Apparantly the continuity IRA is anti war.

Barry Aldwell · 02-02-2003 2:12am #1

Source:Sunday Independent (no, I didn't go out in the past hour and demand a copy from an all night garage, my next door neighbour works in the independent, and drops in a copy on his way home)

I'm not typing out the article, but the hatchet weilding "peace activist" Mary Kelly is being honoured in New York by "supporters of the dissident Republican Sinn Fein group, which has links to the continuity IRA."

It's one very good way of killing the anti war protest. Someone says "I'm anti war" and people think "You support the continuity IRA."

daveirl · 02-02-2003 12:26pm

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dathi1 · 02-02-2003 2:01pm

Sure in the Nice Treaty Sinn Féin wanted to defend out neutrality and democracy....

So did Dick Roche and Brian Cowen as a reason to vote yes.....then Biffo + Co give clearance for munitions through Shannon to keep Boston Scientific and Intel etc....I wonder what the Iraqi Child body count quota is on this. 1? 10,000? 100,000?

mike65 · 02-02-2003 3:45pm

...and so the politics board bears witness to another facile post...

Mike.

Cork · 02-02-2003 4:06pm

to keep Boston Scientific and Intel etc...

Of course, we need both to keep these companies and attract more US companies.

The Shannon Peace Grouping need to read Dr. Blix's report which was very damning of Saddam.

I don't see protests in front of Iraqi embasseys. Shane Ross has a very good article on this in Todays Sunday Independant.

There is too much media exposure given to the Peace Troop. They don't represent me and they have absolutely turned me off the Green Party. A Party that I voted for in the last European election.

But I think links to various groupings need to be examined. What organisations are involved in this "Peace" group? This is a legitimate question. I think they should come out and clearly state what organisations they have any link to.

sceptre · 02-02-2003 4:59pm

Originally posted by Cork
But I think links to various groupings need to be examined. What organisations are involved in this "Peace" group? This is a legitimate question. I think they should come out and clearly state what organisations they have any link to.

Easy question to answer. Some are members of the Green party, some are members of the various socialist groups. Some are members of (wait for it) Fianna Fail and Fine Gael. There's at least one in Shannon who's a member of the Green party in the US. That's all the people I know. I assume you just wanted political organisations - pointless going into people who are former or current members of college societies, members of charitable organisations, obvious pinko communists who have GPLed software or people related to the women of Greenham Common. They would tell you if you asked, you know.

:rolleyes:

I don't see protests in front of Iraqi embasseys

You don't get out to Iraqi embassies much do you? There have been numerous protests outside Iraqi embassies for years and years protesting against a lack of human rights. Most are far more organised than teenage girls occupying trees. The protest against human rights violations in Iraq is ongoing - the protest against US actions is more of a "now" thing.

02-02-2003 5:24pm

Now, I've just had a chance to read the article.
Firstly it's co-written by brendan O'connor , not the indo's foremost political correspondent:rolleyes:
From my reading of it,it suggests links to the Real IRA by virtue, of the fact that the vandal in question was awarded a citation at an annual prize giving by Republican Sinn Féin.

she had sent her apoligies, that she couldn't attend due to her committments at the Shannon Peace Camp.
Methinks, she won't be there next year either, now with acriminal record., assuming she's going to have one.

I'd be more concerned at the sheer hypocricy though of an organisation willing to talk of War with the "forces of occupation" in NI and yet be anti War when, theres a possibility, that the U.N might sanction one against Sadam.
Especially considering,all the innocent deaths and casulties at Omagh.

That concern would apply in my case to any Republican willing to publically pro-nounce on a war in the middle East, yet at the same time are un willing to declare a self styled war in NI to be over.
Heres a snippet by the way from the articl:

She was supposed to be one of two female guests at a $750-a-table fund raising dinner in the Astoria world manor hotel on Friday night.The vice president of RSF read out a citation in her honour which received a sustained round of applause from the audience.

mm

Barry Aldwell · 02-02-2003 5:45pm

Originally posted by Man
Firstly it's co-written by brendan O'connor , not the indo's foremost political correspondent

But (part of) it's on the front page, indicating that someone believed it important enough to put it there. Yes, she declined, probably because she doesn't want to be associated with them, but she's associated with them now.

daveirl · 02-02-2003 6:22pm

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Meh · 02-02-2003 6:42pm

Originally posted by daveirl
That woman who did the attack on the plane better be jailed. She's after costing the taxpayer €500,000

Even if this estimate of the damage caused is accurate, why would the taxpayer pay for repairs to a privately owned plane? I'm sure that the owners of the plane have insurance, even if Aer Rianta's insurance doesn't cover it.

While I disagree with her actions, I don't think she should be sent to jail. Locking her up won't do any good -- it'll just make a martyr out of her.

daveirl · 03-02-2003 9:11pm

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sceptre · 03-02-2003 9:44pm

Originally posted by daveirl
The government have said they'll have to pay.

Aer Rianta really should get around to putting up a sign making reference to the 1995 Occupiers Liability Act. Or build a fence out of something stronger than chicken wire. In fairness they're being a bit lax about security around an airport if a crowd of militant Catholics can get in. I'm not trying to deflect attention away from the obvious crime committed but I know I wouldn't want to fly (or fly in) a plane to an airport where terrorists could get in as easily as some militant protesters.

Cork · 03-02-2003 10:01pm

The government have said they'll have to pay. I'm not sure on the details. She is after doing criminal damage so I think she should go to jail. Along with the 5 people today. That would send a message to anyone intending to do it again.

I agree

But security needs big improvement around our airports. Security people need to be armed. I think that people cutting holes in fences and tampering with planes is a warning.

Have we learnt anything since 9/11?

Victor · 03-02-2003 10:15pm

Originally posted by Man
she had sent her apoligies, that she couldn't attend due to her committments at the Shannon Peace Camp.

Isn't she being held on remand?

Originally posted by Cork
But I think links to various groupings need to be examined. What organisations are involved in this "Peace" group? This is a legitimate question. I think they should come out and clearly state what organisations they have any link to.

Oh, isn't there a constitutional guaranttee to freedom of association? On what grounds will they have to "come out"? Cork, can I suggest further enquires into the groups and individuals associated with you beloved FF and members thereof are far more pressing?

Originally posted by daveirl
The government have said they'll have to pay. I'm not sure on the details.

On what basis? What has the government done to require payment? Do you have any evidence of this?

Originally posted by Cork
Security people need to be armed.

This is why we deploy large numbers of armed detectives to airports (when they aren't eating doughnuts). The Airport Police and private security employed by Aer Rianta and others have no need to be armed. What need to happen is for all these guys to do their jobs.

daveirl · 03-02-2003 10:27pm

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Victor · 03-02-2003 10:45pm

Originally posted by daveirl
They're bringing in the Army now!

http://www.rte.ie/news/2003/0203/shannon.html

Gardaí request assistance of army at Shannon
February 3, 2003

(21:01) The Gardaí have confirmed they have requested the assistance of the army in protecting Shannon Airport following this morning's incident in which a US military aircraft was damaged.

They say the request came following a meeting between the Garda Commissioner and senior army officers in Limerick.

Discussions are continuing about how many soldiers will be involved, how they will be deployed, and what their duties will be.

03-02-2003 10:47pm

Gardaí request assistance of army at Shannon

for a moment there i thought they were requesting the assistance of the american troops passing thru shannon.... Probably wouldn't be a good idea, that.

dathi1 · 03-02-2003 11:20pm

All you pro Bertie heads need not worry...Army or no Army the Demo on Feb 15th will be brill.

Palestinian Flags and Irish Tricolours at the ready....No Blood for oil...Justice for Palestine.

mike65 · 03-02-2003 11:26pm

..you forgot "death to America!" :rolleyes:

Mike.

dathi1 · 03-02-2003 11:29pm

no....just no blood for oil and justice for Palestine.

daveirl · 04-02-2003 7:25pm

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Bateman · 05-02-2003 8:05pm

>I thought this was about Iraq??

So you think that bombing the **** out of Iraq will not in any way affect any other Middle Eastern country?
:rolleyes:

Dampsquid · 06-02-2003 11:34am

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Originally posted by daveirl
The government have said they'll have to pay. I'm not sure on the details.

On what basis? What has the government done to require payment? Do you have any evidence of this?

Bertie said it in the Dail. Do you watch the news?

You don't get out to Iraqi embassies much do you? There have been numerous protests outside Iraqi embassies for years and years protesting against a lack of human rights. Most are far more organised than teenage girls occupying trees. The protest against human rights violations in Iraq is ongoing - the protest against US actions is more of a "now" thing.

Just goes to show you that protesting against things like this doesn't work... we need action.

dathi1 · 06-02-2003 11:59am

So you think that bombing the **** out of Iraq will not in any way affect any other Middle Eastern country?

It depends on which part of Cork you're from

06-02-2003 12:09pm

pity they're not protesting against economic sanctions against Iraq, they might find Iraq going back to being one of the most progressive countries in the middle east as they were before the gulf war.

Palestinian Flags and Irish Tricolours at the ready....No Blood for oil...Justice for Palestine.

Justice for palestine? I think u know my feelings on this already. This thread is about the issues with Iraq, though, isn't it?

Victor · 06-02-2003 2:37pm

Originally posted by Dampsquid
Bertie said it in the Dail. Do you watch the news?

Can you point it out here? (Everything said in the Dáil is recorded).

[edit]http://www.irlgov.ie/oireachtas/frame.htm [/edit]

Dampsquid · 06-02-2003 3:13pm

Couldn't find that right now, but this is from the PDs website.

"While this particular stunt has cost the Irish Government an estimated 500,000 in repair costs and prompted concern over security at Shannon, it could have been much more serious with a potential loss of human life had the damaged aircraft attempted to take off."

http://www.progressivedemocrats.ie/news/200301/minihan004.html

Apparantly the continuity IRA is anti war.

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