This is a normal use of broadband services for technical people with a home-office.

bigpaddy2004

What ever happened to Irishwisp.net????????????

zynaps

Swallowed by the mists of time?

MDR

hum ... god bless them and their pimping ways ...

Dustaz

man, this brings back some memories

(IBTL)

cgarvey

Yup .. but I think that's enough of the flashbacks now!!

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