The Kids

Axe · 24-01-2003 11:28pm

I am certainly not fond of the "Wu-tards", as a friend of mine calls them. They are simply regular pop/dance freaks who have opened up a "Rock" (and i use that word in it's loosest possible sense) branch. The only thing i have to console myself is that, like all trendy fads, this will last roughly 6 months, then we will be free of hoodies, wu-tang jeans, Slipknot and their irritating "music", Linkin Park and their ridiculous rapping FOREVER!! Also, Nirvana might take a proper place in music history, rather than being worshipped by people who probably weren't aware they existed until they became popular again about a year ago.

Slipknot will go the same way as Hearsay, worshipped at the beginning, shot down in flames at the end.

Darkillion · 25-01-2003 6:12pm

at least there is only one album left from them

Axe · 25-01-2003 6:57pm

Yo Angelwhore, read the messages more closely, and you will see that so far only one person (eth0_) has so far refered to these kids as goths, the rest have either preceded it with the word "wannabe" or put the word goth in inverted commas. This would suggest that they DO in fact, know what a goth really is.

Karl Hungus · 25-01-2003 7:01pm

Really?

Originally posted by Pugsley
As bad and annoying as these goth kiddies are...

You were saying?

Axe · 25-01-2003 7:05pm

I do beg your pardon, i meant to say Pugsley, but got confused with eth0_. Upon closer inspection, Pugsley was the person who didn't use inverted commas or the word wannabe. Forgive my mistake.

Karl Hungus · 25-01-2003 7:12pm

Still though, even 'Wannabe' and "Goth" give allusions to the term being used as 'Another word for the same thing' when it comes to dealing with these kids. Which it certainly isn't.

I'm pretty sure NONE of the actualy DO want to be Goth, especially if they actualy knew what goth music was. Because it's almost completely unrelated to most forms of metal.

Just curious, do you know much about Goth at all?

Axe · 25-01-2003 7:19pm

Why yes, as it happens, i am quite friendly with a real goth, and therefore would consider myself to know enough about the subject to get me by. Suffice to say i know enough to not refer to the Slipknot kids as goths, cos they just plain aren't! I myself, have never used the word goth in reference to the kids, coz i know better.

^CwAzY^ · 25-01-2003 7:46pm

What's everyones problem with people who wear slipknot/korn/linkin park hoodies? It's not like they're going around robbing cars, beating people up, breaking into houses.. like a lot of the youth today. Compared to them they are angels.

Axe · 25-01-2003 8:08pm

Oh, come on! We are debating them from a musical point of view, not whether or not they are criminals!

^CwAzY^ · 25-01-2003 10:02pm

Come on they're 12 & 13.
I'm sure they're flattered that they annoy you so much.

Karl Hungus · 25-01-2003 10:08pm

They can go as old as 18, really.

But on the flipside I've seen some serious 14 year old Death Metal fans.

Pigman II · 26-01-2003 6:28pm

Originally posted by AngelWhore
And you've no concept of what 'Goth' is at all?
In which case, listen to these:
Joy Division - Shadow Play

Any questions? [/B]

Yeah, I have one. Do you actually have any concept of what 'goth' is yourself?

Because mentioning Joy Division in connection to goth certainly suggests that you don't.

NeMiSiS · 26-01-2003 8:34pm

Now now.

Define 'Goth' arguments,suck ass. Who gives a **** like?

Highly constructive comment #106

Lots of Love

NeM

Karl Hungus · 26-01-2003 9:13pm

Originally posted by Pigman II
Yeah, I have one. Do you actually have any concept of what 'goth' is yourself?

Because mentioning Joy Division in connection to goth certainly suggests that you don't.

Well done, you've earned a cookie.
Not a very bright cookie, mind you.
But it suits you.

Goth evolved from the Post-Punk scene of the late 70's. Joy Division is clearly one of the most influential bands when it comes to the early goth scene. Simple, really. Of course, seeing as you give no arguement in your first post as to why you'd consider them NOT to be connected to goth, I think I'll ask for that in your next reply.

Darkillion · 26-01-2003 9:51pm

Pigman II · 26-01-2003 10:09pm

Originally posted by AngelWhore
Well done, you've earned a cookie.
Not a very bright cookie, mind you.
But it suits you.

Oh no! A patronising sarcastic internet guy has really cut me to the bone there!

Not really very clever to start a post insulting someone and then claim the moral high ground demanding constructive arguementative points btw.

Originally posted by AngelWhore
Goth evolved from the Post-Punk scene of the late 70's. Joy Division is clearly one of the most influential bands when it comes to the early goth scene. Simple, really. Of course, seeing as you give no arguement in your first post as to why you'd consider them NOT to be connected to goth, I think I'll ask for that in your next reply.

Please! Any incarnation of guitar based music can be connected back to any previous form if you want to be anal enough about it, and clearly you do. You could just as easily credit Leadbelly with influencing modern folk if that's the way you have to categorise everything.

JD might have had an influence on goth but they were not a goth band (or even 'early goth' <- :rolleyes:). As such (and this is my point) telling people who want to find out about the scene to listen to stuff like ShadowPlay is off the mark. It's like telling someone who wanted to find out about grunge to go listen to Cheap Trick or Husker Du. Sure they may have influenced many of the bands who eventually got labeled 'grunge' ... but they aren't grunge. Similarily JD aren't goth.

Now have a cookie yourself. Stick your face in a whole packet if you like.

Darkillion · 26-01-2003 10:25pm

touche

kingconor · 27-01-2003 4:36pm

Ledbelly Rules!! Just listen to Ram Jam by Black Betty, he wrote it!!!

Karl Hungus · 27-01-2003 7:46pm

Originally posted by Pigman II
Please! Any incarnation of guitar based music can be connected back to any previous form if you want to be anal enough about it, and clearly you do. You could just as easily credit Leadbelly with influencing modern folk if that's the way you have to categorise everything.

JD might have had an influence on goth but they were not a goth band (or even 'early goth' <- :rolleyes:). As such (and this is my point) telling people who want to find out about the scene to listen to stuff like ShadowPlay is off the mark. It's like telling someone who wanted to find out about grunge to go listen to Cheap Trick or Husker Du. Sure they may have influenced many of the bands who eventually got labeled 'grunge' ... but they aren't grunge. Similarily JD aren't goth.

No, I'm certainlly not being anal about it.
Joy Division are possibly the MOST influential band when it comes to Goth. And Shadow Play is a song that perfectly emphasizes this. Ian Curtis' vocal style was possibly one of the most profound (Especially at the time) influences, definetly on the likes of Andrew Eldritch, Rozz Williams and so on.

Also, specifically, the bassline to Shadow Play, and the whole guitar style. Clearly a profound influence on what Goth was at the time of the early 80's: deep vocals, deep basslines, and the guitar usually 'Echoing' over it sparsely. A definite blueprint set down by JD.

This is NOT anally backtracking to something that Might have been an influence, this is a DIRECT, and PROFOUND influence.

Karl Hungus · 27-01-2003 7:53pm

And here's something else.

A quick search on google:
http://www.scathe.demon.co.uk/histgoth.htm

Go to the 'Influence' and 'Bands' sections.
This backs up my points perfectly.

domeara01 · 30-01-2003 11:38am

this should be moved to a thread called i k dont know what goth is can you plaese give me a definition please or else called what is goth?

think about it mrs anglewhore.

Don1 · 30-01-2003 12:32pm

Does anybody other than me think that little kids listening to this sh*t is wrong?

And also I don't like the idea of skating being given a bad rep by these muppets. I mean whatever happened to DC, Vans, Quiksilver etc. Cheapo hoodies and crap just looks wrong if you ask me!

-]DCH[-KYE · 30-01-2003 12:38pm

Pornapster is very Scary.

He has a slipknot hoody and plays slipknot all day.

Axe · 30-01-2003 5:30pm

Originally posted by kingconor
Ledbelly Rules!! Just listen to Ram Jam by Black Betty, he wrote it!!!

My God!!! For someone i know to have a touch of intelligence, i never thought you would make such a heineous error as to get those two the wrong way round. Black Betty is performed by Ram Jam, not the other way round!!

Drunk pirate · 30-01-2003 9:04pm

This is getting a little off the piont here.

Crucifix · 31-01-2003 7:41pm

Originally posted by Don1
I mean whatever happened to DC, Vans, Quiksilver etc.

You still vans around. I have a pair myself.
Crucifix

The Reaper · 10-02-2003 3:34pm

aw my god those kids aw they reck my head! where i come form they are every where! AND I DONT EVEN THINK THEY LISTEN TO THE MUSIC THEY ARE WEARING! they are the cheekest buggers and yea cant hit them their so small!:mad: :mad: :mad:

Axe · 10-02-2003 7:59pm

Yea, they annoy my head, they are just regular trendies, ie who listen to dance crap, but they've observed the popularity of rock music, and decided, "Oh, thats a good way to have a load of friends". GRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY ANNOY ME SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Reaper · 11-02-2003 11:45am

Originally posted by Axe
Yea, they annoy my head, they are just regular trendies, ie who listen to dance crap, but they've observed the popularity of rock music, and decided, "Oh, thats a good way to have a load of friends". GRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THEY ANNOY ME SO MUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!

agreement! little muppets from planet pop!

Giblet · 11-02-2003 11:57am

Actually, now I hate elitest fans, just listen to what you want, and shut up about the kids already.

The Kids

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